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Dancing with tiers in my eyes, Weeping for the memory of a life gone by

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dancemom · 01/09/2021 20:27

New thread, a very appropriate title I feel ...

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Scottishskifun · 13/10/2021 11:01

@Nondescriptname

I meant are there more cases from eg socialising in homes, or going to pubs or what?? I'm still going nowhere and it sounds like that's going to continue then.
I'm afraid that this virus is never going to go away it is now here to stay like many other viruses. You obviously have to do what you are comfortable with but be aware that it's never going to disappear. Society and the economy has to function again and cases will go up and down.

As for where are more cases from well that's impossible to know as that data isn't published and frankly track and trace don't backtrack that far to work it out unless it's associated with a large workplace or considered a high risk setting such as a care home.

We all have to learn to live with it which includes doing your own risk assessment to what your comfortable with

rookiemere · 13/10/2021 11:06

@Nondescriptname it's very hard to tell where cases are coming from these days as no T&T, but prevalence in younger age group suggests its from schools mostly as they are unvaccinated.

The good news is that cases are decreasing ( although suspect we may see a mini spike after half term holiday returns). I guess if you're worried about catching it, then it's probably not the time to launch into a pub crawl or clubbing experience, but I do suspect it's not as prevalent in the older vaccinated demographic.

dancemom · 13/10/2021 11:15

In the week before I tested positive I had a hairdresser appointment, went to the gym, went to a gig, went to a spa day and drove my daughter and her 2 friends to a house party (and all 3 of them have now tested positive) so it's impossible to know where I picked it up, if I gave it to them, if they gave it to me ....

However that's just living your life and I won't be doing it any differently. The virus is here to stay and everyone is going to come into contact with it eventually.

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sartorius · 13/10/2021 11:16

Yes the data on PHS dashboard indicates by far the highest cases over last few weeks have been in under 19s.
So I think we can surmise that being unvaccinated and indoors in crowded, poorly ventilated schools places is the biggest risk factor

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 13/10/2021 11:23

I agree that it's endemic now, you could literally pick it up anywhere, and personally I take the view that (as a vaccinated person) this is as 'safe' as it's ever going to get so I'm just going to live life. Every time I catch it I'll get a bit more immunity, and it will soon fade into the background of seasonal viruses that I give no thought to. I do feel for people who are still feeling very scared, the public 'information' campaign has been very successful, but they'll have to come out sooner or later, as they'll be locked away forever otherwise.

I'm not sure that the 'case numbers' are giving a massively accurate picture of the burden of disease anyway though, especially if it's mostly in children. The 0-14 age bracket also seems very wide to me, and I suspect that the 'risk' (such as it is as the vast vast majority of these kids will barely notice) probably varies a lot within that group. A local nursery is having a bit of an outbreak just now and they've actually tested everyone (staff and children) - the number of staff testing positive outnumbers the children, despite there being many more children than staff, and the children mixing freely without face coverings and obviously not being vaccinated. In fact most of the children testing positive are also asymptomatic so not ill in any real sense, and they wouldn't have even known if they weren't testing everyone.

Nondescriptname · 13/10/2021 11:24

Thanks for the answers.
As an older person living with a younger relative who has health issues, my main worry is infecting them and them getting long covid.
I can't just decide to take a chance on their behalf, as it were.

Scottishskifun · 13/10/2021 11:33

@Nondescriptname have they been double vaccinated?
The research is very positive and indicating that vaccinations massively reduces the chances of getting long covid.
I have it and confirm that it sucks but I got covid prior to vaccination. Anecdotally by going on the long covid groups I'm part of the number of new members is reducing and I have only seen one post from a double vaccinated member who then caught covid in a global group.

sartorius · 13/10/2021 11:50

@Nondescriptname are their health issues ones that put them at higher risk if they contract covid?
It's quite well documented now the main conditions which are higher risk, such as diabetes.
There's lots of conditions where people are no higher risk with covid
and as PP says we now know vaccination reduces chances of long covid

dancemom · 13/10/2021 14:02

• 2,581 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 35,728 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 7.7% of these were positive
• 30 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 51 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 918 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,270,126 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,868,656 have received their second dose

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 13/10/2021 15:12

I'm trying not to, but I'm becoming a bit concerned about the death stats in Scotland. BBC is reporting today that deaths from all causes are 30% above average this week, not because of COVID (which are falling) but mostly because of cancers, heart disease etc. Charts from Travelling Tabby seem to indicate that this is a trend and a Scottish issue rather than UK wide, as the excess is a lot smaller across the UK as a whole. A large part of it will be people not getting help when they needed to during the pandemic, either because they didn't want to be a burden or because the services just weren't available, but I worry that part of it in recent months is the huge pressures on the NHS which seem to be a bit worse up here for some reason. Certainly we are seeing worse death rates and hospitals seem to be generally having a worse time, with many already in emergency measures barely into October.

I'm just not convinced that anything meaningful is being done to solve the situation - most public health messaging seems to be around COVID and pushing vaccinations, but since most of the problem is other things I can't see this helping much. Shutting down the NHS to protect it (again), like lots of health boards are starting to do, clearly just stores up worse problems for later. I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't hyperbole when the SG warned to expect a bad winter.

Dancing with tiers in my eyes, Weeping for the memory of a life gone by
Dancing with tiers in my eyes, Weeping for the memory of a life gone by
mibbelucieachwell · 13/10/2021 16:52

I hope you're okay despite your + test dancemom

Today's numbers are down on last Wednesdays. Numbers of people in hospital with covid is down too.

runningpink · 13/10/2021 20:01

If it’s now classed as endemic then why are we still bloody stuck with these stupid restrictions and not left to make our own choices and decisions?

sartorius · 13/10/2021 20:29

@runningpink

If it’s now classed as endemic then why are we still bloody stuck with these stupid restrictions and not left to make our own choices and decisions?

Because the nhs isn't coping and we're only in October.
If covid is here to stay we are permanently going to have varying numbers of covid patients in hospital.
Haven't heard anything about the nhs expanding bed numbers and training more staff to accommodate this

runningpink · 13/10/2021 21:02

The NHS wasn’t coping before all this. And like you say nothing has been done to improve the issues.

We shouldn’t have to continue with our life on hold and wearing stupid masks etc because the government have screwed up again with the NHS

All these false promises of freedom time and time again. Iv had enough.
England are free so why can’t we be as well.

It feels like if they are less vocal (fewer briefings for example) then we will all forget and adapt/accept this way of living.

Sorry just feeling really fed up again

Nondescriptname · 14/10/2021 00:12

Thanks Scottishskifun and sartorius.
Yes, we have both been double jagged.
Diabetes is one of the things that my relative has. Well-controlled by diet, but still.

I get that we can't hide forever but keep hearing of people being very unwell.

runningpink your choices and decisions, eg not wearing a mask, could endanger others. That's why.

Mistressiggi · 14/10/2021 06:39

I'm glad to see the numbers stalling/coming down a bit. Not sure if it's time for a removal of all restrictions though, it's far from low. In school the majority of my classes seem to have at least one child off with it. If there's no masks after half term seems likely it will be worse. It's really hard to catch everyone up when some of them are missing so much, have never seen absences like it.

Pootle40 · 14/10/2021 07:22

Do people genuinely believe masks achieve anything?!

Scottishskifun · 14/10/2021 07:41

I'm afraid that with delta variant (and the alpha) it escapes masks unless it's a FFP2 or FFP3 type and can build up in the air unless its well ventilated so masks don't really offer much in the way of protection if spending any time in a area. They can reduce the level of transmission if having a close face to face conversation but not much else and it also presumes that it's being worn and put on properly.

I don't care if people wish to wear them just hope they stop staring at me in Scotland given I no longer can!

We are travelling back from England at the weekend. Can't say I'm looking forward to being bombarded with messaging again! I very much enjoy DH and I making our own decisions based on the we know!

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 14/10/2021 08:11

I’m not sure that case levels are ever going to get ‘low’, not as we enter the winter months and respiratory virus season anyway. Endemic doesn’t mean ‘low’ or ‘gone’, it just means stable without large peaks. It will always be there. Being in favour of masks while cases are high could well mean advocating for them every winter, or even permanently. Is this really what people want? As immunity wanes, which we’re already seeing with the first to be vaccinated (hence boosters), or the virus drifts a bit, people become a bit more susceptible again, and this is then balanced by the immunity gained from more recently vaccinated and recovered people. Overall we’ll probably end up catching it every year or so, but it will be less bad each time as immunity builds up. There will also probably be a few thousand deaths each year as there is with flu, in those very vulnerable, which we’ll try to mitigate with boosters but won’t be able to completely avoid. This is not what we were sold when we were promised that we could eliminate it, but it’s the reality.

Suppressing the virus through increased measures puts it off for a few months, but you then get bigger peaks when you do relax and these peaks are what threaten the NHS (see Scotland over the summer). All of these measures, like distancing and perhaps masks, also have all manner of costs, including on people’s health. Paediatric wards are currently chock full of small children very ill with RSV, including children slightly older than usual, because they have not had the chance to build any immunity to it. This is a virus that does actually harm children, with thousands of hospitalisations each year. The measures taken to stop spread have implications far beyond the economic and educational problems we’re all familiar with, and are far from neutral. It really is time to have one of those ‘grown up conversations’ that Sturgeon purports to like so much, and explain to people the reality, and the costs of ‘keeping us safe’ from COVID.

WouldBeGood · 14/10/2021 08:32

I’m with you @runningpink. It’s depressing.

Another result of our terrible government and their running of the NHS.

Masks don’t work. That’s obvious.

Denmark has now removed all restrictions. All. As their health service is fit fit for purpose.

WouldBeGood · 14/10/2021 08:34

@Scottishskifun, yes, the messages of doom are so so annoying! The Scottish guy who took over on the train from London was wittering about the police patrolling Glasgow Central regularly, to challenge those not wearing masks. In contravention of our Scottish “by laws” 🙄🙄

imstilljenny2 · 14/10/2021 09:28

Interesting discussion re case numbers. I don't quite get though why our numbers in the UK are huge compared to the rest of Europe. Spain, France, Germany etc are reporting daily covid cases of around 1000 to 1,800 while the UK was around 42000 yesterday. WTF is going in?

WouldBeGood · 14/10/2021 09:38

I think it’s asymptomatic testing

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 14/10/2021 09:43

I agree @WouldBeGood. If the local situation is anything to go by, it's mainly young people being tested 'just in case', who in the main aren't seriously ill (if they have any symptoms at all) and probably wouldn't be picked up with stricter criteria for a test.

Nondescriptname · 14/10/2021 11:52

I think more emphasis on ventilation would be good.
So many small shops and offices have no open window or door, but they fuss about hand sanitiser.