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kamalasshaman · 25/01/2021 21:43

At a time when polls are showing unprecedented support for independence and even John Curtice agrees the polls are clear, why is Scotsnet such a bastion of unionist opinions? Is it just due to the demographic of Mumsnet? Why has this site become such a right wing enclave?

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Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 18:54

What vitriol have I expressed?! Where did I mention the snp?

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 18:55

@kamalasshaman with all due respect, that does not answer my question.

Will there be a hard border with England?

kamalasshaman · 26/01/2021 18:55

And..... the 2016 referendum wasn't the first one.. remember the Maastricht treaty, they voted against that then got another chance to vote for it ...

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WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 18:56

@Scottishskifun

It's quite well known that the Republic of Ireland is being used as a human trafficking route via lorries I think that is at the crux of the how would this be managed with the border. How do you then stop Scotland becoming another trafficking route if it joins the EU.

It's a bit naive to think that this wouldn't happen people will take many many risks. I have seen with my own eyes migrants crossing the border from Italy to France in the middle of winter up in the mountains when on ski holidays.

That’s interesting @Scottishskifun I hadn’t thought about that
Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 18:57

It was quite commonly claimed in the lead up to indyref that if we were independent there would be less corruption than at Westminster. Scottish politicians have not covered themselves in glory since the referendum and I am not just talking about the snp here.

kamalasshaman · 26/01/2021 18:58

@WouldBeGood yes a hard border with England just like the hard border with France. Unless something else is negotiated similar to our historical agreement with Ireland, that's been mooted previously. Who knows really? It's probably England who would decide, they hate free movement.

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Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 18:58

And I would like an answer to where I expressed any vitriol please.

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:01

Ok.

I think this thread demonstrates why people are not for the unicorn of independence.

Dissent or questioning equals vitriol or thick.

No answers to very basic questions. Final resort, it will all be England’s fault.

kamalasshaman · 26/01/2021 19:07

@Graffitiqueen you don't actually get to demand answers on the internet Grin
It's really clear you are looking to take a pop at " corruption " in the parliament. I could link numerous bits of evidence about this in all parties over the past 20 years but don't you really mean the Salmond / Sturgeon debacle? Alex doesn't come out well from this but people looking for corruption in Nicola will be sorely disappointed. Whatever happens she has been as open as she can be in light of her legal position.
Pps on here have explicitly said they have stopped posting on Scotsnet because only the SNP are ever criticised. That's why Scotsnet doesn't represent Scotland.
Maybe I am wrong and you are really upset about Ruth's connections to Cambridge Analytica or Anas Sarwars support for some very dodgy criminals?

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Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 19:09

Kamala I have no political affiliation so yes I am angry about those things too. Don't let that get in the way of your biases though.

Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 19:10

And I guess from your non answer that you agree there was no vitriol in what I posted.

Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 19:20

And it is quite telling how I'm being pulled up for criticising corrupt politicians. Scotland is in a bad way.

Selkiesarereal · 26/01/2021 19:22

SNp get criticised because they are the ones in power it’s as simple as that.

What I’ve learned from Brexit and what I will keep saying is that independence is just that as we will actually have no real idea of what we will actually get in the long run. If there is a referendum, all sides will tell us what it will be like but unless the terms have been agreed by both sides then who knows 🤷🏼‍♀️.

As for rejoining Europe unless the terms are agreed prior to the vote we have no idea whether we will be accepted, the terms and timescale.

If people are happy to still vote for independence on this basis, go ahead but as I say don’t assume you will get what you think you will get - remember it was only 30 years ago that the tories were the second most popular party in Scotland and the snp were the tartan tories. Stranger things have happened.

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:23

It really is.

This thread hasn’t been full of nuanced political debate

Sarahandduck18 · 26/01/2021 19:24

*I want to be able to whizz down to Manchester to fly offf on holiday, or pop to the Lake District, or on the train to London for the weekend, without a border at Gretna.

I want to know the currency I’m to be paid in. How will insurance and pensions work? If I fall ill in England will I have to pay for treatment? Will flights be extortionate as there will be a tiny captive market?*

Wouldnt it be better to be able to go on holiday from your local airport? It’s so bizarre to think it’s normal to have to travel to another country to get a flight overseas.

No one in favour of Scottish independence will put forward a plan where Scots would have to show a passport to go on holiday in England or Wales or NI.

What Westminster decides to do is something we have no influence on now or after independence.

The pound is as much Scotland’s currency as rUK’s. But most independence supporters are in support of us being paid in our own currency, backed by our own national bank, like most other nation states.

There is no reason for insurance or pensions to be adversely affected by independence. We have always had an independent legal system and laws.

Pensions could be abolished by Westminster whenever they like. Do you trust them to keep the state pension at all? It is much more likely that any Scottish Government would have more generous pension policies, for example a lower pension age than any future Westminster one.

Westminster could stop Scots accessing the English NHS tomorrow. We don’t pay into it. The union doesn’t protect this right.

There is no reason why flights would be more expensive. A Scottish government is more likely than Westminster to reduce taxes to encourage more flights in and out of Scotland.

There are so many scare stories put out by the unionist MSM but none are as scary of what Westminster will do to us if we stay in the union.

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:27

@Sarahandduck18 what about the borders with England and NI?

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:30

And how much will all this cost?

Scottishskifun · 26/01/2021 19:31

@Sarahandduck18 Hmm flights are already more expensive from Scotland than England though...... We often end up driving down to parents in Hertfordshire and flying out of London as the price difference even with the extra petrol is worth it. There was nearly 1K difference between costs of flying to NZ from Scotland and flying from London.

Calyx72 · 26/01/2021 19:31

I will vote yes for independence
I vote SNP only to get the chance to do that.
I don't like posting about it because indy supporting posts are leapt on and shaken like a dog with a bone, constant repeated questions, called naive and so on
I only post to say I am for indy really so that others know there are some of us about
The polls are great but I don't actually think the SNP leadership actually want independence now

WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:32

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No one in favour of Scottish independence will put forward a plan where Scots would have to show a passport to go on holiday in England or Wales

But this will be inevitable if we are in Europe

kamalasshaman · 26/01/2021 19:33

It will obviously cost too much for you @WouldBeGood @Graffitiqueen no matter what the benefits.
Things change and you can't plan for them. Life's unpredictable.

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WouldBeGood · 26/01/2021 19:34

@kamalasshaman eh?

Calyx72 · 26/01/2021 19:34

Don't know why I missed out my full stops sorry!

kamalasshaman · 26/01/2021 19:36

@WouldBeGood you've had at least 6 posts from different people which have given you answers as full as you could expect. You just don't want to listen, just complain.

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Graffitiqueen · 26/01/2021 19:36

Yes things do change but if I'm being asked to vote for change then I am perfectly entitled to ask questions. And if the answers I am getting don't stack up then why would I vote for it?

If I could see the benefits then I would vote for it, but all the answers are airy fairy pie in the sky hopes and dreams. I will not vote to make myself worse off, why would I?

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