So is IndyRef2 dead and buried after the General Election?

[MacarenaFerreiro]

So SNP lost 21 seats on Thursday and most people believe this is because of their Indy obsession.

Does losing so many seats mean we can forget about another referendum for the foreseeable (once in a generation, remember) and if we can, what's the point of the SNP?

Personally I think Ms Sturgeon totally misjudged it in the same way as May did - she thought that she would lose maybe a couple of seats in the election but nowhere near 22. She certainly didn't expect to see high profile Nats like Salmond, Robertson and Nicolson out on their ears. Half a million voters almost switched to pro-Union parties.

But of course the SNP will say they're still the biggest party in Scotland, still have a mandate, still have an obligation to push for Indy yadda yadda yadda. They've been pretty quiet since Friday mind you...

Actually, I'm not sorry at all, got mixed up there!

As I said delusional. Anyway glad we're all happy. Have to say i enjoyed my glass of champagne celebrating Salmond's exit. The look on his face was reminiscent of indyref1, which was all i had hoped for.

I'm glad you enjoyed your

your gloating, and I hope the bitterness didn't spoil the taste of your wine

Sorry, champagne

Oh it was very sweet, very very sweet .

I thought you were the one gloating, after all you "won".

I wouldn't say it's dead and buried, I don't think it will ever go away entirely, but certainly kicked into the long grass for now. The SNP have been given a bloody nose for sure but they're not down and out.

I've said elsewhere that I'm not surprised by the SNP losing seats but I was surprised by how many, and by the Labour revival.

When you look at the results, what's interesting is how close many of them were. Lots of very small majorities - many of which could go either way at the next election - whenever that is of course. My MP had a huge majority at the last election but that's been slashed to just over 1,000.

The problem with the SNP and the yessers is that they are a bunch, if you pardon my saying so, hypocrites. They don't give, if you pardon my saying so again, a toss about Brexit; that represents simply a convenient excuse. After Brexit there will be another one and another and another ad infinitum.
Besides, it is SO immoral to link one's situation to something like Brexit... for a start, it won't be known for years to come whether Brexit is going to be a success, so to have a referendum in 2018 makes no sense because the voter will be none the wiser (especially with all the spin provided by the SNP, with Nicola master bamboozler at the helm), but to say that if you don't like X-Y you are just going to pack up and leave makes the SNP supporters like not-so-glorified harlots.
For me it is not a matter of whether Scotland should stay in the Union. For me, it should stay, and that's it; just like for the SNP they should leave disregarding anything else. If they acknowledge that they would be at least a little bit more intellectually honest.
Besides, in case someone didn't notice, Scotland is NOT quite like India...

Arkadia, you are talking, if you pardon my saying so, rubbish. Harlots? Brexit is fairly major, I think you are the only person who disagrees. The SNP were elected on a manifesto that said IF Brexit is voted for THEN we should have a choice on whether to go along with it. That was when they got their massive landslide so people did agree with it. What on earth do you think, that Brexit is just a wee everyday occurrence?

Oh look. Another SNP bashing thread. Unionists are the ones obsessed with independence. Remember, Sturgeon asked for the second referendum before TM called the general election. So I don't think she misjudged it. I think the Tories and Scottish Labour played a divisive game and pitted unionists against nationalists for their own gain. Hard Brexit will be a disaster for Scotland and the only glimmer of light is the SNPs tenacity when it comes to having Scotland's interests front and centre.

SNP spin at its finest. The UK is leaving the EU. That means ALL of the UK. Scotland included. Saint Nicola cannot single handedly swoop in and save Scotland from Brexit, she cannot sort things out so that in some way Scotland gets a different deal from everyone else. She's not that important, not that special, doesn't have the superpowers to stop it. All she can do is hector at May to get a deal which she thinks Scotland wants. Scotland is leaving the EU - get used to it.

If Scotland at some point decides it wants to join the EU again it would have to apply to do so. I'm sure they'd let us in - with conditions like joining the Euro.

But all this "Brexit means another Indyref" is just crap .

Why on earth should the SNP be exempt from criticism? No other political party is, and nor should they be. That's a very dangerous road to go down.

Nobody has said or implied that the SNP shouldn't be criticised. It just seems that that's all they ever get on this board.

And Macarena. Doesn't it seem a bit off that Scotland doesn't get a say? If most people in Scotland want a different deal then we should get a chance to have one. That's democracy. We are a nation and a country in a union, it's not supposed to be a stranglehold and a hankie stuffed in our mouths. If the union is not good for Scotland we should be able to leave. And if not, why not? Who says we're not allowed? Why shouldn't we be allowed? This is all given, of course, a majority of Scotland wants it. If that is not the case then yes, fair enough, we do what the majority want.

The absolute terror of unionists on here at the idea of Scotland being given the chance to choose.

Yes, harlots, not because Brexit is not important, but it is not a country breaker. Brexit is an excuse. Had that referendum failed you would have found a different one. Proof is that you started talking about indyref2 minutes after indyref1.
Salmond couldn't even say that there won't be indyref3... Also I bet you that the SNP spin will be that whatever the deal, it will be a bad deal.
A country is together for the good and the bad. If you stay, as the SNP claims, only for the good and when it suits you, then...

A landslide is what it is, i.e. a landslide. A landslide shouldn't be confused with the second coming or with a zombie apocalypse. What these times have taught us is that the future is far from certain and a landslide can turn into annihilation in a very short period of time.
Do you REALLY want to jeopardise a union that has withstood for 3-400 years based a a landslide or a simple majority at a referendum, given that public opinion is so fickle?

And at least the snp could have the decency and integrity to spell out that they want a referendum now, and that Brexit has nothing to do with it. At least they would look a bit less like harlots...

Nyx, in case you forgot, we had a referendum 2 years ago. Not 200 years, followed by decades of famine, oppression and forced labour. No, TWO years...
Let's talk about indyrefN, not indyref2, at least you'll be honest.

Doesn't it seem a bit off that Scotland doesn't get a say?

We had a say, or did you miss that? We had an independence referendum in 2014 and decided to stay in the UK. Then last year the UK voted to leave the EU. The fact that figures show Scottish people preferred to remain is neither here nor there - the decision was made on a UK basis. I'm not particularly happy with Brexit either but accept that in the UK, i'm in the minority with that.

Yessers totally boil my piss over this - it's OK to disregard the result of any referendum you don't agree with. Democratic my arse.

Arkadia, the SNP don't want a referendum 'now' and Brexit is rather a lot to do with it.

Macarena, I'm sorry you think that the will of the Scottish people is 'neither here nor there'. That's where we differ. Democratic my arse indeed.

Nyx you are being deliberately obtuse. The Brexit referendum was a UK wide vote. Everyone's vote counted the same as everyone else's. It was a UK decision - Scotland is a part of the UK but the votes of 6 million in Scotland don't outweight the 54 million elsewhere just because Nippy didn't like the result.

Nyx, the SNP wants a referendum.
Once they lose that, they will want another one and another and another. But that's fine, as long as we are clear about it.
Brexit is neither here nor there (nor should it be).

Macarena, the voters in Scotland agreed with our First Minister when she put in her manifesto 'If Scotland votes to stay in the EU and the rest of the UK's votes end up dragging us out, then we should have another referendum'. The SNP were elected on that manifesto. You obviously disagree but it is a fact. So perhaps I am not the one being obtuse.

Nyx the SNP, Labour and Conservatives all campaigned in Scotland for a Remain vote to stave off Indyref2. A lot of people on the fence chose on this basis. EU ref turn out in Scotland was significantly lower than rUK and much much lower than for the Indyref NO vote. The SNP 50% polling is now 37% since their insistence on pushing Indyref2.

That does not sound like agreeing with the FM to me. Waiting for the Greens to reassess their assessment of Scottish support for Indyref2.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/03/scottish-greens-will-back-snp-over-indyref-2%3Famp

You're welcome

Oops, that was from march! Sorry!