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Fed up of snp. Won’t vote Tory.

139 replies

museumum · 16/04/2021 18:51

What do I do?

I’m actually quite ambivalent about independence and can see pros and cons on both sides. But I fear the snp will always be in power unless we do get it.

I feel they’ve been in power long enough without delivering on equality poverty or education. At the very least I’d like to see them with a far smaller majority.

But who the hell can I vote for? It feels like both Labour and Lib Dem are lost causes.

I’ve never felt so disengaged Sad

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pourqouimoi · 19/04/2021 15:34

Radfems*

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/04/2021 15:40

Alba are not anti-trans. Confused

Don't think the Tories are particularly either.

Sharonthecat · 19/04/2021 15:54

Unenthusiastic Labour voter here.

I don't want to see the SNP with a majority, and in my opinion, Labour are the the best of a bad bunch remaining. I'm interested to see how Anas does.

annabelindajane · 19/04/2021 19:16

Thank you Hirples - shocking isn’t it? Must learn how to link 😊

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/04/2021 19:23

I take vicarious pleasure in his reader stats. 😎

WouldBeGood · 19/04/2021 20:58

I quite like Labour’s policies and positive campaign. Not constitutional bollocks.

So I think I’ll vote for them.

doubletrouble20 · 20/04/2021 11:43

I am fed up with Scottish politics tbh - fed up the SNP and like you can't bring myself to vote Tory, but thankfully my seat is an SNP/LAB race, so while Labour really need to up their game, they will get my vote.
I was against Indy in the ref, but like you could see arguments on both sides. I am probably MORE against it now than I was as I am SO FED UP with the fact that it hasn't been settled at all following the ref... it just feels like until we end up with Indy it's all the SNP seem to care about, while Education etc is a mess. Sad

mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 20/04/2021 13:55

I will be voting Labour for the first time - cannot stand the SNP candidate- he’s a horrible, arrogant man only interested in independence and nothing else.

BettysCardigan · 20/04/2021 15:19

I feel completely lost for the first time ever.

I am pro-indy but I just don't think I can vote for the SNP, given the HCB and the unbelievable 'rapists can identify as women' craven bollocks.

Labour aren't really any better on these issues. The Greens, don't even get me started. I don't want to vote for Alex Salmond, I will never vote Conservative.

Leaves me precisely nowhere I think.

BettysCardigan · 20/04/2021 15:26

Then again, this 'you can't have a legal or an illegal referendum in Scotland because I don't want one' shite makes me want to go both votes SNP.

twitter.com/i/status/1384208872789876744

ScotlandUnited · 20/04/2021 18:43

I worry about Labour's 'no return to old arguments' stance. It could be a smart position that will win them votes, but it means I don't really know where they stand on certain issues.

It's all very well being neutral but will happen after the election? Will they then be 'open' to another referendum or be more firm against it? And they seem to be going along with the whole TWAW and HCB shite. There are lots of overly woke members in the Labour party.

I wonder if Anas is going along with the woke trend but inwardly thinking nope. He could be playing the game to win votes but never fully commit either way. Who knows.

I don't think they are clear enough on some issues, at least the conservatives are solid anti independence, and SNP solid for independence.

Here it is SNP/Labour so I will vote Labour even if their seemingly neutral stance makes me uncomfortable.

BettysCardigan · 20/04/2021 18:44

I agree. I've no clear idea what Labour really stand for any more 🤷🏻‍♀️

I could find out but as they're no better than the SNP on women's issues and don't support independence they don't feel like an alternative for me.

Gahhhhhhhh

WouldBeGood · 20/04/2021 18:50

I think Scottish Labour are less ideologically committed to the TWAW stuff, and some of their MSPs have been great. There’s not the same control freakery the SNP leadership had on this.

Anas Sarwar said he is not in support of gender neutral toilets in schools too. And spoke really well on dealing with the the drugs deaths issue.

I love that they’re not obsessed by constitutional issues. Actual policies are so refreshing along with a refusal to engage in the usual bollocks

riverrunning · 20/04/2021 19:02

Have to agree - the SNP only have Joanna Cherry afaik who've stood up for women whereas labour has allowed significant dissent so I'll be taking a look at the particular labour candidate for my area and their views.

BettysCardigan · 20/04/2021 19:07

Mmm that's interesting.

I just don't know how to balance independence and women. I can't vote for both.

forfucksakenett · 20/04/2021 20:32

@riverrunning

Have to agree - the SNP only have Joanna Cherry afaik who've stood up for women whereas labour has allowed significant dissent so I'll be taking a look at the particular labour candidate for my area and their views.
Joan McAlpine
StarryEyeSurprise · 20/04/2021 22:09

[quote BettysCardigan]Then again, this 'you can't have a legal or an illegal referendum in Scotland because I don't want one' shite makes me want to go both votes SNP.

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This has just popped up on one of the groups I'm on. What a powerful letter.

Saturday, January 18, 2020
AN OPEN LETTER TO LISA NANDY MP
Dear Lisa
I have just watched your interview with Andrew Neil and I am absolutely furious: furious enough to slam a few words down on paper in the form of this open letter.
Some background. I was born and raised a few miles up the road from the constituency you now represent – Blackburn. In 1989 I became the white half of a mixed race couple. Soon we had two brown boys and by the mid 90's it was abundantly clear Blackburn was no place to raise two mixed race boys. A septic tide of racism was starting to seep into every brick of the town and the BNP were strutting their stuff. So we ran. We fled a hundred miles north up the M6 and found ourselves a new future in Scotland.
I never felt English, but after twenty five years I feel very Scottish. They call us New Scots up here. And being a New Scot has meant my two boys have had the chance to grow up in a country where racism barely exists. The BNP never managed more than 1% up here. UKIP and the Brexit Party never made it past 4%.
How dare you make up fairytales about "narrow, divisive Nationalism."? And how dare you criticise the Scottish Government for a record which you describe as "frankly appalling."? I think it is time for a few home truths. We still regularly visit my wife's family who live in Lancaster. When they need to see the GP they have to wait over a month for an appointment. We get one in no more than two days. When they pick up their prescriptions, they pay through the nose. Ours are free. When they park up at the hospital, they pay through the nose. When we park it is free. When my nieces and nephews look to university, they have to get their heads around the idea of living with a minimum of £30,000 of debt. If they lived up here, it would be free. English prisons are overcrowded to boiling point, Dumfries Prison is seldom more than 70% full. At eight o'clock in the morning in Lancaster almost every shop doorway is home to a homeless person. In Dumfries there is not a single one.
And I know about this stuff by the way – I manage the region's largest food bank. A few months back I handed out a food parcel to a young lad who had been made homeless in Manchester. After a few weeks on the streets, he decided to make use of his last worthwhile possession – his bike. He hit the road and headed north. He stopped at town after town to apply for a bed for the night and he was turned away every time – Wigan, Blackburn, Preston, Lancaster, Kendal, Penrith, Carlisle.... until he crossed the border. Into Scotland. And when he applied for homeless accommodation in Dumfries, he was given a room for the night straight away. So how dare you take to the airwaves to accuse my Government of a "frankly appalling record."
However, that statement pales into insignificance in comparison to what you had to say about our demands for a second Independence referendum. You actually suggested the UK should look to other countries for some clues on how to deal with "narrow, divisive" nationalism. And you actually cited Spain's handling of Catalonia as a shining example.
As a New Scot, I have come to be a fervent supporter of the dream of independence. In the 2014 referendum I took the 'Yes' side in many debates. Over the years, I have written lots of blogs on the subject and nearly a million readers have read them. I guess it is fair to say I wear my heart on my sleeve. I am allowed to do this because I still live in a country where free speech is still allowed and tolerated. And every time I post a blog, I feel lucky and take a moment to remember all those who paid a heavy price for fighting to free their nations from the rule of London.
In Ireland. In India. In Aden. In Israel. In Kenya. In Ghana.
It's a long, long list. A shameful litany of imprisonment and beatings for those who dared to defy their London masters.
You seem impressed by the Spanish Government's handling of the Catalonian Independence movement. Well, I'm not. If I was posting my blog in Catalonia, I would be in prison by now. And if I had joined a march for independence, I would have been beaten within an inch of my life by Spanish riot police. And by now, my leaders would either be living in exile or imprisoned for years. And this is how you think the likes of me should be treated? This is the shining example of good practice you feel the Westminster Government should aspire to? Well, shame on you Lisa Nandy.
No wonder your party is down to one MP in Scotland.
Mark Frankland
New Scot
January 2020

BettysCardigan · 20/04/2021 22:56

Wow Shock that's quite a letter!

reprehensibleme · 21/04/2021 07:09

Hmm that letter has more holes than ma granny's colander, but let's not let the truth stand in the way of a bit of hyperbole, eh?

WeAreAllCompletelyFine · 21/04/2021 07:16

That letter is complete drivel Confused

I'm an ABS voter - anyone but SNP. I'm staunchly anti-indy. That means I'm tactically voting Labour where I am. There's no party I can actively support just now though.

Bytheloch · 21/04/2021 08:13

Mark, a self-declared ‘New Scot’ must be fun at parties...Hmm What other ‘placed’ drivel has your cul-de-sac of content groups spewed out recently?

Stirling folk- Tory for candidate and Labour for the list, is the method to vote against SNP here.
The First Mammy must be a little worried about her seat if they’ve rolled out the anti-Labour chat already

HappydaysArehere · 21/04/2021 08:29

We live in greaterLondon and have similar dilemmas. Used to vote with some conviction but that has dissipated since the days of Corbyn (shudder) and Johnson (laugh/cry). What to do? Liberals do not inspire, independents are usually a protest or despairing vote. Keir Starmer has gradually reduced the militant left but hope is on the horizon as his time progresses as opposition leader. Personally our favourite politician in Scotland is Ruth Davies but she doesn’t want the top job which is a shame. Wish she was down our way as we would snap her up.

Babdoc · 21/04/2021 09:24

I will be voting Conservative. I live in a Tory/SNP marginal constituency and every vote matters, to try and prevent another divisive referendum.
I think a lot of people’s stance on “never voting Tory” is silly emotionalism, or based on disliking individual personalities such as Boris Johnson.
The Tories played an absolute blinder on getting us a vaccine deal - they recognised the importance of piling in fast with vaccine orders and investment, even before the trials were concluded. Compared to the utter fiasco in the EU, who are still playing catch up.
Tory policies for Scotland include significant investment in the NHS - I should point out that Sturgeon is only projecting 2.5% in real terms next year, compared to the Tories 3.4% for England, so the SNP are certainly not the defenders of the NHS they claim to be.
The Tories have a far better record on the economy and business than the SNP.
Did you know that Scotland had the fewest new business start ups per head, in the whole UK? Without thriving businesses paying tax, an independent Scotland would be poverty struck without the English subsidy via the Barnett formula.
The SNP have failed on education- during their 14 years in office, Scotland has plummeted down the international league tables. England by contrast has improved under the Torys.

The SNP has also thrown women’s rights under the bus to appease trans activists. Male rapists who claim to identify as women will now be placed in women’s prisons. Ditto access for men to any women’s single sex spaces such as communal changing rooms and showers.
I would vote tactically for whichever anti independence party was best placed to kick out the SNP, but I am happy that, in my area, that is the Tories.

BettysCardigan · 21/04/2021 10:14

I definitely think he's making up the 'New Scots' thing. I've never heard anyone use that term, I'd think it was quite rude if they did.

WouldBeGood · 21/04/2021 10:15

Mark Frankland is bonkers