Why is the Alba party pronounced Alaba?

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I've only seen or heard it pronounced Alba. I also know someone with this as a first name and she pronounces it Alba.

Fil-um for film I thought was just a dialect thing as my accent would say film with one syllable.

@LadyJaye

I'm a native Gaelic speaker.

I appreciate I'm a minority, even as a Scot, but I find terms such as 'backwards-looking' and 'outdated' quite offensive, TBH.

Do you make a habit of telling other minority language speakers that their native tongue is 'wrong'?

Oh please. That's not what I said at all.

What I was saying is that it feels chosen to appeal to the William Wallace chestbeating independence or die paint-my-face-blue on the indy march base. It doesn't seem that they're really trying to widen the base in any way.

And don't put 'wrong' in quote marks as if you're quoting me, because you're not. Yet another thread on here that descends pointlessly into an argument.

@RJnomore1

But much of scotland never spoke Gaelic. I’m a low lander and I object to having a language forced on me at great signage expense which is not my native Scots tongue. Which I am rather proud of!

Sorry but this is wrong Gaelic was spoken across Scotland.

I've learnt something new today! Never heard anyone say it.

Is this why film becomes fillum in Ireland?

@LadyJaye politely disagreed with you @SoMuchForSummerLove. That’s not exactly pointlessly descending into an agreement.

If you can’t cope with disagreement you are not going to like it here on MN.

I think I'll cope seeing as I've been on MN about 12 years. I just think it's getting quicker and quicker for every thread to descend into nitpicking and wilful misreading so that people can get all outraged over nothing. It's boring.

I always thought it was Al(a)ba. The middle a being almost a pause or a whisper and the b really close to p.

Or, if you think they are a bunch of clowns led by s trumpian soviet supporter, pronounce it Alber.

Cos it’s wank fake Gaelic pronunciation

@WouldBeGood

Cos it’s wank fake Gaelic pronunciation

I kinda thought that myself.

Starry do you have a link that I can follow up re Gaelic being spoken across the whole of Scotland, please?

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Starry do you have a link that I can follow up re Gaelic being spoken across the whole of Scotland, please?

There are nearly 90,000 Gaelic speakers in Scotland and about 60 Gaelic schools in Scotland with kids learning the language. I don't think there's a link that will tell you their addresses but I do think it's safe to assume that they are somewhat spread throughout Scotland.

That's not what StarryEyed claimed. The claim was that historically it was spoken across Scotland.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

I think I'll cope seeing as I've been on MN about 12 years. I just think it's getting quicker and quicker for every thread to descend into nitpicking and wilful misreading so that people can get all outraged over nothing. It's boring.

I think being told that my native language - and that of many others - is outdated isn't getting 'all outraged over nothing' (please note I was very careful to quote you verbatim there. Is 'verbatim' okay, or is Latin also an outdated language?).

I'm pretty resilient in general, but yeah, I do choose to take this personally. Sorry if that offends you.

@BlackForestCake emmm I'm no expert but a quick google suggests that is entirely accurate.

So that nationalist can have another thing to be wanky about.

@GintyMcGinty

So that nationalist can have another thing to be wanky about.

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You're still sticking with your entirely wrong reading of my post though, even though I've explained what I meant in a subsequent post.

Forgive me if I don't engage any longer. If you can't read my posts I won't bother with yours.

@RJnomore1

But much of scotland never spoke Gaelic. I’m a low lander and I object to having a language forced on me at great signage expense which is not my native Scots tongue. Which I am rather proud of!

How is it forced on you?

And please don't just say "signage expense" - we know that the rule is that signs due to be replaced will have Gaelic as well as English - are the few extra letters that expensive? If you want Scots on the signs too, I'd support that - but people have to campaign for it and demonstrate an interest, as was done with Gaelic.

And I'd add - sure, the native peoples of the land that is now Glasgow or Edinburgh might not have spoken Gaelic - but because those are the population centres of Scotland now, there are now many Gaelic speakers there.

It costs pennies, and Gaelic speakers have every right to see their language publicly represented given that they pay taxes like anyone else.

'It was never spoke here' is untrue. It's simply a matter of how far back you are willing to go.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

It costs pennies, and Gaelic speakers have every right to see their language publicly represented given that they pay taxes like anyone else.

'It was never spoke here' is untrue. It's simply a matter of how far back you are willing to go.

This exactly.

So much ignorance on display on this thread. Totally agree with @LadyJaye

Whether it’s pronounced alaba or alapa depends I’m on whereabouts you’re from. b and p have very similar sounds in the word Alba and it just depends on the emphasis being made and the accent used.

I get so irritated when I read/hear people say Gaelic should be ignored as irrelevant. It’s a language like any other. It was spoken all over Scotland, some places in wee pockets other places it was prevalent. The same argument is made against auld scots too, criticising that it’s slang and improper speech and kids having it hounded out of them at school as if they should be ashamed of it.

I wonder if the same critics discuss the creeping Americanisation of the English language or welcome that too?

Well I like a lot of American English; the spellings are more logical and feel somehow 'nearer' to me, and there's no replacement for 'y'all' apart from maybe 'youse lot'

I'm not sure what that's got to do with it though. I don't give a monkeys about the Gaelic debate though, I was just commenting on it as a choice of name for what they'll want to be a household brand.

Salmond doesn't give a toss about the Gaelic language. It does feel like he's kind of using the word Alba to attract the Braveheart saltire waving tartan clad bams.

just like Barcelona is by many
Most British people I have heard saying Barcelona say it almost correctly, as someone from Barcelona would, with the c sounding like s as per the Catalan pronunciation. The - ona bit probably isn't quite right but the rest is.