Ding Ding Ding! Round 5 Salmond and Sturgeon

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I'm not sure if he's still standing for AFI? He was then wasn't & I think is still being punted as one of their candidates.

I had heard that the Murrell-Sturgeons had a super injunction in England which was being respected in Scotland.

But just allegedly.

@SempreSuiGeneris

This is pretty much on point.

www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/opinion/columnists/alex-bell/3001420/alex-bell-scotland-shown-to-be-in-a-rotten-state-as-gang-ethos-takes-over-government/

"If bullying is part of the problem, then the SNP has nowhere to hide. Scotland has been politically bullied over the past decade. It’s not poverty, the NHS, education or economic growth that matters, but the universal fix of indy."

..."Sturgeon gets to stay on and fight an election, which she’ll probably win, but the whole episode shows Scotland to be in a rotten state.

Loyalty to the first minister trumps the values of accountability and responsibility. The gang ethos prevails."

..."Yet Sturgeon says top civil servant Leslie Evans will stay on and Sturgeon’s husband will remain as head of the SNP. What was a clear conflict of interest when she became first minister and Peter Murrell was chief executive of the party continues.

To the supporting cast of officials, special advisers, people in the Crown Office, Police Scotland and so on, there shall be no recriminations, so long as they all stay loyal to the firm.

And to the core legacy of Salmond’s dominant style, that we don’t need details on indy, just to know it will all be fine, there is still not a squeak of a challenge.

This is government by gang. Scotland the victim."

That's a pretty good summary isn't it?

All the rot uncovered by the enquiry into the handling of harassment complaints and everything carries on as normal, only now we have the hate crime bill to contend with. I expect the crown office to be run off its feet pretty soon.

SI England
interdict Scotland

There is no compulsion on English Media (or media anywhere else) to maintain a Scottish interdict, and conversely Scottish media don’t need to maintain an SI. Indeed Scottish media has breached English SI in past

I’d imagine if journalists had compelling,salacious or whatever story that bore well under scrutiny they’d release it

This sums up everything I think:

"It suited many of these people to stay silent to get where they are today. It then suited them to point the finger at Salmond in the Me Too era. As it now suits them to pose as champions of decency. But Scotland as a model of fair and reasonable public discourse, of balanced democratic debate, of equitable government? Aye right."

It's interesting how that piece focuses on bullying. Sturgeon certainly has a tolerance of that behaviour from within her own party, when it targets someone perceived as a rival. It still appalls me how sturgeon says absolutely nothing about the misogynistic abuse that's rampant from a particular (pet) group within her party, even when one member pleads guilty to making serious & credible threats against a sitting MP.

It's been a serious failing of the MSM that no one has questioned her on this. Not even a conviction cracks the facade.

I'm going to guess that there is no super injunction.

More desperation at undermining someone through rumour I'd guess.

I first heard about the alleged “interdict” 2 years ago .
Personally more concerned about false rape allegations and corrupt governance than names . We used to have a saying about that in the playground . That piece from the Times sums it all up . But what to do , there’s no opposition and I see child poverty has now risen to 24 pc in Scotland which means many underlying issues are not being addressed.
Trans gender more interesting and vote appealing no doubt.

I agree with the dodginess of the CM dates. If it's been put back because of purdah, why? It's a legal (criminal?) case- not based on what his beliefs are, but because he (allegedly? Or don't we have to say that now? ) demonstrated contempt of court. The sentence should be based on that, and it's severity, surely, and not related to anything party political. That is pretty shocking treatment of him, given how long he had to wait for the verdict. It may be that there is a standard delay of 6 weeks between judgement and sentencing, but it does seem very convenient - and I'd have thought CM or his lawyers would have been aware of that if so.

I can't say I'm too bothered by any private life revelations, as long as everyone in a relationship is aware and happy with it! I don't think we the public really have any right to know the ins and outs of politicians relationships (unless they're blatantly immoral or potentially illegal). Much as I often fancy a nosy around their homes. I can see the PM/ NS relationship being awkward in terms of their respective roles in the party, and they would have to work extra hard to ensure that is all above board (which it appears they haven't) - but the mere fact of the relationship I don't think is dodgy. And if it is a marriage of convenience and they want to keep it that way, fair enough. Hardly a novelty in Scotland to have party leaders who don't conform to the traditional married-two-kids norm, though!

*annabellibdajane I agree but this seems to get ignored when we can focus on calling NS Mrs Murrell which is much more important.

I’d say there’s no interdict or SI. If there were it’d be ammunition to attack FM

But I expect chat rooms and forums are repeating paranoid and conspiratorial theories about it

Meanwhile in RL Ms Sturgeon has an overall positive approval rating with public
I’m sure someone will rock up and claim the public are
sheep
Deluded
Beholden to the cult
Prevented from knowing the facts
Blah blah

On both sides there are individuals getting all aerated and worked up whether it is pro or anti SNP, and they bear no relation to what regular ordinary folk are thinking,doing

The frothers are all in an introspective bubble. They hear,see what affirms their opinion anyway. Any opinion to contrary is dismissed,disputed

I can see the PM/ NS relationship being awkward in terms of their respective roles in the party, and they would have to work extra hard to ensure that is all above board (which it appears they haven't)

I'd say the same - the only relevance of their relationship is where it impacts or affects the public roles they hold. ACH had a real bee in his bunnet over their marriage & how they talked or didn't about what was going on. I could see his point over the bombshell that unknown behaviour being made known to sturgeon but I don't think anyone buys into the claim neither of them has a clue about his reputation or had any inkling of what he was like.

It's the tripping over from 'difficult' & 'bully' to 'sexual harassment' that's striking. And the only relevance of their relationship is how they both handled that in terms of what took place. Given that Murrell was orchestrating his own senior staff to 'encourage' complaints & continued to try and suborn witnesses to make complaints when the police had opened their investigation, id say the reaction to the allegations wasn't measured or reasonable. And most couples, especially in PM/NS positions within the party AS was still a member of, would have had a discussion. But they apparently never did, and sturgeon was oblivious to everything that went on around her.

As you say, it's happening on both 'sides' - Pro SNP/independence supporters will not admit that there are some concerning things happening in Scottish politics.

@forfucksakenett

I'm going to guess that there is no super injunction.

More desperation at undermining someone through rumour I'd guess.

The whole point about a super injunction is that you're not allowed to report that it exists.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-injunctions_in_English_law

If I believed that a rape allegation brought against me had been completely fabricated for political purposes I doubt I would feel inclined to quietly sit down and shut up about it.

he's had his court victory plus two inquiries that, while have shown mistakes, don't prove anything like the 'stitch'up' he's claimed. what does he want other than to drag on the trauma for claimants for ever and ever

There’s a real self congratulatory aren’t we sooo clever theme on this thread. An echo chamber were you only seek affirmation and agreement
Only those opposing the FM and SNP can see what’s actually going on

Note the posts discussing
Mushroom management .
Scottish People are treated like plebs. Kept in the dark and fed shit

oh I see treated like plebs?but cannot see it. Only the super duper clever folk here can see it. Ohhh that figures.

Here’s another of the I’m so clever, everyone else is thick
I saw this on twitter & I think this sums up where we currently are:
Postcards of Wisdom - Death of a free society by a political party in epitome: 'The People Are The Problem

I read it as depressed.

A lot of Indy supporters are concerned about the corruption within the SNP.

@OhBuggerandArse thanks for that Wikipedia link. I'm aware what it is.

I believe people are gossiping about there being one and it's being perpetuated and repeated on social media and sites like this to keep the idea that there's 'something going on'. It's my opinion that there's no interdict or SI. I know they wouldn't be reported about in the media.

Is it not the case also that an MP can, in Parliament, reveal the details of a SI? I'd be very surprised if there was one in place and an MP hadn't done this if that was the case. I genuinely don't know if this is true but I remember an MP naming Ryan Giggs in Parliament when he was protected from the media by an SI.

It has been the case in the past that super injunctions being gossiped about have been proved to exist. Who knows?

It certainly appears clear that the Murrell-Sturgeon marriage is probably not as it seems. And is not widely known about which is strange. As I said before, I am not a fan of those who are not what they purport to be.

I don't think that there'd be a compelling reason to reveal the details in Parliament if they are purely about the relationships. Arguably, re. alleged assault and police involvement, there might be more of a case but it would all be pretty sordid and I don't think there'd be much appetite for that.

Financial irregularity, on the other hand, is absolutely in the public interest to disclose, and there's a legitimate supposition that one of the reasons that Peter Murrell wouldn't show the audit committee the SNP books (leading to the resignation of three of the auditors) was that they'd reveal the extent of the legal fees that have been paid out recently, and that might raise questions as to what they had been for - interdicts, etc, among them.

Having just checked (feel free to judge me) the house ownership doesn’t support the rumour. As I’ve said I do think it’s probably made up. But it could be based on something underlying that’s less salacious and involves fewer celebrities!

I do want to know more about the audit committee business.

@WouldBeGood

It has been the case in the past that super injunctions being gossiped about have been proved to exist. Who knows?

It certainly appears clear that the Murrell-Sturgeon marriage is probably not as it seems. And is not widely known about which is strange. As I said before, I am not a fan of those who are not what they purport to be.

I don't think anyone's marriage is your business to be honest is it really? How can it not be what it seems if,by your own admission, people don't know much about it? Schrödinger's marriage?

Im sure they have but I'd be very very surprised if there was one in this case.

@OhBuggerandArse

I don't think that there'd be a compelling reason to reveal the details in Parliament if they are purely about the relationships. Arguably, re. alleged assault and police involvement, there might be more of a case but it would all be pretty sordid and I don't think there'd be much appetite for that.

Financial irregularity, on the other hand, is absolutely in the public interest to disclose, and there's a legitimate supposition that one of the reasons that Peter Murrell wouldn't show the audit committee the SNP books (leading to the resignation of three of the auditors) was that they'd reveal the extent of the legal fees that have been paid out recently, and that might raise questions as to what they had been for - interdicts, etc, among them.

I'm pretty sure Ryan Giggs was just shagging his brothers wife. I have no idea why the MP revealed it. Genuinely! Also slightly concerned I may have imagined it. Will need to google and check.

It makes sense as you say for them to reveal it if there was a pressing public need but if the above is true then that clearly that is not always the case.

It certainly appears clear Murrell-Sturgeon marriage is not as it seems. and is not widely known about which is strange

Lol, what conspiratorial tosh

Not widely known about. ⬅️Because no one cares

Unless you can bring me Irrefutable proof that Ms Sturgeon has a wotsits fetish and likes to be called Talulah at home I’m not interested. Being called Talulah whilst eating your body weight in wotsits, Now That’d pique my interest and for sure it’d be known about

Lame gossip . Piques no one interest. That’s why the rumour is not widely know because it’s boring and a bit who cares..