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Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...

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dancemom · 04/11/2021 10:58

New thread Tierers ...

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Explosivefarts · 01/01/2022 20:48

Happy New Year

ecceromani · 01/01/2022 21:06

Happy new year @dancemom

WouldBeGood · 01/01/2022 21:46

Happy New Tier!

*I’ll get my coat

dancemom · 02/01/2022 00:05

@WouldBeGood beats most of my thread titles 🙌🏼

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titsintiers · 02/01/2022 16:12

I see that the Sunday Post is reporting that only 1 patient in Scotland has required icu treatment.

Haudyourwheesht · 02/01/2022 17:27

@WouldBeGood

Happy New Tier!

*I’ll get my coat

Grin
mibbelucieachwell · 03/01/2022 11:22

Good morning railers. No snow here in East Dunbartonshire but I hear from my rellies there's snow in the far north.

I wonder why the railing thread is so quiet? Could it possibly be anything to do with the fact that wee Nikki, Humza et al are on holiday, leaving us in peace? Hmm.

WouldBeGood · 03/01/2022 11:35

@mibbelucieachwell Railing going on apace!

mibbelucieachwell · 03/01/2022 11:38

Ahah. Thank you @WouldBeGood . Should have had more faith in the railers.

ecceromani · 03/01/2022 13:43

Here's a question?
If someone travelled to England, Wales, Ireland for Christmas (which many people will have) and tested positive between Christmas and new year, they can end their isolation and travel home after 7 days and negative lft.
But once they arrive in Scotland are they free to go about their business or do they have to go back into isolation for couple daysHmm

dancemom · 03/01/2022 15:09

• 20,217 new cases of COVID-19 reported*
• 65,860 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*
◦ 34.9% of these were positive
• 38 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,031 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,383,212 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,017,051 have received their second dose, and 2,992,583 have received a third dose or booster

  • There continues to be large volumes of tests being processed by labs. This and the holiday weekend have impacted turnaround times resulting in delays between specimens being taken and results being received and reported. Public Health Scotland are continuing to monitor the situation.
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mibbelucieachwell · 03/01/2022 16:28

I was surprised to read on travelling tabby that there were 14,000 positive tests reported yesterday as I didn't think there was going to be any reporting yesterday. However there was definitely nothing on 1st so by my rough calculations there have been 34,000ish positive tests over the last 3 days.

Although, confusingly, travelling tabby says we're now averaging 15,000 cases a day.

I guess the picture will be clearer in a few days when testing is more evenly spaced out and back to the usual patterns.

ResilienceWanker · 03/01/2022 16:48

Yes - the numbers are really weird at the moment because of all the holidays and substitute holidays - coupled with lab testing capacity being a bit constrained (or set on fire Hmm ), more people wanting tests because of socialising and so on. Things should start to get a bit more normal from about Weds or Thurs, hopefully!

Apparently there were 17k cases on the 1st, 14k yesterday and 20k today (there's a spreadsheet here and it's on table 5). But they don't seem to have published hospitalisations etc for 1st/2nd - but just today. So yes, a leap, but ICU patients are still v low.

Good question ecce! I don't know how that would work. Though frankly, its all just voluntary here (non-optionally voluntary, of course Grin but still guidance and not law and no fines or anything if you don't follow it) so I think going about their business would be fine.

sparkle17 · 03/01/2022 18:27

So it seems Scotland now has proportionally more cases than England despite the tougher restrictions being in place.

Scottishskifun · 03/01/2022 19:31

@sparkle17 but surely our "protections" couldn't possibly allow that to happen over big bad England and their lawless covid ways....... 😂

Oh wait it's a virus!
First footings aren't really a thing either in England

WouldBeGood · 03/01/2022 20:26

I think that the Scottish restrictions were perfectly designed to spread the virus by forcing people into in house socialising

ecceromani · 03/01/2022 20:34

Yes I noticed data from end of last week Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire had higher rates per 100,000 than London.
I remembered agreeing on here with someone commenting on London numbers and asking if that would be us soonConfused

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 03/01/2022 20:42

"So it seems Scotland now has proportionally more cases than England despite the tougher restrictions being in place."

I imagine this disparity will only grow looking at the UK dashboard case data by specimen date. Bars in grey are subject to change, with the most recent ones likely to have the most added on. England looks to be at it's peak now as a worst case, probably slightly beyond it, but Scotland still seems to be very much on an upward trend. I think the new thinking is that it's not possible to prevent cases with restrictions (sorry 'protections'), you can only defer them, and all our 'suppression' seems to achieve is bigger peaks and troughs of infection rather than the more steady level England saw. At this point in the pandemic, with the experience of previous waves, this kind of thinking (suppression through restrictions) just seems amateurish.

Sturgeon might get spooked by the high numbers and persist with restrictions for longer, but you could also argue that it's better to get the peak out of the way while booster immunity is still relatively fresh for the vulnerable. Do we really want to push it a couple of months down the line again only to have cases/hospitalisations rise when boosters in the oldest age groups are starting to wane again? This takes a lot of courage though, and I'm not sure Sturgeon has it. She seems to be too scared to even soften the isolation rules to allow society to function, so accepting a high wave of infections, even if it better in the long run, might be beyond her.

Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...
Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...
neveradullmoment99 · 03/01/2022 20:43

@ecceromani

Yes I noticed data from end of last week Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire had higher rates per 100,000 than London. I remembered agreeing on here with someone commenting on London numbers and asking if that would be us soonConfused
Most have had the infection in London , whereas Scotland and other places are seeing it now. Its nothing to do with restrictions. Its a simple fact that London's population have been infected first. That is why.
WouldBeGood · 03/01/2022 20:46

It’s all pointless, all the stuff

Scottishskifun · 03/01/2022 20:48

@neveradullmoment99 that was true with Delta most definitely. Not omicron sadly its shown to have a high reinfection rate and London has one of the worst vaccination rates in the country.

neveradullmoment99 · 03/01/2022 21:19

I agree that they have one of the worst vaccination rates, true.
However, not sure what you mean by reinfection rates?
Are you meaning from Delta to Omicron or getting infected with omicron multiple times?
I'm not sure that there is sufficient data to fully understand any of this atm. I think the numbers are all over the place because of Christmas and New Year for many reasons. Some of the numbers have included Scotland, some have not. Some have excluded Wales or Northern Ireland.
It has been observed time and time again that infection rates in London are always the highest first due to its population etc.
The rest of the other places in the UK follow suit. That has been throughout the pandemic.

Scottishskifun · 03/01/2022 21:45

@neveradullmoment99 no I'm meaning omicron is showing to evade immunity from previous infection or from double vaccination. There is a bit of data showing this going from information from South Africa.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-largely-evades-immunity-from-past/amp/

So immunity protection from catching covid from previous infection is showing at 19% in this study. For delta is was between 65-75% protection depending on the study if not vaccinated and about 94% if previous infection followed by vaccination.

Scotland detected omicron very early on more so then England. But London everyone is in close proximity to one another so more availability in greater numbers, its not that it started in London and is spreading upwards (as was the case with alpha).

ecceromani · 03/01/2022 23:23

But Londons population was not infected 1st with omicron. Lanarkshire was one of 1st places in uk to have omicron and it spread quickly throughout Scotland very early on.
London is overcrowded, has significantly more adults unvaccinated than all areas of Scotland, and has not the restrictions we had so I'm not sure how our numbers in some areas of central belt have managed to overtake theirs.

Bratnews · 03/01/2022 23:49

Restrictions are just forcing people to socialise in homes with no mitigation’s at all. I’m not surprised that we have high infection rates.

I also think it’s v unlikely that people would now follow any restrictions that attempt to limit who you have in your home.