Christmas restrictions

[babygroups]

What's your predictions on what NS will allow for Christmas? Still no mixing households? Cap on number of people? Just interested in seeing what other people think the rules will be by then.

Who really cares, it's just a day. All this angst about what will happen at Xmas is getting on my nerves. I'm just waiting for the asda/tesco /aldi adverts of families coming together over zoom. Yawn yawn yawn.
Do what you bloody like for one day then go back to the rules

I didn't realise my op was particularly angst ridden 🤷🏼‍♀️

Know what pisses me off? How quickly people in this country have handed over their rights to decide their own risks and have control over their lives, expecting that their government will keep them "safe".

The initial lock down had one purpose and that was to prevent the NHS getting overwhelmed. It did that more than successfully, more than half of the NHS staff were twiddling their thumbs for months whilst a small number were absolutely working as hard as a human could.

It also pisses me off that we've gone from complaining that the government are not funding properly to blaming the general public if the NHS gets busy.

All the while, people are set against each other to snitch, blame and generally believe that we didn't wash our hands enough, didn't wear masks properly, didn't distance enough, hugged their dying family members etc etc

And its all fucking bollocks. Risk can't be eliminated from life but a nice compliant population, scared to step out their box is a government's dream.

7 months in and we are still not getting proper information about how many are dying from covid and how many just happen to have it when they had a stroke, walked in front of a train, had terminal cancer. Testing and track and trace are not working properly either. That'll be the general public's fault too.

Meanwhile in Sweden, life goes on perfectly normally....

I'm not planning anything. I just had to cancel my October holiday so not going to let myself be disappointed again.

@waitforitwaitforit

I'm not planning anything. I just had to cancel my October holiday so not going to let myself be disappointed again.

Why? We were told that if you had plans to travel within the UK, you could still go. Or were you hoping to go overseas?

I was going to stay with my parents. No other accommodation options where they stay.

@FelicityPike

She’ll be feeling it too, missing her family. She’s human the same as the rest of us. If people did what they were told in the first place we might not have such restrictions in place! It’s not the Government’s fault, it’s the public’s.

Why do people keep spouting this bullshit? We had tiny numbers of cases due to people sticking well to the rules. They increased due to schools and unis going back!

@FelicityPike

She’ll be feeling it too, missing her family. She’s human the same as the rest of us. If people did what they were told in the first place we might not have such restrictions in place! It’s not the Government’s fault, it’s the public’s.

This is absolute rubbish.

People's lives have been turned upside down indefinitely. It is no way to live and sooner or later something else will need to be done. People have complied with the measures on the whole but we're doing this on the grounds that it is leading to us getting back to normal as quickly as possible. People do not want to do this for years and if it's not working in a reasonable time frame they'll decide it's a crap strategy and not worth the heartache and misery it's causing,

Someone wrote yesterday that people fear Lockdown more than they fear covid and I think there is a fair bit of truth in that.

This year it's my turn to host Christmas.
5 siblings, 5 partners 20+ nieces and nephews and now their children as well.
Hope we are in lockdown.🤣🤣🤣

@babygroups

*Who really cares, it's just a day. All this angst about what will happen at Xmas is getting on my nerves. I'm just waiting for the asda/tesco /aldi adverts of families coming together over zoom. Yawn yawn yawn. Do what you bloody like for one day then go back to the rules*

I didn't realise my op was particularly angst ridden 🤷🏼‍♀️

Sorry op, your right, I'm just being crabbit and techy. Apologies!

It’s not the fault of the public. The public has been hugely obedient.

The government has failed us, here and in England. It’s a mess. No effective track and trace, no planning, just floundering about with ever more esoteric rules.

I’ll be having DD here for Christmas regardless and visiting my old dad.

But as to what she will do, I’ll guess she’ll say you can have family over, socially distanced and they can’t stay over. A special treat for the day 🙄

I'm tempted to keep my secondary kids off school the 2 weeks before Christmas so we can see my elderly family without too much risk.

Maybe a 2 week shutdown in the weeks before the holidays then everyone can mingle more over Christmas?

(I realise of course that any form of restriction at any time is going to hurt someone)

I think it will be 6 people 2 households.

Remember single adults can form a bubble with one other household - that bubble counts as one household.

It's not clear if a household can form two bubbles with two single adults, ie a couple with bubbles with both his mum and her mum.

God, it's so depressing. DH and I haven't seen our family in Scotland since February. We were meant to come over in summer, that got panned, and we took tickets for Christmas instead. And now it's going to come and go and we still can't come. DHs mum has been ill, and moved to a care home since then, his Dad has been really struggling. Our children haven't seen any of their grandparents since February, and vice versa. My mum is really struggling now, my two are her only grandchildren and she's very close to them - we usually see them at least 3 times a year despite not living in Scotland.

There's no chance is there, that the France / UK quarantine will be lifted, is there? It doesn't even get talked about any more.

@miimblemomble

God, it's so depressing. DH and I haven't seen our family in Scotland since February. We were meant to come over in summer, that got panned, and we took tickets for Christmas instead. And now it's going to come and go and we still can't come. DHs mum has been ill, and moved to a care home since then, his Dad has been really struggling. Our children haven't seen any of their grandparents since February, and vice versa. My mum is really struggling now, my two are her only grandchildren and she's very close to them - we usually see them at least 3 times a year despite not living in Scotland.

There's no chance is there, that the France / UK quarantine will be lifted, is there? It doesn't even get talked about any more.

Im the opposite of you. I want to go from Scotland to England. Nicola Sturgeon says they want to allow students home. So if they can go then i am too.

It's the UK Government's dedication to diverting public money to its friends. See here for just a couple of examples of what it's been doing:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/government-covid-contracts-britain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-trace

The Scottish Government is just Ms Sturgeon and she is way out of touch with public opinion

Problem is, even in normal, non pandemic times, there is a spike in the death rate in the first full week of January. For several reasons including old/ill people who've hung on for Christmas and then died. But the traveling and mixing of people around Christmas also contributes to the spread of infections and the peak in deaths.
If they relax restrictions for Christmas January could be fucking awful for access to health services.

Yep. Years ago we were told to wait til January for more houses to come on the market...

WaxOnFeckOff, a great post and as always I completely agree with nearly everything you say. (I’m a bit late to this thread) I am not in the least worried about Covid but I am very anxious and worried about lockdown and the way people are behaving more and more in extreme ways. So much rudeness, anger and aggression in shops. Scotland is turning into Narnia under the White Queen, always winter and never Christmas, nothing much to look forward to at the moment.

Scotland is turning into Narnia under the White Queen, always winter and never Christmas

I love this. Please can I borrow it?

It’s neither the public nor the government’s “fault” it’s a virus. It doesn’t give a shit if you were “good” or not. It is what it is and takes any opportunity to spread.
Assuming we’re in tier 2 or lower we will probably visit 3 or so households spread over the two weeks and just hope that we don’t spread anything between them.

The government has singularly failed to provide proper track and trace, and to shore up the NHS during the first lockdown. And refuse to consider sensible measures such as reducing quarantine to days to increase compliance.

They have sent infected people to care homes, yet don’t allow family visits.

Other NHS services have gone to shit.

They have also introduced measures, such as with hospitality, and gyms, with no evidence base. They are causing the destruction of people’s lives without any evidence that this is justified or helps stop the spread of the virus.

People have therefore stopped listening to them. I see this in my neighbourhood where people have been very obedient but are now totally fucked off with the arbitrary and paradoxical restrictions.

WouldBeGood Glad you liked it, feel free to drop this into your everyday digital conversations. 🌺

@AmadeustheAlpaca

WaxOnFeckOff, a great post and as always I completely agree with nearly everything you say. (I’m a bit late to this thread) I am not in the least worried about Covid but I am very anxious and worried about lockdown and the way people are behaving more and more in extreme ways. So much rudeness, anger and aggression in shops. Scotland is turning into Narnia under the White Queen, always winter and never Christmas, nothing much to look forward to at the moment.

Aww thanks. Is that a vote for Waxy as FM? That'll piss off a lot of posters on here! :o :o

I love your way with words as well, I might also steal your phrase but most of the people I deal with wouldn't get that :o

Waxy as FM and AmadeustheAlpaca for deputy.

Could you please organise for the timely arrival of summer?