Here come those tiers again.

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New Fred.

SSD yes it would. The window especially due to the resulting lack of ventilation. What type of training? I can’t get the training I need at work as they won’t deliver it due to COVID just now.

The mask is to protect others not to stop you getting virus so the others are protecting the one person who can’t wear mask so that is good ssd

But yeah open the window

It would concern me, it was basically how we worked until I insisted on working from home. I was actually grateful for lockdown because my boss had to finally cave and admit we had to take more precautions.

(It's Include here I've NC'd)

It wouldn't bother me @ssd BUT you have a right to be concerned and I would support anyone not happy in that situation.

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@ssd I have difficulties wear a mask and an open window would trigger one of my (many) disabilities/health conditions.

Your post upsets e as it perfectly illustrates what the reactions, attitudes and ignorance that will likely encounter if/when I return to an office with these rules still in place.

Do not make assumptions. It is not your place to say anything or be the covid secure police. I'm pretty sure most managers would have discussed it already with the individual but for confidentiality reasons they won't tell you if there's a medical reason.

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I'm worried because Scottish infection rates have been static over the last few days. Now I get that Englands dramatic fall is driven by how high they were to begin with, but with majority of schools, shops and hospitality closed since 25th December,I'm struggling to understand how we still have 900 new cases a day.

Morning guys

Wonder what this week will bring?

Yes, I'm wondering this too. The first graph on travelling tabby (one for Scotland and one for UK) shows the difference in case reduction...UK one is still reducing whereas the Scottish one looks stalled

Morning. I think they are talking about moving onto the next phase with the vaccinations, but I'm not sure where we are in Scotland, England seems so much further ahead, I'm not sure if we are moving up to the next level yet.

Glasgow is still problematic- but has been under lockdown on what feels like forever, whereas most of England hasn't. It's lockdown fatigue.

@ssd I would be ok with the training as long as there was at least 2 metres distancing. If not then I would not be ok with it and actually it shouldn't be happening if can't be adequately spaced out.

Depends on your definition of stalled. Only one that matters right now and should have done for winter months is hospital admissions. We’re protecting the NHS for winter, not trying to be at zero covid rates...or are we?🧐
These figures should not be used as a threat against progress on dropping restrictions for the majority of us.

ssd I wouldn't be happy- ventilation is everything, especially over time.

And whilst it's not necessary to know why someone won't wear a mask, I can't see why equally we shouldn't be able to refuse to be in close proximity of someone not wearing one when others were expected too

@Bytheloch but until community rates are at a very low level - and we know from previous experience that SGs risk appetite is pretty low indeed - we'll not be unlocking many things at all, including - I would suspect - senior schools. It would also take a bit of a leap of faith at this point to disassociate new case numbers from hospitalisations as we've only vaccinated the very elderly once.

It's just strange that they remain stubbornly high and localised, and again points to some causal factor we're unaware of driving this.

Our other set of parents in their 60s expecting jabs in the next week in the south east so something good out of this week.

The problem is you can't use lockdown as a long-term tool. People will just start quietly living their lives and seeing others indoors.
A friend lives in one of the less well off central Glasgow areas and they are in and out of each others flats in his close all the time plus he has friends up.
He said everyone else round there is much the same.

We're outside Glasgow and I've noticed in this last weekend how many more people are visiting indoors. Weather is an aspect obviously.

I walk the local streets everyday and seeing a lot more houses with an extra car or two outside.

@ssd

Morning. I think they are talking about moving onto the next phase with the vaccinations, but I'm not sure where we are in Scotland, England seems so much further ahead, I'm not sure if we are moving up to the next level yet.

I read that they're moving onto the over 65s; I guess some areas in Scotland are already there (Dundee definitely is) and others not (Fife is bottom of the table so I suspect still a way to go there).

@ssd yes that would bother me. The theory part of the training should be delivered virtually by zoom or workbook or readings and only practical aspects should be delivered face to face. Everyone should wear masks and the window and door should be open. You should be 2m apart unless you really can’t (clinical manual handling course) that’s how we’re doing it in the nhs. All our rooms have a max number of people sticker on the door too.

@fluffyugg

Yes, I'm wondering this too. The first graph on travelling tabby (one for Scotland and one for UK) shows the difference in case reduction...UK one is still reducing whereas the Scottish one looks stalled

Yes, this graph shows the past month really clearly. Scotland (and Wales) seem to have reached a plateau. And there may even have been a small uptick over the past few days. It's very frustrating. Though it may well stop people saying "oh, it's obvious it's the schools spreading it" given they've been closed for seventeen millenia and its still spreading... Though I still don't think cases should be used as the benchmark for lockdown relaxing.

I can't do social distancing either due to yet another disability I have. I would feel like a leper if everyone refused to come near me as a result. My disabilities isolate me enough.

I am WFH and my employer said that isn't likely to change for a while but with figures going down and talk of road maps, my anxiety is through the roof with fear that this could change and I may be asked to return, with rules still in place regarding face masks, social distancing, open windows and everything else I cannot do or manage.

That's why I get so angry and upset when the media talk about 'back to normal' and upset when people complain about others not wearing a mask. Disabled people get treated badly enough already. you only have to search "disability" and "covid" on twitter to see how much we are all struggling and how often we get shouted at re: masks.

On the subject of cases in Scotland stalling, it would be good if someone asked NS why this is in the next briefing - is this today?

Hospitals? Hopefully having folk vaccinated will help with that. There seem to be outbreaks in supermarkets, etc, fairly regularly (staff). So maybe that means that we can't in fact bring numbers down any further through lockdown alone. I know it's really not practical but you wonder of creating priority groups based on workplaces would help. So those who are working from home and will do so for the foreseeable would be moved down the list in favour of police, essential shop staff, essential tradespeople - basically those who can't avoid other people.