Guilt Free Railing 16

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The festive special!

As always, all railing welcome, along with good things or humorous asides. No resilience wankery. This is the safe place to let out anything that’s doing your head in.

TBH I don't think young people who have had COVID need a booster. They will have more than enough prior immunity to stave off severe illness, and I doubt they'll care too much about catching what is essentially a cold. By all means offer it to the vulnerable (who could actually benefit from regular boosters), but I don't think the expense of regularly boosting the entire population can be justified given the rapidly diminishing returns. I actually don't think there's even any justifiable reason to restrict the unvaccinated or coerce people into taking vaccines either at this point, as it is clear that even being fully vaccinated and boosted will not stop spread.

@ssd I am going round in circles trying to get my exemption despite an actual letter from my consultant saying he's assessed me as medically exempt. There literally doesn't appear to be a process in place.

Every time I read pro segregation stuff its upsetting, there's enough glee about it in the covid section, I wish I didn't have to read it on the railing thread.

ssd - completely agree. I don't have kids, but i have nephews late teens / early twenties, and staff who are early twenties, and they are the ones who have suffered most through this whole sh*tshow. They're missing out on all the mindless, reckless fun that they won't be able to get back

I think restricting unvaccinated is a slippery slope.

People are allowed personal choice. People who are obese, type 2 diabetic, smokers and alcoholics and drug users are a bigger permanent strain on the NHS. But how many folk slagging off the unvaccinated are overweight and have made no effort to reduce their risk from that since it was clear that it was a significant factor in hospitalisations from covid?

Im not saying it's easy, but they are just as likely as an unvaccinated person to strain the NHS but no-one is saying they are banned from going out and they in many cases are also making a choice.

I don't think I'm having any more boosters.

I'm not supporting any restrictions for unvaccinated the same as I wouldn't support them for obese, alcoholics or drug users.

I'd not be in favour of restricting the unvaccinated. For a start the take up rate for the vaccinations has been incredible- over 90% I believe, and I hate this othering of the selfish unvaccinated, even though I wish they'd just get the jabs.

I've had my three jabs mostly because I want to travel abroad but I do think they cannot assume high level of take up ongoing. If they were to move to quarterly vaccinations for example, I'd really not be keen as generally each vaccine has left me feeling below par for a couple of days.

I think we're at a precarious crossroads regarding vaccines, restrictions and the virus itself. It looks like England- more through good luck and the pressure of the extreme right wing ( why oh why do they appear to be the only ones opposing restrictions ) - may be on the best path for once.

This tweet by Prof Balloux this evening probably sums it up best for me:

twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1475567604504973318?t=A8xf_Yok-u-TNlobA3jZ2g&s=19

@MaxNormal I really hope you get your medical exemption sorted. It surely is not right that a Gov dept can override your consultant who knows your individual medical history best.
Under 30s are getting the vaccine for the benefit of others rather than themselves and Gov can't keep expecting this of them without some personal benefit or they'll just stop having it. And then Gov will use the scare tactics on everyone again

Excuse the self indulgent post but I'm so fed up with all this uncertainty. I had a holiday of a lifetime booked for my 50th in 2020 which obviously didnt happen then or in 2021 and not sure if it will happen in 2022 either.

I am booked to go see a friend in England tomorrow and ds's girlfriend has tested bloody positive today after being here xmas day so we have moved it forward a day and hoping our pcr comes back in time

I am so fed up with not being able to look forward to anything ..

Its so bloody depressing and feels like we will never be allowed to just be spontaneous ever again

@maxnormal I really hope you get it sorted. If not then I would go on twitter and bring it to press attention. The govt should not over ride a medical practitioner for someone's health!

I don't want covid as bad as I had it so got vaccinated and got my booster purely for travel purposes next year. DH got his for travel only.

@ecceromani thank you. Tbh its not even like they're overriding anything at this point, it's more that no-one seems to know what to do. Not my gp and not the helpline. It's really odd.

And I do totally understand people supporting any measures to hopefully bring an end to things. This has been very frightening for so many people, people have lost loved ones, and the restrictions have had a devastating impact, moreso on the young. So I do get the whatever-it-takes mindset.
I'm not going to quarrel any more with anyone who holds a different view to me.

@frasersmummy much sympathy from me. Having something to look forward to it so important, possibly we never realised just how much unti last year. I'm so sorry you didn't get your dream 50th and now your trip.

@Scottishskifun thank you. I'll keep at it, next stage another letter to gp getting sent tomorrow.
DH same as yours, just had his for work travel.

[quote MaxNormal]@ssd I am going round in circles trying to get my exemption despite an actual letter from my consultant saying he's assessed me as medically exempt. There literally doesn't appear to be a process in place.

Every time I read pro segregation stuff its upsetting, there's enough glee about it in the covid section, I wish I didn't have to read it on the railing thread.[/quote]
If you read my post i said at the start they need to get the exemptions sorted first. I knew you'd come back and tell me again you are having problems getting the exemption sorted. Which is terrible. Thats why i said at the start the exemptions need sorted.
If you are reading glee into that, thats your problem.

Fingers crossed for a negative pcr @frasersmummy . You're right, it just sucks all the joy out of anticipation. Normally at this time of year I'd be finalising out holiday plans for the next year, but there's sod all point in doing that and them turning into ashes like they have for the last two years, so I shan't bother.

Meant to go and visit DPs, but DM has decided that a 6 day break between our houseguests and LFTs aren't enough so would prefer to delay until DS is back at school, because obviously that's safer . They're the only ones we're doing LFT for now and it's more important that DS does his Nat 5 prelims than does a LFT and misses them if it's a positive, so he shan't be visiting for a while.

@MaxNormal have you heard of anyone actually getting a medical exemption?

@ssd apologies, I didn't mean to imply you were being gleeful, I know you're not, I misphrased my post. I know you've had a genuinely shit scary time.

@ecceromani no never heard personally of anyone who is exempt.

Im sorry too for being snippy @MaxNormal.

Being at each others throats doesn't help anything. I'm just wound up these days. I should come off mn but there's bugger all else to do 🤦‍♀️

I should come off mn but there's bugger all else to do

you've just summarised my life.

I feel like I've spent two years having a stupid barney with people and its changed nothing and the saddest part is most people are probably perfectly nice but just fraught. I dont want to do that any more.

I expect you were spot on in an earlier post @MaxNormal when you said you didn't think there was actually a mechanism for medical exemption despite Gov implying there is

@ssd and @MaxNormal if you want to be really wound up by a right barney head over to AIBU and the Santa/Father Christmas thread

I seen a bit of that thread....bloody dafties .

The obvious threads like that dont wind me up, i get wound up by wee daft things. I find myself writing big long ranty posts and almost as soon as i press post, I'm nearly always thinking 'I shouldn't have done that'. I'm like a wean that never learns. But my hearts in the right place, my nerves are just wrung out. So i apologise to anyone I've upset.

Off to check that out. I'm guessing it's the usual accusation that Santa is American!

Exemptions or no Exemption what actual difference does it make when nobody can do anything and even those fully (whatever that actually means) vaccinated can still get covid.

We just need our leaders to really start following the science. We get there!

@ElephantOfRisk

I think restricting unvaccinated is a slippery slope.

People are allowed personal choice. People who are obese, type 2 diabetic, smokers and alcoholics and drug users are a bigger permanent strain on the NHS. But how many folk slagging off the unvaccinated are overweight and have made no effort to reduce their risk from that since it was clear that it was a significant factor in hospitalisations from covid?

Im not saying it's easy, but they are just as likely as an unvaccinated person to strain the NHS but no-one is saying they are banned from going out and they in many cases are also making a choice.

I don't think I'm having any more boosters.

I'm not supporting any restrictions for unvaccinated the same as I wouldn't support them for obese, alcoholics or drug users.

This is it summed up perfectly.

My plumber went AWOL on the 23rd and I’ve reached my ceiling of personal residual filth - aids social distancing I suppose.

So I’m going to fling myself into the sea today and scrub myself down with a handful of sand.

I’m not boostered. Any statisticians care to weigh up the odds of a) dying of personal hygiene vs. B) floating away to Norway vs. C) covid?

95% chance of succumbing to hypothermia by my estimates!