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Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

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dancemom · 29/07/2021 20:31

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

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dancemom · 15/08/2021 14:30

• 1,498 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 22,226 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 7.4% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that register offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 40 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 331 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,054,842 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,449,901 have received their second dose

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WouldBeGood · 15/08/2021 21:28

Thanks @dancemom 😊

Cismyfatarse · 16/08/2021 08:36

Anyone catch Shirley Anne Somerville on BBC Radio Scotland this morning just after 7.30. I heard it trailed but missed it.

ResilienceWanker · 16/08/2021 13:33

I didn't, but from the article on the BBC website it doesn't sound like she said anything unexpected. It sounds like they're trying to move back from "masks for at least the first 6 weeks" to "masks for up to the first 6 weeks", but I'll believe their removal when I see it... Also, she had a crazy justification for it "oh, well, 12 year olds have been wearing them in shops buying their new school shoes, so it'll confuse the poor dears not to have to wear them in school". Yup, cos that's exactly the same situation (well, they didn't have to wear them when sitting down in McDonald's with their mates, so it'll confuse the poor dears to have to wear them sitting in classes in school). But then went onto say it'll only be until teachers are fully vaccinated (well, who's fault is that that they haven't had the necessary time to be fully vaccinated over the summer, then?!) so it'll be fine for the pupils to be confused when that is done...

Didn't say anything about exams from what I can gather, other than she's on the verge of making an announcement...

Sorry - I may be feeling a bit cynical.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 16/08/2021 13:49

I don't trust the SG as far as I can throw them when it comes to promises about releasing restrictions as they have a long track record of spouting bullshit in this regard, but I am encouraged that they seem to be feeling pressure about schools on the back of the glaring contradictions with all other areas of life. I hope that this alone will force them into a U-turn (as God knows the welfare and education of children isn't enough to do it) and ditch restrictions when the 6 weeks are up and the vaccinations are done (and that there isn't then a mission creep into 'controlling numbers' over the autumn). I'll believe it when I see it though.

dancemom · 16/08/2021 14:08

• 1,567 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 17,354 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 9.6% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are generally closed at weekends)
• 39 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 337 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,058,482 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,467,817 have received their second dose

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WouldBeGood · 16/08/2021 14:39

So, hospital numbers staying low, despite rising “cases” and test positivity?

I believe it’s looking good.

latissimusdorsi · 16/08/2021 14:58

At least @ResilienceWanker she's now come out and said it's until all teachers double jagged.
So at least that's something bit more concreteHmm
Lovely sunny day here for end of holidays

ElephantOfRisk · 16/08/2021 15:15

Surely just until they've had the opportunity to be double jagged. Anyone has the right to not be jagged at all for any and no reason, but that doesn't mean that all pupils in school need to mask up. I'm sure there might be individual cases of vulnerability where additional measures might be asked to be taken. Only 82% of 30 - 39 year olds have received a first jag and i'm pretty sure they will all have had an opportunity to be done by now.

ResilienceWanker · 16/08/2021 15:33

Yes, I'm not sure how they're going to set the end point for everyone having been jagged who needs to be... I thought the 19th July was the deadline for everyone over 18 to be first jagged (when they tier zeroed us), so 8 weeks on from that will be mid Sept, which seems much less than 6 weeks away. And of course, not many teachers will be just 18, so would have been earlier in the queue than that! It does seem to be another bit of goalpost moving... Or maybe making up a reason to fit the 6 week timescale they have plucked out of thin air.

But, yes, good news that the vaccines seem to be doing their job at keeping the hospitals ticking over, and even cases aren't really increasing much after the relaxation of social distancing, nightclubs etc last week.

Scottishskifun · 16/08/2021 16:15

Yeah they are going to add an extra month into that on the argument that you have to wait 4 weeks if you have had covid to get one!

I really hope it's less for the school kids! Wouldn't be surprised if they kept it for teachers given they have joyously put employers into the legislation and 1m distance still or mask in communal areas!
Given they have kept the requirements to wear one to go for a piss in the pub which does all of feck all!

LoopyGremlin · 16/08/2021 19:29

I’m 43 and only had my second jag three weeks ago. Several of my younger teacher colleagues have not had their second one yet.

WouldBeGood · 16/08/2021 19:56

It’s weird. Dd is 19 and double jagged as of last week

ResilienceWanker · 16/08/2021 19:56

As the young teachers will likely be having Pfizer/Moderna, I'm not sure why they have been so strict on the 8 weeks anyway. It's licensed, and effective, for anything over 3 weeks, which was when the manufacturers initially said the 2nd dose should be given. The whole UK then changed that to 12 weeks because of supply issues, and then when delta emerged and there was greater risk of people catching covid between jags (and it screwing up "freedom day"), back to 8. I think there is some research that immunity does build with the mRNA vaccines up til 8 weeks, and more slowly up to 12 weeks for AZ - but given the second jag is boosting the immunity anyway (and then further boosters as needed) I don't see why Scotland has stuck so rigidly to 8 weeks, at the expense of under 40 teachers not being able to be fully jagged before now. Just consistency, I assume, but it seems very inflexible. Vaccine centres have been working way under capacity all through the summer, so why they couldn't have offered it to teachers after 5 or 6 weeks, say, I don't know!

It's been an issue for people trying to travel for work, too. One of DHs colleagues was offered a job in Germany, but they have a rule you can only enter the country if double jagged (+2 weeks). He had one jag, but wasn't due the second for a couple of weeks, which would mean he wouldn't make the start of his contract. He spoke to his local vaccine centre and they said no way he could have it early. Having a heads up that England were offering it with a reason after 3 weeks, he went to a walk in centre in Newcastle with no other record of him on their system, but the Scottish record of his first jag on a bit of paper, and his job offer letter Grin and they were fine, and gave it at 5 and a bit weeks. Not sure how he's proving that to Germany, but he has now at least met their requirements.

Scottishskifun · 16/08/2021 21:51

I find it completely bonkers that the same method of calling up teachers for spare vaccines wasn't done all over Scotland. They were on a priority call list alongside police, fire crews etc for Grampian so they started getting first jabs in May second jabs by July.

tiredoftiers · 16/08/2021 22:01

DH is just under 40, was due his second jag while we were due to be on holiday. Went to the drop in centre when he was 7 weeks and 5 days from his first jag. They still said "no" you can't get it, there was literally nobody in the drop in centre. Scroll forward 2.5 weeks later he heads for his rescheduled appointment which is also running as a drop in, he queued for 2 hours to get his vaccine! It's not been the smoothest roll out, and I'm not sure where the evidence base is with regards to the rigid 8 week.
Lots of healthcare workers must now have questionable immunity as they were jagged 3 weeks apart in the initial vaccine administration, if you follow the logic they are applying.There has been so much disparity throughout the rollout, across Scotland.

dancemom · 17/08/2021 16:52

• 1,815 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 18,316 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 10.6% of these were positive
• 9 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 40 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 338 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,061,687 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,482,188 have received their second dose

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Pootle40 · 17/08/2021 18:32

All the crazy people testing kids before they go back to school!

WouldBeGood · 17/08/2021 18:57

Yep @Pootle40

BridgetJonesPanties · 17/08/2021 21:14

Edinburgh castle has fallen, I repeat, Edinburgh Castle has fallen

Grin

Just a bunch of 30 fuckwits protesting against lockdown and SNP rule by laying seige to the wrong f*cking building in Edinburgh, under 'common law' (magna carta?)

WouldBeGood · 17/08/2021 21:25

Dear god 🤣

Lidlfix · 17/08/2021 21:33

As promoted by Usforthem zoomed.

On a more worrying note Nando's has also fallen. 59 branches have ran out of peri peri chicken .

ElephantOfRisk · 17/08/2021 21:52

@Lidlfix

As promoted by Usforthem zoomed.

On a more worrying note Nando's has also fallen. 59 branches have ran out of peri peri chicken .

Radical I know but can't they just spice normal chicken themselves?
OnceUponAWhine · 17/08/2021 21:57

@Scottishskifun

I find it completely bonkers that the same method of calling up teachers for spare vaccines wasn't done all over Scotland. They were on a priority call list alongside police, fire crews etc for Grampian so they started getting first jabs in May second jabs by July.
This.
OnceUponAWhine · 17/08/2021 22:07

@Pootle40

All the crazy people testing kids before they go back to school!
So this.

Fully expecting DC to be having a snot fest about a week or so on from now, especially the P1s, who didn’t have their usual immunity-busting doses of ‘just a virus’*
due to missing nursery and pre school play groups this past 18months.

*remember pre 2020 when GPs used to say ‘it’s just a virus’ no matter how utterly terrifying it was trying to nurse your child through pretty bad times.

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