Billy Gilmour has tested positive

[SilenceOfTheNaans]

What does this mean for both the Scotland and England players from Friday?

We could potentially end up with most of the team having to isolate

@latissimusdorsi

Err yes if outdoors doesn't count why do parents have to wear face masks in the playground when collecting children?

There's nothing in the DfE guidance that requires this. This is a "rule" schools have invented all by themselves.

It has just been on the news that 2 English players are now having to self isolate.

Oh that's just so bloody typical

There's nothing in the DfE guidance that requires this. This is a "rule" schools have invented all by themselves.

Nope. The Swinneybot himself said it. It was never a rule though. Parents wearing them outside the school grounds on residential streets as they weren’t allowed in school grounds was also never a rule, but still that continues...

test and trace aren't interested in any outdoor contacts

My ds is isolating just now after an outdoor football match last week where a teammate turned out to be positive.
The Scotland team had better do the right thing, I'll be so disappointed in them if they don't.

Just coming back to this, as i've been snowed under with work this afternoon. So from what I can gather no one else needs to self isolate? If so, that's ridiculous.

If outdoor contact doesn't count then why can't people who are told to self-isolate go for a walk in the park? Also events like outdoor concerts and festivals are irrelevant I guess?

@Bytheloch

There's nothing in the DfE guidance that requires this. This is a "rule" schools have invented all by themselves.

Nope. The Swinneybot himself said it. It was never a rule though. Parents wearing them outside the school grounds on residential streets as they weren’t allowed in school grounds was also never a rule, but still that continues...

It's actually on the Scottish gov website under reams of "instructions" for schools Sorry don't know how to link but it's under Coronavirus: guidance on reducing the risk in school March 2021

2 England players now need to isolate. It's all quite odd

Where for Test and Trace purposes it doesn't count, whether you're a footballer or anyone else.

When did this change. It hasn't always been the case. It wasn't in October when I tested positive - I was asked for all known close contacts, not only indoor ones.

Besides, aren't the players staying in the same accommodation, sharing indoor training facilities and gyms, eating together, socialising together (table tennis for example) ... most of that would be indoors.

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

2 England players now need to isolate. It's all quite odd

But so far no other Scotland players.

Odd is definitely the right word.

Yep @latissimusdorsi demonstrating that parents continue to abide by guidance/rules yet it’s meant nothing in terms of school events going ahead or entire classes not having to isolate despite no close contact. Only different if you’re a footballer

Did he get instructed to isolate through official channels or by the club though? Lots of people are being more cautious than the guidance requires. This is what's happening in some schools where large numbers of children are being asked to isolate too. I've reported all our cases to the local health people and they've always been at pains to rule out as many people as possible from isolating, whereas some schools seems to arbitrarily send whole year groups home. That's not the advice we've been getting at all.

This is a "rule" schools have invented all by themselves.

It was on the advice that the LEA sent out, coming via the DfE information. Our LEA retained it as good advice n the new risk assessment just last week.

@latissimusdorsi but the footballers are In England

Reported all our cases to the local health people and they've always been at pains to rule out as many people as possible from isolating, whereas some schools seems to arbitrarily send whole year groups home.

We can't just send children home regardless. We have to get advice from PHE or via the LEA who advise the head teacher who should and shouldn't count. We don't just send whole year groups home unless it is necessary. That's been my experience throughout

I've reported all our cases to the local health people and they've always been at pains to rule out as many people as possible from isolating, whereas some schools seems to arbitrarily send whole year groups home. That's not the advice we've been getting at all.

Schools can't just decide who to send home, they have to get advice from PHE.

@Abraxan

Reported all our cases to the local health people and they've always been at pains to rule out as many people as possible from isolating, whereas some schools seems to arbitrarily send whole year groups home.

We can't just send children home regardless. We have to get advice from PHE or via the LEA who advise the head teacher who should and shouldn't count. We don't just send whole year groups home unless it is necessary. That's been my experience throughout

That's how it should be, but it's not what's always happened in schools locally here. TNF because in the early days at least, it was so difficult to get through that schools had to take decisions before getting the advice.

In any case when you do speak to them they seem to go along with what the school want. If I say I think it will have to be the whole year, that's what we'll do. If I say I think we can narrow contacts to these six, they'll go with that, they don't do any analysis of who the contacts are, it's bit of a myth that schools get any advice at all.

Some schools have been keener to keep students in school/protect staff and students than others.

@Rae36

test and trace aren't interested in any outdoor contacts

My ds is isolating just now after an outdoor football match last week where a teammate turned out to be positive.
The Scotland team had better do the right thing, I'll be so disappointed in them if they don't.

I doubt its up to the players themselves

If test and trace contact you after you test positive, how do they determine who is a close contact? Is it people you've been with 48 hours before you tested positive?

When I was positive I reported that I'd had my eyebrows done, been to running club and been to a gym class in the 48 hours beforehand. As those are all considered Covid secure environments, no one was contacted to isolate.

So it is those you were in contact with 48 hrs before testing positive?

It was from when I developed symptoms. I got my first symptoms on Sunday evening and they went back to Friday.

Ok thanks