Nicola Sturgeon on Andrew Marr

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Supposed to be going on short holiday to England next weekend.

Have just watched NS talking about possibility of closing the (non existent) border between Scotland and Enland if the 'risk' goes up

Should I be concerned/cancelling ?

Surely with regional lockdowns the people in the infected area are asked not to travel - hard to see how that can ever translate to asking all people living in England not to travel to Scotland.

There are certainly grandparents from England planning to visit their Scottish grandchildren over the holidays.

@anon444877

Surely with regional lockdowns the people in the infected area are asked not to travel - hard to see how that can ever translate to asking all people living in England not to travel to Scotland.

There are certainly grandparents from England planning to visit their Scottish grandchildren over the holidays.

Did you actually read your first paragraph?

So people can be asked not to travel between regions but if it's between Scotland and England then that's ridiculous and won't work?

People can be asked. They can choose not to or they can be considerate and comply. The welsh police were turning people away at the border for a while

The tone of your posts is pretty unkind @sonicbook - I’m worried about my kids being able to see their grandparents.

I’ll attempt to explain better for you - I can’t see the benefit of asking people from low risk areas of England not to travel to Scotland unless it’s a political point.

My parents for example live in a low risk part of England, so they shouldn’t be able to come to a low outbreak part of Scotland for what reason exactly?

I’m assuming they can take care with their travel plan to avoid going through high risk areas.

If you think someone who is mixed race is incapable of being racist themselves then you are the ones removed from reality. Do some research on the experiences of Asian Americans and Hispanics in America for example.

how do you propose the border is protected from the germy English? My point is that the army cannot be used, the police cannot be used - what then? Stop and take names of everyone entering? Who will do that and how?

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

And on that note, I'm done on this thread.

It’s completely reasonable to restrict movement from regions like Leicester that are having outbreaks, and I don’t think anyone would take issue with that. Similarly if every region in England was experiencing outbreaks there would be a case for restricting movement to and from the whole of England too. But otherwise it’s disproportionate to restrict movement from the whole of England, because England is not a foreign country - we are all citizens of the U.K.

I’ll attempt to explain better for you - I can’t see the benefit of asking people from low risk areas of England not to travel to Scotland unless it’s a political point.

And I'll attempt to explain it better for you. This is a totally hypothetical discussion. We are nowhere near the possibility of the border being an issue.

@YonBonnieBanks

If you think someone who is mixed race is incapable of being racist themselves then you are the ones removed from reality. Do some research on the experiences of Asian Americans and Hispanics in America for example.

how do you propose the border is protected from the germy English? My point is that the army cannot be used, the police cannot be used - what then? Stop and take names of everyone entering? Who will do that and how?

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

And on that note, I'm done on this thread.

Who said anything about mixed rave I must have missed this.

Who policed then welsh border when they asked for it to be very briefly closed - goodwill of ordinary decent humans and the police that's who.

I haven't read an idiotic post yet - from either side of the argument. Sorry you feel that way.

Au revoir @YoonBonnie

@Anon you'll be fine. NS's only said she can't rule it out. Possibility of it happening are slim to none. I know how much you'll be looking forward to it. We're in same boat- first time in 6 months in two weeks. Cannot wait.

well I hope you are right about that @sonicbook as it makes little sense.

Fingers crossed @MumofHunter its been longer than that, I hope it can go ahead.

Yes you put it better @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us it could only be a border issue if every region of rUK was high risk surely.

If I had a hotel or self catering in Scotland frankly I’d be in despair by now, the media isn’t helping whipping up these fears.

She can't close the border.

I'm really fucked off with this posturing.

People, like me, are looking forward to holidays she said last week were ok. There's no data to support this and it causes upset and uncertainty.

And it will ruin the tourist trade, who's going to plan a visit here?

Together with the schools fiasco I am beyond fucked off.

Unless there's been a further update that I've missed, the strongest thing she's said on it is it can't rule it out' ... pretty sure that you could present any old scenario to a politician and that's what they'd say.

I'd calm down your holiday will be fine.

It just causes upset and uncertainty though. Totally needless.

Not totally needless because she probably can't rule it out. It would be very unlikely to happen.

We couldn't rule out the earth being destroyed by a meteorite this year but it's not going to happen.

Stop getting yourself all riled up about nothing.

George Galloway has suggested he would relish tearing the SNP to pieces in court if they tried to stop him at the border.

It cannot be done, nowhere in the UK can you ask a citizen for ID unless it is specified in law.

They could require that you register for quarantine under statutory instrument via the Coronavirus Health Protection legislation in Scotland. M

I know that it most likely won't happen but could just do with one bloody thing to look forward to without all this pish.

And to demonstrate I'm truly Scottish my phone autocorrects to say "pish" 😂

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Yet again, NO ONE is talking about stopping cars at the border or asking anyone to show ID. Why say it when you know it's totally made up BS.

People say it to discredit NS, and try and make her out to be stupid. She has said time and time again this is a health thing, not an opportunity to put up a border. But the media and certain posters here are all desperate to make it an Snp thing.

It must be doing her head in. She looked knackered on the telly yesterday.

This has happened already to an extent.
The area I live in had a small outbreak last week and people here were not allowed to travel more than 5 miles .
This was because England had opened pubs.

It's not a question of it being said to discredit her: she said it herself. It's not helpful if you're trying to make plans. She's not the only one who's exhausted.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us - actually the constitutional position of the UK is that it’s a union of four different countries although it’s one state in international law. Obviously one area of the UK could be shut off from the rest but that’s unlikely to happen

If it's a health thing, why apply it to the whole of England, when most of England has similarly low infection rates as Scotland? Surely the non-political thing to do (and the one that the tourism industry would probably welcome) would be to ask travellers from high risks parts of the UK to quarantine on arrival. This is proportionate and totally understandable, and doesn't send out the message that Scotland is closed for business at a time when the economy desperately needs holiday makers, including from elsewhere in the UK.