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Kenmore St

77 replies

Brcaml · 13/05/2021 21:37

I was wondering what the general thoughts of the Scotnet users are on the events today?
Sorry in advance if it's been asked already.

Glasgow Live (@Glasgow_Live) Tweeted:
Follow live updates from Kenmure Street, Pollokshields as protesters continue to arrive and block a Home Office van t.co/XM5fM4swgp twitter.com/Glasgow_Live/status/1392821295386144772?s=20

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StarryEyeSurprise · 14/05/2021 13:09

@charliebrown59 Does commenting on GERS / Richard Murphy on this thread make you feel good?

charliebrown59 · 14/05/2021 13:24

Grinpeace and love starry, a Friday joke for you.

MissSM9102 · 14/05/2021 15:29

@Wrennie24 my point indeed, the 3 men are often mistaken for each other by people who think all brown people look the same.

Brcaml · 14/05/2021 15:53

Does anyone know if the SG can help speed up citizenship for immigrants or is it solely a Westminster issue?

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Quincie · 14/05/2021 17:58

East European immigrants weren't very popular where I live when they were allocated scarce council houses. I'm sure they were fully entitled to them - working families with several children. Everyone can be magnanimous when it benefits them personally ( cheap labour, good plumber) not so much when eg schools overcrowded.

forfucksakenett · 14/05/2021 18:18

@Quincie

East European immigrants weren't very popular where I live when they were allocated scarce council houses. I'm sure they were fully entitled to them - working families with several children. Everyone can be magnanimous when it benefits them personally ( cheap labour, good plumber) not so much when eg schools overcrowded.
I'm not really sure what your post means? Are you trying to justify anti immigrant feeling?
SixesAndEights · 14/05/2021 18:22

[quote MissSM9102]@Wrennie24 my point indeed, the 3 men are often mistaken for each other by people who think all brown people look the same.[/quote]
I was totally confused when I was watching the Scottish Parliament elections with Martin Geissler and Glenn Campbell, for hours I was thinking Glenn was presenting it!

Wbeezer · 14/05/2021 18:28

Glen Campbell has a lovely accent, that's how i tell the difference.

StarryEyeSurprise · 20/05/2021 12:57

Jacob Rees-Mogg coldly brushes off SNP MP's concerns over Glasgow dawn raids.

THE Tory leader of the House of Commons brushed off an SNP MP’s concerns over immigration raids in Glasgow, telling her simply the “law must be enforced”.

Alison Thewliss raised the issue in the Chamber after Glasgow protesters surrounded a Home Office van for hours, forcing them to release two men detained in a dawn raid. She called for a Commons debate on the practice use in "civilised society".

This morning it emerged that the Home Office is determined to deport the two men, Lakhvir Singh and Sumit Sehdev, who have lived in Scotland for more than 10 years.

Singh, a mechanic, and Sehdev, a chef, are suspected of overstaying their visas after they were denied leave to remain.

Thewliss, who represents Glasgow Central, told Jacob Rees-Mogg: “Around this time last week the residents of Kenmure Street, Pollokshields, safely and peacefully assembled to prevent a Home Office immigration removal van from leaving. The cry ‘these are our neighbours, let them go’ rang out in the streets for many hours.

“Mr Speaker, I’m still waiting for a response from Home Office ministers as to why they were seeking to remove two of my constituents amidst a pandemic and on Eid al-Fitr. So can we have a debate on the practice of so-called dawn raids, and why they have no place in a civilised society?”

Rees-Mogg simply replied: “Mr Speaker, the law must be enforced.”

After the exchange, Thewliss criticised the “unhelpful response”.

She added that the Home Office “make huge and regular mistakes, and have been criticised for deporting first and asking questions later”.

“Windrush proved that beyond doubt,” she wrote. “And I still see Home Office errors regularly in my constituency casework.”

Speaking to The Times, a Home Office source said of the Kenmure Street men: “They will still be detained and deported at a later date … We will continue to tackle illegal immigration and the harm it causes.”

The UK Government will be likely to face a legal challenge. Robina Qureshi, director of Positive Action in Housing, said she and the organisation are exploring their options against the Home Office.

“They have been living and working peacefully in the community for years and it’s just a matter of not having the right paperwork,” she said. "They are not criminals, they are not costing anybody anything."

florafoxtrot · 20/05/2021 13:27

Completely unsurprising yet totally vile response from Rees Mogg.

Not a bloody thing learnt from Windrush.

StarryEyeSurprise · 20/05/2021 13:39

I know. The two men are working and carry out charity work too. Far greater morals than the mob currently running the UK. Yet they're going to be ripped away from the lives they've created.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 20/05/2021 14:29

I haven’t been following the case closely, but why did they create lives in a country which they had no visa to stay in?

Haudyourwheesht · 20/05/2021 19:11

@Iwouldratherbesailing

I haven’t been following the case closely, but why did they create lives in a country which they had no visa to stay in?

Maybe follow the case more closely and then you might know.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 20/05/2021 19:37

All I can see is that they are from India - not a war torn country - and their visas have run out - one of them 5 years ago. I have absolutely no objection to them being sent home.

If I went to India and outstayed my visa I would 100% expect the same treatment.

StarryEyeSurprise · 25/05/2021 19:58

Just when you think the UK Gov couldn't sink any lower. Protesters were protecting 'murderers and rapists.' Confused

www.ft.com/content/2b1a06a1-da1f-4b2e-bd21-826c3cec7d85?shareType=nongift

MsBarbaryBriefly · 26/05/2021 00:19

[quote StarryEyeSurprise]Just when you think the UK Gov couldn't sink any lower. Protesters were protecting 'murderers and rapists.' Confused

www.ft.com/content/2b1a06a1-da1f-4b2e-bd21-826c3cec7d85?shareType=nongift[/quote]
The article is behind a paywall. Are you suggesting that she is saying the men in Glasgow were "murderers and rapists"?

Or does the article refer back to previous incidents when actions of demonstrators did indeed prevent the deportation of convicted murderers and rapists?

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jamaica-deportation-rape-crime-murder-home-office-immigration-b138825.html

Do you think any country should have no right to deport foreign nationals convicted of serious crimes?

In the case of these men do you think if you apply for a short term visa to work or study in another country you should be allowed to ignore the rules and stay because it suits you?

StarryEyeSurprise · 26/05/2021 07:08

I canink the full article later. She knew exactly what she was doing in her speech a couple of days after the high profile protests in Glasgow. If people don't have knowledge of why the men were being deported ( incorrect paperwork I believe) they could well take from her speech that the two men were criminals.

From the article -
Patel over the weekend told SkyNews it was a “sorry state of affairs” that “nationalists in Scotland” were trying to “thwart the safety and security of the British public”.

This language is hardly helpful either.

MsBarbaryBriefly · 26/05/2021 08:39

I see you're avoiding the question

Do you think if you go to another country on a short term visa you should be able to stay after it expires?

Ianrankinfan · 26/05/2021 08:45

@MsBarbaryBriefly

I see you're avoiding the question

Do you think if you go to another country on a short term visa you should be able to stay after it expires?

@MsBarbaryBriefly. Very good question. I don’t think people should be allowed to pick and choose which laws they obey. What do you think Starry. ?
florafoxtrot · 26/05/2021 08:50

Why are you so aggressive @MsBarbaryBriefly?

The implication from Priti Patel in her keynote speech was very much that the men on Kenmore Street were dangerous criminals - this is not the case - but it plays beautifully into the anti-foreigner rhetoric espoused by the UK Government and perpetuated by MSM.

I am not saying that there should be absolutely no immigration policy - I am saying that dawn raids are unnecessary, barbaric and are not proportionate to the infringement of a visa.

StarryEyeSurprise · 26/05/2021 13:00

You are a hypocrite Miss Barbary. These men carried out charity work and were employed. They were represented by a well respected Human Rights lawyer . You have written in posts about your fears for your children being able to love to London for employment in an independent Scosnd. Yet you don't feel that these men deserve to live in Scotland? That is correct, yes? They've lived here for ten years but because they do not have the correct paperwork (all a visa is) they should not be allowed to live here anymore. I don't view anyone as illegal solely due to where they were born. It's sad that people are justifying the UK Government's ethos of a hostile environment for those not born here.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 26/05/2021 14:24

The entire world would be allowed to come and live here but for the right paperwork. Do we want that? I’d rather we had a planned immigration system that recruited for the skills we need in this country. If these men didn’t have the correct visas, were they paying tax while working. I very much doubt it. And yes, picking and choosing which laws to follow is very dangerous indeed.

MsBarbaryBriefly · 26/05/2021 15:47

You have written in posts about your fears for your children being able to love to London for employment in an independent Scosnd

Eh? What on earth are you on about? I most certainly have not written anything of the kind. You are confusing me with someone else. I don't even have "children".

Whether these men carried out charity work is irrelevant. They either come here legally and comply with the legal requirements to be here, or if they don't , then they leave.

MsBarbaryBriefly · 26/05/2021 16:09

They've lived here for ten years but because they do not have the correct paperwork (all a visa is) they should not be allowed to live here anymore. I don't view anyone as illegal solely due to where they were born. It's sad that people are justifying the UK Government's ethos of a hostile environment for those not born here

Is there any country in the world which allows anyone, for any reason, to pitch up and stay there permanently without going through the immigration process?

India is not at war. It's not a country I would want to live in but it's not a hell hole of human rights abuse either.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 26/05/2021 16:24

It seems the SNP just want to make out that they are the ‘good’ guys in this argument but that’s not how running a country works. They are like the weak parent that undermines the responsible parent by feeding their kids sweets and letting them stay up late. At some stage they need to realise that the rules are there for a reason and it’s in everyone’s best interest if they are followed.