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Why is the Alba party pronounced Alaba?

85 replies

ssd · 05/05/2021 18:24

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EvilOnion · 05/05/2021 18:30

Alba (Alaba) is old Scots Gaelic for Scotland.

RedactedTaeFeck · 05/05/2021 19:16

Interestingly it was actually the name used for Britain prior to it becoming more predominately used just for Scotland.

No idea why they are pronouncing it like that if they aren't Gaelic speakers though.

EachDubh · 05/05/2021 20:35

Albion was the name for Britain was it not?

RedactedTaeFeck · 05/05/2021 20:36

And Alba was derived from that.

Helspopje · 05/05/2021 20:37

Because that’s how you say it

FeistySheep · 05/05/2021 20:43

Because it's a Gaelic word and that's how you say it. Gaelic has 'extra' vowels in some places (I forget the technical term for them). It's the same as when many Scottish people say film - sounds like filum.

Bloodypunkrockers · 05/05/2021 21:11

I would pronounce it more like a cross between Alapa and Alaba.

TheRealMrsJamieFraser · 05/05/2021 21:13

@Helspopje

Because that’s how you say it
This ^
forfucksakenett · 05/05/2021 21:21

There's a Scottish poet lady on Twitter and Tik Tok who was talking about the word for the extra vowel we use. Totally fascinating!

They were getting a lot of stick for not pronouncing it correctly which is fair enough. If you are going to use a Gaelic word you should probably pronounce it correctly. (Says me who has pronounced it incorrectly ever since I first heard it 😃)

GreenChips · 05/05/2021 22:06

Is it not alapa?

doodlejump1980 · 05/05/2021 22:08

It’s not. It’s alapa

ssd · 05/05/2021 22:13

It sounds like alapa. Oh well.

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SoMuchForSummerLove · 06/05/2021 09:46

Alapa?? I had no idea.

I'm going to venture that it's not the best idea to use a name that most people won't know the correct pronunciation of.

Seeingadistance · 06/05/2021 10:07

The fact that most people don’t know how to pronounce it simply highlights the farce of using Gaelic on signs, public documents and vehicles throughout Scotland!

OwlDoll · 06/05/2021 10:09

Well you know the correct pronunciation now!
It's not exactly difficult.

SoMuchForSummerLove · 06/05/2021 10:20

I didn't say it was difficult. I said it seems an odd choice to use a word that 99% of the population will pronounce incorrectly, i.e. phonetically.

It feels like a William Wallace let's paint our faces blue shticky backwards-looking outdated choice to me.

SD1978 · 06/05/2021 10:30

As others have said, because that's how it's pronounced. Will be mispronounced by many people outside of Scotland, just like Barcelona is by many. It doesn't bother me people will mispronounce it, but equally if you know the correct way to say it, it's a tad more polite to use it. And as a scot who randomly inserts extra vowels in many words (Arum for arm, Farum for Farm, Burun for burn- usually misheard as button) it's a long standing Scottish thing for some of us.....

Itwasjustresting · 06/05/2021 10:50

Are parties arranged alphabetically on the list ballot? They probably wanted a name that started with A...

SoMuchForSummerLove · 06/05/2021 10:51

Well of course it's polite, I don't think anyone said otherwise. My point is that most people will get it wrong though, so it's a daft choice.

SageHoney · 06/05/2021 10:58

I've heard Alba candidates use it both ways - Alba, Al-ah-pah (or Ahhhhl-pah). I'd say it the first way in English, second way in Gaelic. Why not let people pronounce it how they see fit?

StarryEyeSurprise · 06/05/2021 11:12

@SoMuchForSummerLove

I didn't say it was difficult. I said it seems an odd choice to use a word that 99% of the population will pronounce incorrectly, i.e. phonetically.

It feels like a William Wallace let's paint our faces blue shticky backwards-looking outdated choice to me.

Quite sad you feel this way. Of course, our Irish and Welsh cousins speak their language and it's not viewed as 'backwards- looking'.

I have 5 young, fluent speakers in my family and it's lovely listening to them chat to each other and sometimes, to others they meet.

TheDuckSaysMoo · 06/05/2021 11:15

Oh I hadn't connected the extra vowels (filum etc.) with Gaelic before. That makes sense.

SoupDragon · 06/05/2021 11:15

I had no idea it wasn't pronounced Al ba as I've only seen it written down.

Every day's a school day!

LadyJaye · 06/05/2021 11:17

I'm a native Gaelic speaker.

I appreciate I'm a minority, even as a Scot, but I find terms such as 'backwards-looking' and 'outdated' quite offensive, TBH.

Do you make a habit of telling other minority language speakers that their native tongue is 'wrong'?

RJnomore1 · 06/05/2021 11:18

But much of scotland never spoke Gaelic. I’m a low lander and I object to having a language forced on me at great signage expense which is not my native Scots tongue. Which I am rather proud of!