No More Tiers (Enough is Enough)

[WaxOnFeckOff]

Here it is - thread 365 - was getting too twitchy....

My tiny tears wasn't necessarily a dig at NS. More who does come up with those patronising adverts?

Really I'm sure they are some sort of committee. Does anyone not find them cringeworthy?
Does anyone try it?

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

I'm glad you said that Wax, I've been silently cringing a bit at the childless comments, when NS had to publicly state that she'd had a miscarriage. The Tiny Tears comment was pretty brutal.

We've all done it though. Before you have your first child it's so easy to sit in judgement of parents and think you know it all. Then you have kids and you realise that although you thought you knew it all, you really hadn't a clue.

Don't get me wrong, I do dislike her but I think comments about stuff that they can't help is below the belt. So, for example, physical appearance is not on the table but fashion choice is, and that goes for them all.

@Lockdownbear

Well good luck teaching fractions to the cat, while ensuring the kitten doesn't die of boredom and do enough of your day job to make sure you still have a job next month!

Oh yes I agree but we were at a very low base level at that point where it didn't even occur to them that not being there for young children was an issue.

I love my (now adult) Dc intensely like most parents, I'd make a shocking teacher and don't have the patience or temperament to deal with young children while trying to work. I can't even listen to the radio and work anymore. I believe and understand that I'm not alone in that!

I’m raging tonight on the ASN teachers FB page was an article from an Edinburgh newspaper about a parent of a ASN child begging Nicola to reopen ASN schools as she was struggling and it was so difficult for parents of severe and complex needs children because the schools were closed the weather was so bad and there was nowhere for them to go.

ScotGov has said time and time again
Schools would not close for vulnerable children and one of the criteria was special needs. As a teacher working in a severe and complex needs school who has been at work teaching children single day I wonder why this school is completely closed? We have some children in 5, 4, 3 and 2 days a week plus some not in at all just now based on parental choice/shielding. Staff are working so hard making up home learning packs to send home, doing virtual lessons so the children see their faces everyday and teaching in class for the one who are in school and that’s no mean feat. Our mainstream colleagues are maybe in one or two days a week just now for key workers children. ASN sector is feeling a bit forgotten about as we can’t social distance at all as well and there’s been calls for staff to be vaccinated as a priority in order for children to be able to come back to school as soon as possible.

I guess I’m feeling extra upset about it as I’m leaving my own four children at home with my DH who is working FT and can’t really home school them, I came home yesterday to my DS in tears about his work so I’m sitting with him at night doing his work then doing my own work after that. For me today it was almost like a normal school day just a couple less children in my class. Wish they would stop saying schools are shut!

@Lockdownbear

My tiny tears wasn't necessarily a dig at NS. More who does come up with those patronising adverts?

Really I'm sure they are some sort of committee. Does anyone not find them cringeworthy?
Does anyone try it?

yes I find them very patronising, there is one that keeps coming up during FB videos about coming home tired from work and dealing with an upset child, that instead of being angry, we should sit down and chat as all they want is attention. It's not that there isn't an element of truth in that, but I remember the states and fury that DS2 would get into (for no reason) and trying to have a rational convo and give him attention just made it worse.

I remember one day, he's woken up from a nap and just completely kicked off about nothing, maybe his sock was twisted or something. Anyway his favourite book at the time was kipper the dog and i'd ordered a little stuffed kipper that had just arrived. I tried to placate him with said stuffed toy which got launched across the room and he refused to ever look at it. DS1 claimed it.

Yes just sit down and chat, chill woman, the house elfs will sort out the dinner, no bother!

Reality the parents who's wft is trying to hit a deadline so disappeared back into their corner. The kids are hungry. Whinging because they want attention and struggling with cabin fever all at the same time.

But sitting and chatting will solve it.

@Waverless I’d expect that “she” is making the same sacrifices the same as the rest of us. Not seeing her parents or family not eating out. I see this has turned into an anti SNP /NS thread again

Most people here aren't talking about seeing family or not being able to eat out. We are struggling with homeschooling our children whilst trying to work full time. A lot of the govt aren't in the same position, so whilst they may empathise, they cannot possibly understand that. That is not anti snp/ ns sentiment. It's a fact.

oh she does eat out. without a mask. remember the photograph? I'm sure she's found a way to see her family members too. And she's always too well groomed to not have had some 'help' despite the rules. And she travels to Edinburgh when she could do many of her briefings remotely. I do sympathise with her MC, that's horrible for anyone to go through, but it doesn't change the fact she has zero idea what home schooling is like. Nor does Boris if you want me to be equal in this - he doesn't see his kids and the latest is just a baby (and carrie isn't working I don't think). Swinney's kid is secondary age. Not sure about Williamson's kids.

@Lockdownbear

Well good luck teaching fractions to the cat, while ensuring the kitten doesn't die of boredom and do enough of your day job to make sure you still have a job next month!

Whilst your kitten is climbing on something and falls off hitting their head when you turn your back for 2 seconds to read an email.

Sweetkitty ASN staff have been treated appallingly and the treatment of families with ASN children has been atrocious. It’s incredible we are still in the same position as last March with no clear provision. The unions have not protected or advocated for staff and pupils in the way they should have.
Not all mainstream staff are only in a few days a weeks though. I’m teaching full time in school, we have no rotas. In infants so no social distancing and all our our learning assistants are in without distancing dealing with children too. I am also managing my class online learning too. Like yours, my own child is the one who is losing out as she’s always last to get the help she needs just now.

John Swinney spoke openly last time about the fact his family were shielding due to his wife’s health. He also spoke about his son having additional needs.

He also said his wife was doing the homeschooling whilst he worked.

It's not about them not having children. This is one of those situations that you really have to experience to really get it. Whether that's being at home with young kids, a carer who has limited respite, a young adult in a flat share working from an ironing board in your bedroom. Every day without end and with the end bring completely outwith your control.

Compared to a senior politician who still goes out to work every day, still meets and talks to different people, has staff to fix their dodgy Internet, has access to a printer and someone to buy and replace the ink when it runs out.

She needs to come up with a different catchphrase because she really doesn't understand.

But politicians have to make decisions that affect every group in society. Are we honestly saying they can't do that unless they've experienced life as a member of each group? That doesn't make sense.

How does NS maintain her hairstyle with the hairdressers being shut? I had a hair appointment two days after we went into tier 4 . I'm struggling with my fringe. I'm convinced a lot of Westminster politicians ran out and got haircuts before the last lockdown was announced.

Whilst your kitten is climbing on something and falls off hitting their head when you turn your back for 2 seconds to read an email.

That too. I'm glad my kitten has figured out how to work the telly, all he watches are Amazon cartoons, but worried about him becoming a couch potato!

I know both countries have different 'rules' but I can't decide which I'd prefer.
My LO to be able to attend nursery as England would allow, or for my oldest to be able to play out with his pals not allowed in England.

I can't help but feel the LO is getting a very raw deal. No preschool, no pals, hardly getting out either. I really wish they'd open the nurseries.

It’s just not fair on the children and there needs to be much more of a sense of urgency on getting them all back to nursery and school.

We're both key workers but wfh, in England one key worker even wfh gets your children a school place. Not delighted to discover that!

Ooh look Wednesday. After today we're over half way through another week!

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel, no, but I think it’s really difficult to understand the sheer impossibility and grinding drudge and guilt of children at home, homeschooling, working and domestic chores if you don’t have children.

Especially when you get to go out to work each day as normal, interact with other adults, and don’t have responsibility for another human being

@anon444877

We're both key workers but wfh, in England one key worker even wfh gets your children a school place. Not delighted to discover that!

Ooh look Wednesday. After today we're over half way through another week!

My DH is a KW not required to be outside the home all the time. It’s a mixture.

I’m not a KW so we’re not entitled to a nursery place.

We’re muddling through using my parents and pretty much all my annual leave.

It’s unbelievably stressful which at 6 months pregnant I could really do without.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

But politicians have to make decisions that affect every group in society. Are we honestly saying they can't do that unless they've experienced life as a member of each group? That doesn't make sense.

It’s the faux empathy that doesn’t sit right. Just words ‘believe me when I say I know how hard this is...’ works on some people, it’s a very effective communication skill, but it isn’t a genuine understanding of the situation because you’re not living it. Fact. For balance, when the cockwomble Hancock cried on breakfast TV, that was a hideous misuse of the skill.

But politicians have to make decisions that affect every group in society. Are we honestly saying they can't do that unless they've experienced life as a member of each group? That doesn't make sense

I know, it's impotent rage talking when I say they don't understand. They just need to choose their words more carefully. "I hear stories every day about how hard it is" or "I can only imagine how hard it is".

Some people will find "I know" to be comforting, I'm not one of these people.

You have to hope that in normal times taking a decision about the funding of respite care for example will be taken after extensive consultation with people who do have lived experience. That doesn't feel like it's the case right now. But they don't have time for extensive consultation, I get it. I just need to shut up and stop whining and accept patronising pats on the head from our Great Leader every day.

Russell Brand did a great YouTube talk on politicians fake crying.