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Here come those tiers again.

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Cismyfatarse · 12/02/2021 16:30

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NotAnActualSheep · 13/02/2021 16:25

We're having someone in to fit a Virgin line next week, which is is hardly essential, but it's that or have a less competitive package from another provider so not allowing it would cause all sorts of problems I would think

We had the same last week! They only introduced the service into our area over Christmas. We'd arranged the installation based on "early February" being when schools would be back and lock down eased, and were a bit surprised when they didn't cancel it. However, for us it was essential as it has increased our Internet speed by at least 10 times. Meaning we can have 2 zoom calls going on at the same time (kind of important for simultaneous homeschooling and work) ...or stream some telly while uploading a big file for work (OK, less critical). It has revolutionised our life! If anyone tried to tell us it wasn't essential I would let them deal with DHs Language when he had to come off a call to allow DS to join in his daily class briefing. Our household has been comparatively zen since.

MaxNormal · 13/02/2021 16:32

it would make sense to remove people who have tested positive to quarantine on their own in a hotel

There's no way I'd get tested if a positive result meant being dragged off to hotel quarantine. Particularly not if I were made to pay for it.

LetItGoGo · 13/02/2021 16:38

frasersmummy I've one in S4. I expect teacher grades. Which in their case is likely to be disappointing as is quiet, laid back individual but able to surprise when provided with external motivation (like exams! Or getting into a uni course.)
The way things are going taking up coding may be a viable option? I'm really not fit to guide them through this.

jabbathebutt · 13/02/2021 16:44

I think the main issue is whether NS will be stricter than BJ or nicer than BJ. Will she wait til he announces first?

MaxNormal · 13/02/2021 16:54

Stricter. Much much stricter. Inevitably.

ssd · 13/02/2021 17:01

She will be stricter but I dont mind if it keeps the numbers down while they keep the vaccinations going.

But I still dont get why Glasgow is doing do badly

kurtrussellsbeard · 13/02/2021 17:07

Teachers have to have assessment evidence in exam conditions to estimate a grade. It's not like last time. They have essentially just pushed the responsibility of the exam back to us.

Aurea · 13/02/2021 17:46

KURTRUSSELL

But what if there is inadequate opportunity to assess correctly in school? My S4 son's school says their assessments won't begin immediately on their return and they will get some notice. The teachers are concentrating on finishing off the courses at the moment.

He is doing a couple of highers and 5 Nat 5s so it's a big workload.

LetItGoGo · 13/02/2021 17:50

I think I've read too much doom mongering about kids online today.

Let's hope there are at least some in school assesments.

kurtrussellsbeard · 13/02/2021 17:55

That's exactly the worry. What about kids who have to self isolate etc etc .
I'm a bit worried about it.

kurtrussellsbeard · 13/02/2021 18:09

I would advise him to make sure he aw was as prepared as he can be. Although they will give notice they will do a round of assessments ASAP in case of localised outbreaks in the school or another lockdown.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/02/2021 18:33

@ssd

She will be stricter but I dont mind if it keeps the numbers down while they keep the vaccinations going.

But I still dont get why Glasgow is doing do badly

I'll need to look again but normally, nearly all of Glasgow's pretty low and it's just a few neighbourhoods which are high.
StarryEyeSurprise · 13/02/2021 18:39

More good news re Scotland ( Times Article Below) .

Fall in Covid patients beats best-case scenario in Scotland
Mark McLaughlin
Saturday February 13 2021, 12.01am, The Times

The number of coronavirus patients in hospital is expected to fall sharply
The number of coronavirus patients in hospital is expected to decline sharply as the lockdown and the vaccination programme significantly reduce the rate of transmission, according to the latest projections.

Official figures shared with Downing Street suggest that the number of Covid-19 patients in English hospitals will fall from the nearly 20,000 now to 9,000 by mid-March. In Scotland there were 1,470 coronavirus patients yesterday, a drop of more than a quarter from the peak of 2,050 three weeks ago.

The decline north of the border is running ahead of the best-case scenario, which was that cases could fall below 1,000 by early March.

However, progress remains precarious and Holyrood government forecasters warned that cases could rise again if progress was not sustained, and the World Health Organisation said Scotland must go even further to bring the virus under control.

In England the number of daily hospital admissions is expected to drop from 1,531 to about 500, and the number of deaths will fall from 657 a day. This means that within a month the three key indicators will all have returned to levels similar to October, when the second wave was starting to emerge.

The projections, which have been drawn up by the Spi-M group of scientific advisers, came as Westminster estimated that the R number — the rate of transmission — had fallen below one for the first time since July.

Government scientists said that infection rates were falling faster than anticipated and that they were increasingly optimistic about the reopening of schools in England on March 8 and the relaxation of other restrictions in April.

However, social distancing restrictions are expected to remain in place until the autumn at the earliest.

The projections are likely to lead to increased pressure on Boris Johnson from Tory MPs to accelerate the reopening of the economy. They called for all restrictions to be lifted by May.

In other developments:

• There were 15,144 new cases of coronavirus reported, with the seven-day total down 26.3 per cent on the previous week as the total number of lab-confirmed cases in the UK since the start of the pandemic exceeded four million. There were 758 deaths, with the seven-day total down 27.1 per cent.

• Checks at the border between Scotland and England moved a step closer after negotiations to convince UK ministers to enforce Holyrood’s tough quarantine measures broke down.

• Scotland vaccinated a higher proportion of residents than any country in Europe over seven days.

• Official figures showed the economy grew by 1 per cent in the final quarter of last year, above expectations, but still suffered its worst annual performance in more than three centuries.

• The Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told The Times that taxes should not rise while the economy is recovering.

The WHO advises that coronavirus becomes easier to control when test positivity falls below 5 per cent for a fortnight. The 14-day average in Scotland is 6 per cent.

Dr Margaret Harris, a WHO infectious disease expert, said 5 per cent was merely the upper threshold of its guidance and Scotland should aim to get positivity as low as possible.

She told BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland: “What you would really like to see is under 1 per cent if you’re looking at really stopping the transmission. Zero per cent would be even more brilliant but you want to know that you’re testing widely as well.

“As for the lockdown, I can see from the curve [Scotland] is doing really well but that’s when it gets tricky. Now is not the time to stop — now is the time to really do it carefully and make the most of what you have achieved.”

It has taken a month to get test positivity down from a peak of 12 per cent in early January to its present level. This slow progress will be even harder to maintain if younger and older pupils go back to school as planned on February 22.

There were 4,232 deaths in the first wave of coronavirus, which finally flattened out at the end of August. Cases began rising again when pubs reopened and international travel resumed.

Linda Bauld, chairwoman of public health at the University of Edinburgh, said Scots should prepare for several weeks more lockdown followed by a summer of staycations and social distancing. “We will be seeing face coverings certainly for the rest of this year and future winters, given the progress we have made.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 13/02/2021 18:42

God, reading that makes me sad and angry. Six months just to get back to where we were in October? So by Christmas we were smack bang in the middle of the wave and then we were told we could mix at Christmas.

Wonder where we'd be now if not for that one day?

LetItGoGo · 13/02/2021 18:43

Well that's just lovely.

MaxNormal · 13/02/2021 18:50

Why face coverings in future winters? Confused
They've got various vaccines plus one die in a few months that works against all variants as it targets the spike protein.
What's the point of any of that if they want to keep this going and going? What exactly for?

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/02/2021 18:51

Apologies, it was rather big- probably should've just put the link in! My point is that those expecting to go back on the 22nd should get back if hospital cases are 'better than expected '.

Lockdownbear · 13/02/2021 18:54

it would make sense to remove people who have tested positive to quarantine on their own in a hotel
I'm not sure who suggested the idea. It might make some sense but its certainly not a complete answer and raises many more questions.
A, Who pays?

B, Just the positive person or the people they live with?

C, What about caring responsibilities, children, elderly parents, animals? Who's paying for the dog to go to the kennels? Or the hamster to be looked after?

D, Children, how are parents mean to entertain isolating children in a hotel room?

E, The person who's ill in the room next door might not want to listen to 3 noisy children will cabin fever. How do you expect people to cope?

F, How are you going to ensure covid doesn't spread to staff?

G, How do you ensure it doesn't spread via hotel air conditioning?

If covid is spreading in hospitals with individual rooms I really wouldn't fancy my chances in a hotel with staff who are no where near as highly trained as hospital domestic staff.

B,

LetItGoGo · 13/02/2021 18:55

It sounded like Margaret from the WHO might disagree Starry.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/02/2021 18:59

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

God, reading that makes me sad and angry. Six months just to get back to where we were in October? So by Christmas we were smack bang in the middle of the wave and then we were told we could mix at Christmas.

Wonder where we'd be now if not for that one day?

What makes me angry is they didn't do anything about the unbelievably high cases in London in the run up to Christmas ( I know Glasgow 's higher than the rest of Scotland but it's never been anywhere near what London was).

And obviously, at Christmas, people travelled all over. I'm not blaming the people, I'm blaming the Government.

I think it's insane Johnson's talking about opening hospitality at Easter when England's cases and deaths are still so high but we'll see what happens. They've suddenly agreed that quarantine is needed in a pandemic so that's good at least,l. Just a year too late but I'll stop as trying to look on the positive and we are doing well.

MaxNormal · 13/02/2021 19:01

think it's insane Johnson's talking about opening hospitality at Easter when England's cases and deaths are still so high but we'll see what happens.

They'll have vaccinated most of the vulnerable groups by then though so it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do surely? It's not like previously where we re-opened with everyone still vulnerable.

chuggingtons · 13/02/2021 19:05

Yes, it sounds like the good progress made needs to be maintained over a longer period.

JL said on the radio today that if it hadn't been for the variant we would be in a much stronger position right now. I guess that's why it will take so long to get back to where we were

fluffyugg · 13/02/2021 19:07

@MaxNormal there will still be a lot of unvaccinated people who could increase the possibility of variants I suppose.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/02/2021 19:10

We don't know for sure the vaccines stop transmission. Most people who are vulnerable weren't going out or having people visit them. Mosr of the population won't be vaccinated until Autumn I don't think. It'd be madness in my opinion. Outside, yes but if he's saying inside, no. It'd be like Eat Out to Help Out all over again.🙈🙈

MaxNormal · 13/02/2021 19:19

This thread has really changed tone, I'm not sure what's happened Sad

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