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Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...

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dancemom · 04/11/2021 10:58

New thread Tierers ...

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mibbelucieachwell · 18/11/2021 14:45

Thank you dancemom

I agree that the HE situation is disgraceful. I really feel for our young people.

What do they mean by new data feeds now reporting from private labs? Does that mean people needing PCR's for travel purposes?

So artificially high by about 700 today? That's better than my prediction (wot I forgot to post) of 3,100 for today.

Scotland is not doing well on the number of deaths compared with the rest of the UK.

ElephantOfRisk · 18/11/2021 14:48

so they've added in the positive results but not the number of tests?

If so that's disgraceful.

mibbelucieachwell · 18/11/2021 15:06

Oh! I hadn't considered that @ElephantOfRisk . Does it moly that 90,000 tests weren't reported?

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 18/11/2021 15:12

I can't work out what the end bit of those numbers mean? Does this mean they are now adding another form of testing into daily numbers?

If anyone with a better eye can help please? Been doing uni online all day so my head is pounding.

ElephantOfRisk · 18/11/2021 15:21

@mibbelucieachwell

Oh! I hadn't considered that *@ElephantOfRisk* . Does it moly that 90,000 tests weren't reported?
it's a bit woolly but seems to imply that positive results are higher because of 700 added cases but that was from 90,000 tests but the figure for tests is 45k? so they should have added both or neither?
ElephantOfRisk · 18/11/2021 15:22

I think going forward then those tests and any positives will be included which is fine stats wise but not really sure what they have done here.

WouldBeGood · 18/11/2021 16:54

Has anyone seen the thing today about the scientist in Scotland saying PCRs shouldn’t be used to assess infectiousness or something?

MLMshouldbeillegal · 19/11/2021 08:29

@ElephantOfRisk

It's definitely not good enough, DS is very socially anxious, apart from online group work things, he hasn't spoken to a soul at uni and he's in 4th year!

He needs to do a summer placement next summer before his final year and it's stressing him out. I'm trying to get him to understand that this pain now will help when he graduates and needs a job but it's hard.

Definitely not helped by spending his time in his room.

My DS is similar. He's really not a people person and has always struggled to make friends and maintain friendships. He is your stereotypical, socially awkward geek. He joined the Uni dungeons and dragons society (told you he was a geek) but again, it's all online so although he's "met" a couple of people it's all virtual.
dancemom · 19/11/2021 14:51

• 3,090 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 35,108* new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 9.3% of these were positive
• 19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 64 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 785 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,335,881 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 3,935,095 have received their second dose, and 1,342,841 have received a third dose or booster.

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mibbelucieachwell · 19/11/2021 16:29

Hmmmm another * beside the number of tests but no explanation.

MLMshouldbeillegal · 20/11/2021 11:42

The amount of money being spent on testing is frightening.

ecceromani · 20/11/2021 12:52

@MLMshouldbeillegal

The amount of money being spent on testing is frightening.
There's quite a bit of repeat testing too as people haven't tested at optimum time which will push costs up. There could maybe be better guidance on this. Other than cost it gives false sense of security. I know of 2 separate incidences recently where someone took PCR test 48hrs after being in contact with positive case (one through work, one social) Both were negative but developed symptoms a few days later and had to test again.

You see on Mumsnet the whole time of people taking 2 or 3 PCR tests until they get a positive

WouldBeGood · 20/11/2021 13:04

People are obsessed with getting positives. 🤷🏻‍♀️

dancemom · 20/11/2021 14:53

• 2,756 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 31,575 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 9.3% of these were positive
• 11 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 61 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 767 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,337,089 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 3,936,594 have received their second dose, and 1,375,779 have received a third dose or booster.

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mibbelucieachwell · 20/11/2021 15:02

I agree wouldbegood Why even have the expensive track and trace sustem that relies on the info the positive person gives them? When it startedI was all for it. But I thought it would genuinely find people who couldn't know they were contacts. Eg people on public transport.

I'm still doing regular LF tests - more often after going to London when I was on a lot of busy public transport and at a large event. If it were to come back positive I'd rather phone my contacts myself than inflict the test and protect (or whatever it's called in Scotland) people on them.

If a positive LF test is registered does that count towards the daily figures? Does it trigger a legal requirement to do a PCR test?

A woman who works for a testing lab was tweeting about how busy and exhausted they are recently. I know LF tests aren't reckoned to be as sensitive as PCRs but going looking for positive cases seems a waste of resources.

It's not as if track and trace is the only way of measuring numbers. There's the ONS random sampling, sewage testing and the Zoe app.

ResilienceWanker · 20/11/2021 17:22

Someone (a scientist to a committee of MPs... not just Dave down the pub) was saying that LFTs are actually better than PCRs at identifying infectious people (if the aim is to get those off the streets while infectious). We know that PCRs can pick up "dead" virus as a positive some time after someone has stopped being infectious. So it makes sense that all the positive PCRs we see aren't actually "new" (and therefore infectious) cases, but could be residual virus from someone who was actually infectious (maybe asymptomatically) weeks ago but is testing now as a contact, or they've been coughing a bit or feeling a bit ropey.

Also, I really wish they'd stop counting and reporting cases - I don't think it's helping anyone any more. There are enough other ways of tracking spread as mibbe says - the ONS survey in particular, which should be enough to give the people in charge an idea of whether hospitals need to gear up or whatever. Anyone else feeling grotty can stay at home for a bit, take an LFT if they really want to know - but no need to register it or anything.

Test and protect seems to have given up for some time now, and I agree, as it stands, it's a waste of money. Even when I tested positive back in July they were only interested in high risk settings I'd been to - not the multitude of restaurants/ museums/ trains I'd been to in the previous couple of days - and I had to provide numbers/ contact details for anyone I considered to be a contact, ignoring the fact that I wouldn't have this for everyone. And for those I gave, it would surely be sufficient to email or text people with the capability to receive that, rather than phone everyone... Anyone who didn't respond to that (button to say, "yes, I understand" or similar) could be followed up by an actual person, and a helpline offered so people can get in touch if they need advice. It just seems pointless and wasteful the way they do things now, particularly as the contacts identified are so sparse anyway... I confess I didn't own up to some contacts as I didn't want them hounded by phone and forced to isolate, but just emailed them to let them know (and they'd already had covid anyway earlier in the year). Which is hardly the point of the scheme!

Also, I wish someone clever could make the positive LFTs a bit more obvious. So many I've seen pictures of as"positive" and I'm thinking "but there's no line there"! Maybe I'm just spectacularly unobservant, but I can't be the only one who would discount many of the tests as negative when they were actually positive... Maybe that's where the "high false negative" thing is coming from.

WouldBeGood · 20/11/2021 17:47

Are you supposed to grass up contacts? I’d be seriously pissed off if a friend gave them my details!

Pootle40 · 20/11/2021 18:11

@WouldBeGood

People are obsessed with getting positives. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Sometimes I feel like a weirdo. I've only ever tested to go abroad and come home again! I don't get all this regular testing when we have a few thousand positives day in day out. It seems neither here nor there now.
ElephantOfRisk · 20/11/2021 18:29

I must be even more of a weirdo. I've never done a covid test (LFT or PCR), I've never "checked in" anywhere though have been with others who have checked in a group. I don't have any of the Apps. But then I work from home and rarely go anywhere. I believe I had covid in March 2020 but no testing available at that point. I've been jagged, got my booster next week as it happens. Other than when I believe I had it, I've had no symptoms, not been in contact with anyone who has or has had a positive test of any description. There must be loads of folk like me no?

LizzieMacQueen · 20/11/2021 18:35

I LFT before visiting my mum in her care home (we have to) and I would if I was visiting anyone with ill health. The new 15 minutes, nostril only, ones are what I have at the moment. Far easier than the old ones.

MaxNormal · 20/11/2021 18:37

ElephantOfRisk same here. I've now had one PCR test to travel but that's it, if I hadn't been I'd still be on zero tests.
Like you I work from home and I'm reclusive to say the least!

ElephantOfRisk · 20/11/2021 18:52

Yes, if i was visiting with a vulnerable person then I'd do what was necessary but for the life I'm leading at the moment it's just not a thing I need to do. I'm completely not scared of getting covid but I'm not really doing things like I should. I don't really go shopping properly, apart from the mask issue, I'm just really no longer interested. We did a shopping trip last week and I really only did two shops as it just didn't seem worth putting on a mask to go in any more. Went for lunch but had a whole place to ourselves until just before we left when another two people arrived.

Scottishskifun · 20/11/2021 19:19

I test before seeing DH granny as she in her 90s or for holidays. I did quite a few lft after covid due to constantly being asked by the Dr and had to say I had done a test but explained they were positive from residual virus.

I have a few colleagues who test most days despite wfh but I think they have genuinely become terrified (well done to govt on messaging there!)

I think again it comes down to what people are comfortable with doing!

WouldBeGood · 20/11/2021 22:22

Never test.

Scottishskifun · 20/11/2021 22:56

Oh how I wish I could @WouldBeGood unfortunately with a toddler who regularly gets nursery illnesses and Dr's refusal to see anyone child or adult if they have any hint of a symptom despite what I say we end up doing it. I won't test DS anymore unless absolutely urgent as he's now terrified so we test instead just so we can see the bloody Dr!

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