Scotsnet does not represent Scotland

[kamalasshaman]

At a time when polls are showing unprecedented support for independence and even John Curtice agrees the polls are clear, why is Scotsnet such a bastion of unionist opinions? Is it just due to the demographic of Mumsnet? Why has this site become such a right wing enclave?

I think the problem is that on mumsnet, some people do spout the nonsense / share from people like Ivor Cummings, Michelle (Ballentynye?) who are so closely linked to Farage, Robert Mercer etc which is fine as long as they realise the background to it and don't take it at face value.

@kurtrussellbeard the eu is no longer just for trade and free movement , anyone intelligent would also know that

Additional markers for right wing libertarian astroturfing
Criticise state run education and health
Some of my friends are x
X are so easily offended
X call anyone and everyone a bigot these days
What about Bad Individual

@donewithitalltodayandxmas didn't realise I needed to list everything the EU offers us. I'm sure you followed my point. And I certainly wasn't suggesting that the poster lacked intelligence. It is very clear she does not. I was implying she was being a little bit obtuse.

I think you need to step away from the (tartan) waccy baccy, @kamalasshaman.

Criticising the repeated fuck ups at the SQA (lost papers, inconsistent marking, the "algorithm") or raising real concerns about the Curriculum for Excellence is not the same as holding the opinion that state education is a bad idea.

NHS - well they're doing a good job on Covid, but rubbish on everything else. Have just had my mum on the phone, very worried about my Dad, he's been declining for a year with memory issues, was on the pathway for an appointment last March which was cancelled. So yeah, they're failing my Dad right now. And my Mum.

So basically what you're saying is that you are not 100% supportive of everything the Scot Gov does, you're a right-wing, libertarian plant?

How can you get through life with such narrow minded, blinkered thinking?

Flashback to '14 and discussion are the project fear tactic of the UK Gov to keep Scotland in the UK

If there were that many right wing lurkers in Scotland youd think the tories would get more votes.

The conspiracy theorists would counter saying we're all hairy-arsed blokes called Julian living in the home counties, @Wbeezer.

Dear God, i think they actually wish they had some opponents who were like Q-anon believing Trump supporters, they'd enjoy feeling all superior and righteous. They don't exist (at least not on Scotsnet) so they're having to invent them.

Starryeyesurprise, strangely you could also counter that the UK govt ran a project fear campaign to keep the UK in the EU.

If anyone is at all interested, I voted no in the independence referendum for pretty much exactly the same reasons I voted remain in the EU referendum - freedom of movement, economics (mainly ease of trade), just the fact that we appear to be better off as part of a bigger whole.

What made me doubt the SNP version of an independent Scotland (and yes, I read the White paper and Wings little blue book) were the many anomalies regarding trade, currency, re-entry into the EU - so many contradictions, so many important details glossed over.

One example was the SNP's continual boast that they export more than the rest of the UK, while disingenuously failing to point out that 60% of the total of Scotland's exports are to the rest of the UK. Tariff and duty free at the moment, but what happens if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU and all of a sudden that 60% export figure is subject to tariffs and duty?

Also, and Kamalasshaman won't want to know because it probably falls under their 'some of my friends are x' category, DH works in HE and has seen the damage being caused by underfunding in the sector. But hey ho, Scottish students don't have to pay to go to university so all's right with the world.

This thread gets funnier each time I read it. Some real tinfoil hat stuff now.

@reprehensibleme

Starryeyesurprise, strangely you could also counter that the UK govt ran a project fear campaign to keep the UK in the EU.

If anyone is at all interested, I voted no in the independence referendum for pretty much exactly the same reasons I voted remain in the EU referendum - freedom of movement, economics (mainly ease of trade), just the fact that we appear to be better off as part of a bigger whole.

What made me doubt the SNP version of an independent Scotland (and yes, I read the White paper and Wings little blue book) were the many anomalies regarding trade, currency, re-entry into the EU - so many contradictions, so many important details glossed over.

One example was the SNP's continual boast that they export more than the rest of the UK, while disingenuously failing to point out that 60% of the total of Scotland's exports are to the rest of the UK. Tariff and duty free at the moment, but what happens if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU and all of a sudden that 60% export figure is subject to tariffs and duty?

Also, and Kamalasshaman won't want to know because it probably falls under their 'some of my friends are x' category, DH works in HE and has seen the damage being caused by underfunding in the sector. But hey ho, Scottish students don't have to pay to go to university so all's right with the world.

Hmm, Davidson did say that leaving the EU would be 'like a bomb going off in the economy' ( until she was offered Baroness title) and Cameron did talk about the catastrophic impact of leaving but the remain campaign focused on facts, whereas the leave campaign focused on hyperbole and repeating lies to create fear.

Immigrants are taking your jobs, we'll be flooded with a 'swarm' from Turkey, take back control (of borders) alongside the £350m lie.

No. Boris Johnson labelled the 'Britain Better in Europe' campaign as 'project fear:. I am continually reminded of the similarities between the Yes campaign and the Leave campaign.

Right. Johnson lies. A lot. He's kind of built his whole career on it.

The point of the astroturfing isn't that I think all the people with opposing views on here are all in a conspiracy. It's that there are actually a number of advisors with links to the highest levels of the government who have started so called grassroots groups promoting a very libertarian agenda.
The influence of these groups is far reaching and leads people to believe the views they hold are widespread when in reality they are limited to an echo chamber.

As an example us for them have about 7000 members while parents for safe schools have 200000 yet which group is influencing policy?
On Scotsnet people who put down the SNP and Independence are in the majority but they are very wrong to think this is a reflection of society at large. I do believe there is some evidence of bots and astroturfing in here. It's hard to accept if you've been fooled by it.
This is all in the public domain by the way. It isn't conspiracy in code and secrecy. What is wrong with people - I guess that's why Boris and his colleagues can lie and abuse their power continuously because people don't believe this is real.

Us for Them is not influencing policy. They are regarded as nutters across the political spectrum.

OP, you’re fooling no one.

Oh man this thread gets funnier and funnier!!

@GintyMcGinty they absolutely have influenced policy.

@kamalasshaman then that does not speak very well of the judgement of Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney.

If they are listening to those nutters they need to have their heads examined.

I guess that's why Nicola and her colleagues can lie and abuse their power continuously because people don't believe they are really influenced by zealots like that.

@Graffitiqueen you don't have to come to this thread.
You seem to enjoy laughing at people who have a different view to you and if you don't get a rise from them you just keep on goading. I'd just like to say you are the most unpleasant poster I've come across for a while on Scotsnet.
Ivor Cummins videos have been posted without comment in the tiers threads but what I'm posting is hilarious. Right.

Kamala, all your arguments could so easily be applied to the pro independence side - in fact you could be a high level SNP advisor promoting a statist agenda trying to persuade waverers that to be against or even to question independence means you are a right wing, racist, covid denying conspiracy theorist.

@GintyMcGinty they informed policy across the Uk

Why would I stop coming to this thread? You've had me roaring with laughter for the past two days. Best entertainment I've had in ages!!

@reprehensibleme I could be but I'm not! The difference is that I am not in a position of power that's threatened. That's why the astroturfing groups are set up with links to the Uk government.I'm also not operating on a right wing libertarian agenda as you might have noticed.