Salmond v Sturgeon Round 3 — Comment along with Sturgeon

[PolkadotsAndMoonbeams]

Previous thread here.

I'm losing the will here.

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@PolkadotsAndMoonbeams

I think you're right WaxOn. But it's really unhelpful that they won't name them in their actual jobs, when it's irrelevant to the complaints — I think that's far more likely to be identifiable!

The problem, as I understand it, is that there are some articles from around the time of the trial which say that a complainant was involved in certain meetings. So if they used the complainants name, even without saying they are a complainant, then someone could "complete the jigsaw" and identify them.

By allowing evidence to remain up unredacted for long enough for it to be seen by tens of thousands and archived in umpteen places then redacting it I would personally say they have probably made it far worse than the possible jigsaw, but that is their decision.

Ok, thank you Amortentia, I hadn't realised that. They're referencing so many people they can't name it's quite difficult to keep up!

Is she still doing a Covid briefing later? She looks shattered.

@QuentinWinters

Thank you. I agree with kurtrussell too - if NS had done not much with the AS complaints and they were upheld, she'd be accused of covering up for her mate. She was in a very difficult position whichever action she took.

Exactly. She's acted with integrity. Cost a 30 year friendship but sometimes doing the right thing is worth more.

Just wondering if NS inability to recollect the conversation on 2nd April was due to having a few drinks? It being a friend’s birthday given as part of her excuse (although she may be teetotal, I’ve no idea)

@daisyfraser

She just has utter contempt for the committee and the people of Scotland. Very sad so many Scots believe in her and back her

I'm wondering who your political party is Daisy? Don't need to say of course.

I'm afraid you will have to believe it because that's what the jury decided.

Except for the bits he actually admitted to, you mean?

@TomorrowIsAnotherDae

Just wondering if NS inability to recollect the conversation on 2nd April was due to having a few drinks? It being a friend’s birthday given as part of her excuse (although she may be teetotal, I’ve no idea)

She's not teetotal as far as I'm aware.

He admitted to a consensual cuddle.

I've flipped to the Debating Chamber and really want to know what's in Willie Rennie's dried flower arrangement.

I think Nicola should stay in post so that her voters get a proper taste of what it's like to have a crooked and unaccountable dictator in power.

@daisyfraser

I think Nicola should stay in post so that her voters get a proper taste of what it's like to have a crooked and unaccountable dictator in power.

🤣 thanks @daisyfraser I needed a laugh there.

I think saying she has utter contempt for the people of Scotland is a bit much. Apart from anything else she's stood up in front of the people of Scotland every day for an entire year, subjected herself to journalists questions in full view of the public every day.

Even in terms of the time invested, I would say she gives an infinite amount of fucks more than, say, Boris Johnson, who could barely be arsed to show his face for weeks at a time.

Starry - Phew thanks.
I was expecting another doing from this thread's Stormtroopers

The phrases for today have been, thus far -

I will not sit here and...
I have no recollection of...
To the best of my recollection/memory...
Nervous laugh*
I had no involvement in...
That was not my decision...
I'm struggling to remember...
I cannot speak for...
It's been a while since I practised law, but...
I can only speak from my own experience...
Blink blink blink blink*

Leading a country is hard. You know if the FM cracks a tear I would not be impressed.

Where is that courageous spirit? All gone and lost in the questions. Clearly a new experience for her that she can’t do get usual schtick.

Don’t bloody well feel sorry for her - feeling sorry for leaders of political parties is ridiculous. What sort of leader is that? A bad one.

@TomorrowIsAnotherDae

Just wondering if NS inability to recollect the conversation on 2nd April was due to having a few drinks? It being a friend’s birthday given as part of her excuse (although she may be teetotal, I’ve no idea)

I thought it was a staff members birthday on the 29th? So there was stuff going on in the office and then she went into her office to speak with Geoff?

@daisyfraser

I think Nicola should stay in post so that her voters get a proper taste of what it's like to have a crooked and unaccountable dictator in power.

Daisy you do make me wonder- What happened to you in your life to make you form the opinions and hatred that you have? 🤔

@daisyfraser

I think Nicola should stay in post so that her voters get a proper taste of what it's like to have a crooked and unaccountable dictator in power.

It's ok, I'll just ask my relatives in Belarus, who live under a brutal dictatorship, and are not even allowed to meet in groups of more than two people, lest they begin plotting a coup.

I find this forum weird, particularly the hatred of Sturgeon who although I've raged at some decisions has provided leadership and compassion during the pandemic beyond any other government figure. I don't post often now cause it's all a bit 'Us for Them' and I don't see voices that reflect my experience.

Can't believe the vitriol against Sturgeon here whilst Salmond gets a much easier ride. He was patronising, awful on Friday with his disdain of women all over his answers. Not even prepared to apologise when offered, taking the chairs 'guidance' and showing his true feelings of woman getting above their station and not rolling over.*

I agree Orcadianrythmns

@daisyfraser

Starry - Phew thanks. I was expecting another doing from this thread's Stormtroopers

Not stormtroopers Daisy. Just people who disagree.

@WaxOnFeckOff, I think you are right, I’ve been watching all day and probably got mixed up.

If there weren't so much emoting and waffling we'd have been finished long since. Also far less risk of saying too much about anyone anonymous.

I just dipped in for 30 minutes of waffle on a meeting which she is now recalling in great detail complete with her feelings before and after and her thoughts on discussing it more widely. This is the meeting she denied ever having happened to the Parliament. That is the breach. Everything else has already been litigated and found wanting in both the JR and the criminal case.

In fact there is a tacit admission of the Breach running through her evidence when she talks about making a judgement balancing confidentiality and transparency. That balancing act was no longer required by the time people were asking what happened when in Parliament.

Interesting. I just tried to double check the Code Breaches in dispute on BBC website. All the Articles are mired in obfuscation. Have I missed a clear concise list?

Retrospective policy making with criminal consequences is very authoritarian and offends the rule of law. That is very much favoured by repressive regimes.

What is to stop this applying to anyone else in Scotland, or to a poster in this thread- aren’t you worried that your government retrospectively changes things to suit? That is not compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

Thanks, kurt
Can you imagine it, though? - Queen Street will be renamed Sturgeon Sràid.
And we'll be provided with a list of acceptable jokes and vocabulary. Everything else will be outlawed.