Change Notre Dame High School from girls only

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I have 2 children, currently at Notre Dame Primary in Glasgow. I have only just discovered, due to a recent campaign that my son and daughter will not be able to go to the same High School.

Girls are enrolled into Notre Dame High School, an all girls high school, this is state funded and a total anomaly, the only one of its kind in Scotland. My daughter must go there unless I can get her into another local school via a placing request, becoming increasingly difficult in the West End.

My son has to go to the linked school 3 miles away, St Thomas Aquinas, if I can't get him into another school which is closer.

Over 75% of the girls in this girls only school come from a distance via placing request. So this has an impact on the local community and the environment.

There is a campaign to change this which is how I became aware that my children would not even be allowed to go to St Thomas Aquinas without a placing request for my daughter.

In 2018 there is no place for an all girls school as it is discriminatory. Schools should serve their local area first.

Campaign is here for anyone that is interested and wants to help change it. Particularly people from Glasgow.

www.ndh4all.net

20% is significant?? Really??? it's meant to be the majority if pupils who are local. Of course it's not significant. The figure speaks for itsself.

dancemom the figures show that there are around 200 out of 800 spaces in ND High unfilled. 81% of those pupils are by placing request from outside the catchment, its not meeting local needs. To argue that it is is ridiculous.

1/4 under capacity is not 2/3 ... so you are quoting figures that are nonsense and invalidating all your points by doing so!

dance arguing over percent doesn't change the facts and it doesn't invalidate the argument that local needs are not being met, 81% of pupils are from outside the intended catchment. Thats the crux of the issue.

The Scottish govt handily publishes school numbers. In 2016 NDHS had 648 pupils on roll, with between 89 (S6) and 123 (S4) girls per stream. Not the biggest secondary in Glasgow but by no means the smallest.

It wasn't even the smallest in the West End, Cleveden had 560 and Jordanhill 575. The Gaelic school had only 286.

I'm for making all schools non-Dom and co-ed. Access in the first instance to all children in the immediate catchment, placements considered once local needs are met.

Ok op you’re unclear on % and other salient points like school handbook on school home page that details the high school destinations

I'd like to see more specialisation. I think what we have just now- Gaelic/ Catholic- is too narrow. I find the people who send their child to the Gaelic school while mumping on about sectarian divides a wee bit hypocritical.

I'd like to see a Glasgow School of Music, or Science. I think we need to have some discussions about Islamic schools being set up, or Polish or Urdu schools.

Spaces would be available to all children across Glasgow. Really high-quality education could be provided instead of all catchment children being lumped in together regardless of need and aptitude.

Lipstick you can't read, I said webpage, I linked to the webpage I was referring to, the info about the separate schools is NOT on there. I didn't mention the handbook. You have been called out on threads I've been on before several times about your goady repetitive posts that are focused on personal attacks. I will go back to ignoring you and your irrelavancies.

Dilutant the capacity of the school is important too. You've ignored that. You've also ignored that only 19% of pupils are local in a school that is meant to serve the locality. Why don't you tell me why it's OK that the school isn't meeting local need??

I have said that I am a parent at NDPS, I suspect others here have an interest they haven't declared and they aren't imperial but they refuse to state it.

Because, as a Glaswegian (and incidentally, a cradle Catholic), I have always understood NDHS accepts pupils from across the city. It is clearly still fulfilling that purpose. I don't see it as a school built to serve one of the wealthiest areas in the city.

It was totally expected when I went to school (at the other end of the city) that there would be some girls who went to NDHS.

And the capacity is mentioned nowhere on line- can you provide figures for that?

Dilutant I believe the complete opposite of you. All schools should be catchment schools of sufficient size to offer comprehensive provision of all subjects and a diverse social mix.

I have musical / STEM inclined DDs at the local catchment school. If they want more music specialism this is provided at council wide level and they also have the opportunity to work with the Conservatoire and RSNO etc. If they want religion of all varieties Glasgow has plenty of options. If they want more science all of the Unis do loads of collaborative projects with schools and direct engagement. The same is true for sport throughout Glasgow.

My DC have benefited from all of these options throughout their schooling and I can only see specialism in core schooling narrowing opportunities.

OP, I don't think you're going to get reasonable responses on this thread. I think there are posters with an agenda here probably Notre Dame Parents who wish to maintain it's status quo & are going to argue silly points with you.

Let's hope Glasgow City Council have the guts to end divisive schooling, and those who wish their child to have a minority education will have to pay privately for it.

Your mo on thread has been to be disparaging to posts and posters who don’t concur
You said the high school destination info wasn’t available. It is readily avail

I’m not an ND parent.Only beanie is,I think.And an ex pupil posted
So that’s hardly a groundswell of nd parents
The nd parent with an agenda is the op

Where are you getting your figures from anyway ?
A third, not 19% of the intake is from the catchment area
The school is not down on 200 pupils. The capacity is 750 and there are around 660 on roll .
Am sure you'll come on and say the figures don't actually matter and are insignificant.

I agree More some with an agenda who don't want to declare it. One who's just interested in repeating herself over and over again and has form for this type of petty behaviour on other threads too.

Time to quit the thread. Here's hoping that the consultation is done soon, in line with the catchment one and GCC dont waste money doing 2 separate exercises.

Of course you agree with more,her post is affirmative

I think most posts have been very reasoned. I am not an ND parent but why should they not defend the school? What gives your opinion more importance than anyone else's?

Op has posted the info wasn’t available to her.its readily available
Locally it’s common knowledge where the destination schools are
And if you want a local g12 high school you attend the feeder primary

Isn't the issue that there's a state funded school which accepts only girls?

Noone saying NDHS parents shouldn't post Dilutant but they are hiding their own agenda
Most posts have been reasoned with people saying why they support NDHS, and single sex education.

There's a particular poster who has repeated herself every post she has made - She has nothing else to add, no valid points that add to the debate. no need to post the same rubbish over and over. She has form for repeated personal attacks on other threads and comes across in general as pretty unpleasant, and not just on this thread.

Moonmaker link to your figure? Mine has come directly from GCC figures. That's the only remaining interest for me on this thread..

No. I’ve challenged your incorrect assertion.its a shame yiure caught out
But the info was out there, online and locally
I have not been mean or attacked you. Yiu don’t like the content of my posts
Repetitive?I’m not suddenly going to say.hey yiu know what the school handbook isn’t online. You’re right it’s an opaque system. Because it’s not true

Where have I said the handbook wasn't online lipstick show me. I said the info about the separate schools wasn't on the website page I linked to, and it's not. It may be on a linked document on another page. I didn't say it wasn't.

Which incorrect assertation have you challenged? How have I been caught out by you?

You have been caught out as a sad little person who enjoys making irrelevant personal attacks, you have repeated over and over and over how I should have done my research. It's the only thing you've had to say in your very many posts. That's a personal attack. You have form for it, its not just me who holds this view

Instead of fixating on statistics & handbooks, could someone please justify why taxpayers should be funding a state single-sex school?

No answers to that one?

Ahh yes let’s not fixate on the fact the destination high schools being freely available
Let’s not fixate that this was wholly avoidable.
Let’s not fixate on the fact op only just discovered the destination high schools

Instead,let’s have an abstract tangential discussion to lead away from the points the op is steadfastly avoiding

No, it's about people wanting to access an elitist education, funded by the state, whilst the NDH has capacity to provide places & the local schools are full.

Where's the logic in that?