Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care?

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Evidence of a conspiracy to frame Alex Salmond has been building. There are compelling reports in the Times, Herald , Sky News and across the internet. But there is less reporting in Scotland and a lot of people seem to not know or care. I'm Scottish but I don't live there. I've been hooked by this as a story of power and corruption. I'm on the fence re independence, just don't know enough so don't have an axe in that debate. I've never been an SNP member. But I do care about justice and that no-one should be above the law, especially politicians when they are seeking to imprison their potential rivals.

After reading this affadavit from Craig Murray which brings it all together and is incendiary I'm pretty convinced there has been a conspiracy and that Sturgeon and her collaborators should face justice. Although the justice department (Crown office) also seem to be mired in this. Here is the affadavit www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/

I've shown this to a few people and have been shocked that a couple have said, yes it stinks but I like Sturgeon. I'd be interested in the views of Scotsnet. How much do you know about this? Do you care? Is it OK for our politicians to imprison their rivals, like Putin and co do, if you like their other objectives. Has Scotland become a corrupt nation? Is that OK?

@annabelindajane

An extraordinary tale and part of the issue is the SNP have been in power so long they think they are invincible. Should Scotland become independent and very much hope this never happens we wouldn’t want any party with Nationalist in its name .

You haven’t got one now. Despite Boris Johnson’s best efforts every PMQs to claim otherwise, it’s the Scottish National Party.

The Scottish National Party is a Scottish nationalist, regionalist, and social-democratic political party in Scotland

From their wiki entry. Are you arguing the SNP isn't a nationalist party?

It's not in their name, though.

No, but the point being made by Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails was dancing on the head of a pin whilst splitting hairs.

Words matter.

The Nationalist thing is what Boris Johnson calls them to annoy them.

Failing to grasp the huge difference between National and nationalist - aren't the conservatives continually referred to as tories by the SNP?

This gets to the SNP because they are nationalist! Their fig leaf is civic nationalism (a new spin). But if they were anywhere else, they would just be nationalists. That’s why a lot of their supporters like them! Their vision is a country without English influence.

TBH they should just go UDI. Not got the guts the Irish have. Now that’s independence.

I'm not sure the difference matters tbh.

That was re name - they are a nationalist party regardless of title

For transparency I vote SNP, I support independence. I don’t particularly care who leads the SNP as long as it brings Scotland independence as people will then vote for who they want after that. I am indifferent to Alex Salmond, I quite like Nicola Sturgeon.

Same here.

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder do you care if she’s guilty?

Sounds like Jim Sillars is on the case - suggesting” those staying silent for the sake of independence risk turning the SNP and the whole independence movement into an ideology akin to that in Stalin’s USSR “

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder

For transparency I vote SNP, I support independence. I don’t particularly care who leads the SNP as long as it brings Scotland independence as people will then vote for who they want after that. I am indifferent to Alex Salmond, I quite like Nicola Sturgeon.

Same here.

This is the problem. The SNP know that folk will vote for them whatever they do. There will be no change until they are punished at the ballot box.

It makes me wonder if there's anything the c*lt won't forgive them for cause Indy.

@annabelindajane

Sounds like Jim Sillars is on the case - suggesting” those staying silent for the sake of independence risk turning the SNP and the whole independence movement into an ideology akin to that in Stalin’s USSR “

Where did you find this out?

@annabelindajane

Sounds like Jim Sillars is on the case - suggesting” those staying silent for the sake of independence risk turning the SNP and the whole independence movement into an ideology akin to that in Stalin’s USSR “

I agree with this. I despise dishonesty and corruption and the view that the end justifies the means

Jim Sillars has been persona non grata with the faithful for a while due to his Brexit position. If anything an intervention from him is likely to bolster current Leadership's support. He has been around so long I suspect he is well aware of this.

I remember when Jim Sillars won Govan when SNP were a fringe party. Maybe the Johnny come lately should listen to those who lead the way all those years ago.

I think she should resign and leave with dignity, because this WILL all come out in the end, and I guess Salmond is biding his time to ensure maximum pain around the election. I like NS but this is not a great development and could ruin her potentially.

@Graffitiqueen spot on. Policies also seem to take a back seat to Independence at any cost. If I'd hadn't moved from Scotland to England as an adult, I wonder if I'd have a more positive view of NS?

There was an article in the Herald re Jim Sillars

Thanks @annabelindajane will go have a wee read

@Selkiesarereal I'll never forget that election. My parents were friends with the Labour candidate and we were all guests at the same party not long before the by election. You could tell he thought he was a sure thing, because Labour just took these constituencies for granted. When the results were announced, we did have a little chuckle. However SNP was seen as a bit of a fringe party in those days.
Didn't Jim Sillars marry Margot MacDonald? I liked her.

this WILL all come out in the end
But what will come out though? I seem to be missing something here - have read carefully the link OP put at the beginning of the thread and read related articles. What exactly is the hard evidence that proves this is all a conspiracy? The most that's been come up with is a bit of a muddle about when a meeting took place. It hardly seems pivotal to the court case.
I carefully read the evidence from Craig Murray expecting to learn something that would change my view since everyone seems to be so convinced of this 'conspiracy'. But I didn't read a single thing that convinced me. His statement's peppered with stuff like he'd heard such and such from someone - 'very credible, know him for years etc.' Well he may have known them for years, but i don't know them from Adam. What makes them so much more credible than Nicola Sturgeon? I'm no slavish devotee and I disagree with her on some fundamental things but over her long time in politics she's always come across as reasoned, sincere and honest to me. I get that not everyone thinks so (and i may be wrong) - but do people really believe she would frame someone to be jailed for rape? Really? Honestly? What possible motivation would she have for that ? Set up allegations that would damage and be a stain on her party for ever? Why would she want that?
Craig Murray also has quite a few attitudes i find problematic which puts a question mark over his credibility. Such as his flippant attitude toward the law - he's been done for Contempt of Court several times and doesn't seem to think it's a big deal. His view toward protecting the anonymity of sexual assault complainants is also troubling for me. He says he agrees with it 'generally' but thinks an exception should have been made in this case!! I find that unbelievable. Let's not bother protecting the complainants when it comes to good old Alex! (this is during the case he is talking about not after the verdict). Then there is the crass joke that he chose to mention that was apparently 'going around' about one of the complainants.

@happygolurkey I agree with you. It seems very far fetched. Not a Nicola fan at all and I can't bear Salmond but not sure I believe this.

Only thing giving me pause is the evasive behaviour and the lies.