Are any of you angry with N.S.

[Torvean32]

In Aberdeen she locked us down at 77 cases. We were fully locked down. 5 mile travel ban. Nobody in or out if the city unless for work/care. The lockdown lasted 3 weeks with no spread.

The cases in Glasgow were extremely high before NS took action.

So I'm asking , if you dont live in Glasgow are you annoyed that the central belt ( and related areas) spread could have been avoided?

No, as I am intelligent enough to realise that she is not making decisions single-handedly.

Something that seems to be lacking in some.

She could and should have got on top of it sooner and we could be coming out of tier 4, not going into it at the busiest time of year for all these poor businesses who now can’t trade.

@DumplingsAndStew

No, as I am intelligent enough to realise that she is not making decisions single-handedly.

Something that seems to be lacking in some.

lol

No.

It's an ever evolving situation than no country has managed to find the solution too so it's all guess work really.

I'm far from an SNP or NS supporter (intact, especially not an NS supporter!) but I do think that everyone is trying their best with the information they have, mistake have been made of course but it's very much damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Thing is all her farting around and dithering around will only make it worse for Glasgow. I just hope Glasgow remember this at the election. Sadly I fear they won’t. They’d vote for a dogshit if it had a black and yellow rosette on. Some kind of weird Stockholm Syndrome thing, I dunno.

Not at all. She’s doing a difficult job well.

Not angry. Would have preferred a gardener lockdown earlier to dive down cases like Ireland, in hindsight, but we are where we are.

I remember back in the summer when Aberdeen was locked down more than Glasgow, and it was PROOF that she was treating Glasgow better than Aberdeen because of indyref. And now Glasgow’s locked down worse than Aberdeen and that’s it’s still PROOF apparently. Maybe not everything’s about who voted for what in 2014. Maybe it’s all just a nightmare of a mess and they’re flailing their way through it.

HARSHER lockdown not gardener lockdown! Those bloody SNP-supporting gardeners

@Shortfeet

Not at all. She’s doing a difficult job well.

Jesus. If this is doing it well I’d hate to see what doing it badly would look like!

No. I think she isnt perfect but is trying v v hard. There were complex reasons why Glasgow numbers were different. Whether you believe it or not of course is a diff matter but they had a v comprehensive set of guidelines as to why.

I think secondary schools, esp for upper years should move to blended. Be in alternate days or something. Mon wed fri one week and tue thur the next. The sheer numbers in at once is crazy for an age group that its spreading a lot in. And being in alternate days keeps motivation up and allows them to check in in person. Ones which specific circumstances could be jn full time but generally most that age should manage blended. I know a lot will say they didnt do anything in lockdown but tnay was a diff time. Everyone was in absolute panic mode. And their mental health if in half time will be much better than off full time.

I'm not angry, but a bit bemused as to how it took so long to move some areas into tier 3 and now tier 4. Like Westminster government it always seems like 3 weeks or so too late.

The Aberdeen lockdown WAS different, it was proven to be from pubs so hospitality was quickly shut down, and, it worked!

It's a shame that it has come to having to lock people into their own council areas but I think it is necessary and needed. If travel restrictions were not being put in place then we cannot protect those in lower tiers and we will eventually end up in total lockdown again. There will always be the stronghold of people who think it will be okay for them to nip over to Edinburgh for a day out and visit Smyths for Xmas shopping, or those who want a day trip up to the highlands for a bar lunch and so and so. It is the little infringements that become a danger when 1 thinks 'oh it won't do any harm' and 10,000 other folk are thinking the same.

I'm all for schools remaining open when they can, the education and mental health of our young people quite rightly needs to be forefront in any decisions. I'm reluctantly starting to think though that, especially in tier 4 areas (and possibly tier 3) that we should go back to home learning or at least blended learning for the same period these restrictions are in place. That way we do stand a good chance of reducing the number of new cases. Without this is all seems a bit futile...

Genuinely what is it everyone is v angry at Ns for? Honestly not sure. Not being goady. I keep seeing people mention the care home lack of testing situ. I have lost family to that exact situation so I agree that was shit. However. I think they have taken steps to change. They made plans on that at a time when they were being bombarded with scenes in italy of bodies in street. So wanted as many hosp spaces as poss. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I genuinely believe her when she was saying those decisions will haunt her.

To be clear I am not an SNP voter. So I don't have an obsessive NS fandom thing. I genuinely think she communicates well and is trying v hard to cautiously balance stuff.

Perhaps though I'm comparing it to the shit show that is the garbled updates from bj and by that standard any leadership looks good.

@MyNameIsAlexDrake yes agree about time frame. Shielding now from Fri being advised not to attend school. But numbers were higher few weeks ago. It's just that they have plateaued high. So dont see how school was ok for shileding staff/pupils then but not now. That bit makes no logic

No I’m not angry at NS why would I be? I am however really fucking raging at the arsehole parents in my dc class who travelled from North Lanarkshire to Wester Ross at the weekend for an adults getaway before lockdown.
That is who you should be angry with not the FM. The absolute fannies who have and will continue to flout the rules.
And I take great offence at the suggestion that I might be a bit daft to think otherwise. But the NS haters feel free to crack on.

I am tired, rather than angry. I got covid before the first lockdown when community transmission was high and there was no testing available and you were being asked to wait seven days with symptoms before you called 111, and even then it was almost impossible to get medical care if you could string a sentence together (ie you were still able to breathe). When I look back and think about how much pain I was in, and know that I still have chest pain now, I do wonder if some intervention might have helped. As it is, my doctor has little to offer and nobody can really tell me when this pain will go away (it has improved, to be true, but looking back, it was excruciating for quite a long time). We were apparently protecting the NHS but it was and is impossible to access the NHS for any medical support.

So I feel like the first lockdown was too late and the same here - but then I also feel for the small businesses and hospitality industry who somehow need to survive and have done their utmost to make their premises safe; and for people who mentally need some level of normality. The longer term economic consequences of this will also do harm and are doing harm already.

I think abandoning any provision and resources for blended learning in the summer was a mistake and it would make sense higher up the school. As it is, there are children missing out through self-isolation and it is not clear what provision is in place for them.

So, yes, I think it is a mess but I don’t have the energy to be angry. I do think an effective opposition would be good - that is necessary for democracy and not what we currently have.

@BugCatcher879

Why do you think "esp senior years" should move to Blended Learning? Surely, as these are the pupils with upcoming exams and qualification assessments, they are those most in need of face to face schooling?

I'm also confused what the complaints are from some - was it that Aberdeen was locked down to early, or that other places were locked down too late, or a bit of both?

I like the mental gymnastics from the Sturgettes on how different the situation in lucky Aberdeen was, compared to Glasgow, where the problem is simply unsolvable. It is always guaranteed to put a smile on your face

These posts always end the same way. People judge her actions to manage the pandemic according to their own interpretation of the evidence - and to some extent their underlying political beliefs. Irl the people I know overwhelmingly support her. But on here there is no point in wasting time arguing your position because of a group of strongly anti SNP supporters who then insult anyone who a valid opposing opinion by calling them things like “Sturgettes” .
So sadly there’s no real discussion - just angry rants

I agree, bakeoff, calling people ‘idiot supporters’ and ‘Sturgettes’ is really bargain basement political discussion. Fine to have critical views of how things are handled, I’m sure even some of us idiots do, but it’s just the same old dull bitterness that makes for a boring discussion. I’d love us all to try to understand one another better.

Strictkybakeoff I think key point when you say ‘people judge her efforts’ is that NS has been front and centre here when it is actually a government which should be acting (or is acting?). We are in a situation where one person is seen as responsible for the whole situation, which is a failure of government and of democracy if this is indeed the case.

@KatySun

Strictkybakeoff I think key point when you say ‘people judge her efforts’ is that NS has been front and centre here when it is actually a government which should be acting (or is acting?). We are in a situation where one person is seen as responsible for the whole situation, which is a failure of government and of democracy if this is indeed the case.

Totally agree with you @Katysun

I am not a Sturgeon hater. I have actually been very supportive of her until recently but I now do not think she is handling it well.

In Aberdeen. My anger is reserved for the pub landlords, who created the earlier lock down , and repeated their lax ways last week, very publicly; who then say ‘oops’ and get to carry on.
I detest the SNP, but there are some pub owners who are more deserving of criticism right now.

@Svelteinmydreams, I scarcely believe that pub landlords in Glasgow, Dumfries or Penzance are necessarily more virtuous than those in Aberdeen. Probably the former get less attention from the media, hence the lesser perception of "evil doings" by the public.

I’m on the fence in general about NS, but not taking measures early on in Glasgow looks like it was politics over public health and that is very poor leadership.