Salmond v Sturgeon Round 3 — Comment along with Sturgeon

[PolkadotsAndMoonbeams]

Previous thread here.

What's that, less than 0.1 percent of the population, and likely SNP voters simply deciding to take the next step? Wow, amazing.

"I wonder how many of those people who knew Nicola when she was 16 were born after 1986?"

Maybe she did a lot of babysitting? 😁

No guarantee that those members are actually living in Scotland with a valid vote either. I presume they don't publish numbers on how many people leave to give a rough comparison?

@WaxOnFeckOff

No guarantee that those members are actually living in Scotland with a valid vote either. I presume they don't publish numbers on how many people leave to give a rough comparison?

I believe their membership has fallen massively in the last few years but it's hard to get accurate info.

But frankly it doesn't matter - as labour have found membership doesn't always translate in to election wins. All the "woah Jeremy Corbyn" members didn't do them much good at all.

The people you have to convince are the ones who aren't keen enough on a party to join.

I don't think that it's really about the SNP membership numbers for anyone. It's more the idea that she came across well yesterday and people want to show their support.

Scottish government didn’t contact the police when name of the complainant was leaked to the press.

did i miss something? was a name of a complainant leaked to the press?

Yes to the Daily Record something I had missed in this whole sorry saga.

The government didn’t call the police in to investigate and nor has anyone been arrested. This is quite an appalling state of affairs.

@Selkiesarereal

Yes to the Daily Record something I had missed in this whole sorry saga.

The government didn’t call the police in to investigate and nor has anyone been arrested. This is quite an appalling state of affairs.

The government can't force the police to investigate something. It's up to the police whether they do or not.

Very true @StatisticallyChallenged. Also you can join and still be too young to vote. My Ds has been a Labour member since age 14 but didn't get his first vote until he was over 18. Not sure what the age limits are on SNP membership but it's certainly under 16 as they have an under 16 option.

Do we know if the breach was reported to the ICO? Do they have jurisdiction on legal case information?

@Selkiesarereal

Yes to the Daily Record something I had missed in this whole sorry saga.

The government didn’t call the police in to investigate and nor has anyone been arrested. This is quite an appalling state of affairs.

Amazing how they can contact them when it suits.

Stary then why wasn’t there an internal investigation with the details handed over to the police? From my understanding of the questioning yesterday this was not done.

But the government happily handed over details of the women to the police despite some not wanting to pursue the case.

Surely they should have been more than happy to have the culprit found.

Just as a matter of fact, the police need a crime to be reported to them before they can act as they are not omniscient

"The government can't force the police to investigate something. It's up to the police whether they do or not."

They can pass 'potentially criminal' allegations against complainants' wishes, but can't do anything about the criminal leak of sensitive data from within their own organisation? 🤔

I'm sticking with 🪨 cos this is getting beyond parody now...

Amazing! So many thinking the exact same thing 😁

It is ridiculous. Ok .

Apparently there is more legal advice to come, probably tomorrow.

Someone is frantically reading through to fund the dullest legal document they can with a November date

@Selkiesarereal

Stary then why wasn’t there an internal investigation with the details handed over to the police? From my understanding of the questioning yesterday this was not done.

But the government happily handed over details of the women to the police despite some not wanting to pursue the case.

Surely they should have been more than happy to have the culprit found.

There was an investigation by the Information Commissioner's Office who didn't find any evidence the leak had came from the Government.

"Do we know if the breach was reported to the ICO?"

I believe it was reported & investigated by the ICO & I think Salmond challenged their initial outcome. There was reference to the ICO report which confirmed the leak was criminal but there's been no further action on that. It was the ICO who the crown office used their discretion with regards to a police officer's statement being made available from the criminal case to the ICO. The point was made that the crown office allowed that discretion but were taking a different view when it came to the committee requesting documents from the criminal trial.

@TheShadowyFeminist

This is interesting 🤨

Tweet Link

"The government is paying an undisclosed sum to Sir Philip Rutnam, who quit as the Home Office's permanent secretary accusing Home Secretary Priti Patel of a "vicious and orchestrated briefing campaign" against him. How much did this cost the taxpayer? Shouldn't we be told?"

Further down it says

"£370k (inc £30k costs) apparently."

I'm guessing £1M wasted money on a failed JR due to incompetence is par for the course?

I noted that with a smile. Ruttnam was offered a pay off after his falling out with the Home Secretary.

He presumed got more, because of the report that indicated that she had broken the Code. The decision to keep her was purely political and contemptuous of the Civil Service in the UK.

@TheShadowyFeminist

"Do we know if the breach was reported to the ICO?"

I believe it was reported & investigated by the ICO & I think Salmond challenged their initial outcome. There was reference to the ICO report which confirmed the leak was criminal but there's been no further action on that. It was the ICO who the crown office used their discretion with regards to a police officer's statement being made available from the criminal case to the ICO. The point was made that the crown office allowed that discretion but were taking a different view when it came to the committee requesting documents from the criminal trial.

Thank you. The ICO have pretty big teeth nowadays but i guess like many, they can only decide based on evidence received

stary well that’s just great then, no harm done then. Just the small issue of a criminal act committed and not even calling the police in. All fine and dandy.

Oh and no one asked NS about it as part of the investigation. That’s a really thorough investigation.

I love that 5000 people joined a political party in one day and the consensus here is that, probably:

They're not of voting age
They don't live in Scotland
More people might have left than joined
They were gonna join anyway

I know lots of you hate her with a passion but she clearly engages a lot of people a lot of them time.

Yes, I wonder how much evidence was conveniently accidentally not given to the ICO?

Based on what we've seen thus far it doesn't seem much of a reach to think that perhaps the disclosure was not comprehensive