Scotsnet does not represent Scotland

[kamalasshaman]

At a time when polls are showing unprecedented support for independence and even John Curtice agrees the polls are clear, why is Scotsnet such a bastion of unionist opinions? Is it just due to the demographic of Mumsnet? Why has this site become such a right wing enclave?

With the exception of the vaccine rollout which has been outstanding, the UK government's behaviour during this pandemic has highlighted exactly why I want independence. The SNP were voted for by the people of Scotland knowing that their raison d'etre is independence. There would be a bunch of pretty disgruntled voters if they just sat back throughout the reign of the worst ever UK Prime Minister thinking now is not the time

There are lots of disgruntled voters anyway. Less than 26% of the eligible voters voted for the SNP.

Less than half of the people who bothered to vote voted for the SNP.

Joanna Cherry and Alex Salmond are on the outside of the party - not a good idea as far as NS and her hubbie are concerned.

Wax, that's what's so terrifying - same with Brexit - entire constitutions changed on the whim of what is really a very small number of people. Can't remember if it was you on this or another thread (not stalking, promise) who suggested the polling needs to be changed on these big ticket items - 50% of total electoral vote or 66% of turnout etc.

SNP crow that they have a mandate when they had way less than 50% of total votes in 2019 UK elections. Same with 2016 Scottish govt elections - SNP votes way less than 50% on a turnout of 55.6%. So if it happens similarly this year we could have an independence referendum (whether it would be legal and binding remains to be seen) based on the votes of 26% of the registered voters.

@WaxOnFeckOff

There are lots of disgruntled voters anyway. Less than 26% of the eligible voters voted for the SNP.

Less than half of the people who bothered to vote voted for the SNP.

This isn't true. In 2019, 45 per cent voted for the SNP.

It is absolutely correct - of eligible voters, less than 26% voted for the SNP. So the entire future of this country could be based on an absolutely TINY proportion of votes. More than half of those who voted did not vote for the SNP.

Can you send me a breakdown of all parties please?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Scottish_Parliament_election

Here's the percentage share from the last election. SNP had nearly the same percentage of votes as all other parties combined.

According to Wikipedia in the last election the SNP got 45% of the vote, the tories got 28.6% , Labour got 18.6%, and the lib dems got 9.5%, meaning the majority of Scottish voters who voted, chose unionist parties. The SNP have such a large majority if seats because of the quirks of the FFTP system, and not because of overwhelming support by the Scottish public.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_Scotland

@StarryEyeSurprise those figures still show a majority in favour of unionist parties. Even if we assume that independence was the only issue on anyone's mind (and clearly people vote for a whole host of reasons) the Indy supporting parties were the minority.

I've already looked at the figures, you can post whatever chart you like, the figures I gave were correct, just over a quarter of the available electorate voted for the SNP. Less than half those who voted, voted for the SNP.

The SNP voters don't represent Scotland any more than you believe Scotsnet represents Scotland.

46 per cent ( pro indy) versus 54 per cent (unionist) as shown in the graph I attached - I'm not disputing that.

It was the 26 per cent mentioned above that's not right.

26% of the ELIGIBLE VOTERS. Sorry, not shouting, just, well, trying to make it clear.

26% of eligible voters is absolutely correct.

Just to be clear, you take the amount who voted for the SNP and divide by the available electorate and multiply by 100, it comes to 25.something % and I rounded it up to 26.

And almost 55% of the electorate voting for parties other than the SNP isn't nearly the same as 45% voting for.

So are we suggesting that because the unionist vote was split that the SNP who were elected fair and square should abandon their manifesto? Bizarre.

Not at all, but it does illustrate that over half of the voting populace likely don’t want independence or another referendum. Just a pity the vote’s split.

god the ignorance of some SNP voters never ceases to amaze me. As shown above by their understanding of the percentages eye roll

The upcoming elections will give a clearer pic. The SNP will have lost some support with their infighting and all the gender stuff. It will be interesting to see what happens.

The huge division caused by Brexit is largely (not wholly) because a tiny majority was deemed to justify a massive change, affecting the country permanently.
As has been said over and over again about Brexit, this type of change should require a substantial majority. Maybe it should be over 50% of all those eligible to vote, or 2/3rds of those who actually do vote.
Independence would cause great hardship. You may think that that is worth it, but imagine the divisions caused in Scotland if only a small majority of voters vote for that, and it then happens. Division at a time when everyone is coping with uncertainty and hardships already.

No, but only 26% of the eligible population voted for that manifesto and less than half of the voters voted for it so I'm pointing out that the majority of voters won't be annoyed if they don't pursue their manifesto.

But yes, the results will be interesting, in particular whether the % voting changes. I'm not sure if recent events will fire more people up on either side to vote or if the voting rate will fall. There is also the covid factor and what the voting arrangements will be. Will more people do postal votes and will this favour anyone?

Interesting times.

Okay but those who voted for it will . I'm not sure why you're at such pains to explain or prove something which is pretty obvious.

If I had said all or the majority of voters would be disgruntled, I could understand it but I said 'a bunch'