Guardians for all children

[HazyMazy]

I don't normally follow Scottish politics, just Westminster, however was watching the mid day prog, First Ministers questions, on tv lately.

I was wondering how the Guardian for every child in Scotland, legislation passed by the SnP in 2014, went down with Scottish mums.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11221902/Legal-fight-starts-over-SNP-state-guardian-for-every-child.html

It seems a crazy idea, though well meaning, and had I been a mum of young DCs at the time would have been incensed.
Was there an outcry at the time? I don't think the law has been removed.

ha ha - we'll as all the rest of Europe are apparantly their new bffs, it'll have to be English. I saw a picture someone had made to describe who Scotland saw as neighbours and it was all of Europe except England - I thought it was pretty funny.

Why more people aren't calling out that SNP are wanting rid of westminster so that they can self rule while at the same time trying to scrabble into the top bunk bed with Europe (whilst Angela Merker et al are kicking NS off the ladder)

The SNP should just rename themselves the WE HATE ENGLAND party and be done with it.

I'm off to stock up on Buxton water in the morning.

I'm going to the lakes at the Easter holidays - I'll remember to stock up @ Booths. I'm a bit wary of legislation changing when I'm gone and not being allowed back in. I think it's also illegal to mention that the Lake District is beautiful as everyone knows that you can only get nice scenery in Scotland.

If questioned at the border coming back from Lake District Magnum just remember to say that everything about Scotland is much much better than everything in England and that Scottish people are much much better than English people - you should get back in ok as long as you stick to the script.

okay Anthony - i'll type that into my phone so I remember to practice it - and get DH and teens to do the same :o

I do love Scotland though - I think it's a brilliant country full of some fantastic people. I love our scenery, our culture, our diversity, at some point in time I may even be happy to be an independent country, but not now and not with this crowd of wankers in charge. I don't want to be some parochial, insular wee backwater that they seem hell bent on turning us into. We are vibrant and engaging people, not homogenised gaelic speaking, kilt wearing monstrosities.

Here we go

It does annoy me this constant whining from the SNP and the constant pandering to them by Westminster.

I voted NO - not because I was fooled/scared/unpatriotic; I voted NO because I didn't believe one word of the snake oil they were peddling. I didn't vote NO to get extra powers for the incompetent fools.

If there ever is another referendum I want one of the options to be "disband the Scottish Parliament"

What do you mean "Here we go" Iggi?

And the person that had a concern about the nursery teacher asking questions about how their child gets on at home? What's the actual concern here

Because children say funny things. And eg I complained to DH I wanted to wring his neck as he has spent xthousands on a new motorbike.
Might be repeated at nursery as Mummy says she is going to hurt Daddy's neck.
We have horrid food at home might be because DPs feed the child lots of salad and greens.

It's funny not - the only hatred and insults I've seen on Mumsnet/Scotsnet has been towards SNP voters and/or Yes voters.

So those of us who have seen through the SNP lies and spin aren't allowed to voice our opinion prettybird? I see plenty of criticism of all political parties on mumsnet. Not sure why you think the SNP should be treated differently.

I didn't say anything about not being allowed to criticise.

What I was observing was the number of comments claiming that the SNP and those that vote for them "hate England" - whereas what I've not seen that on Mumsnet yet I have seen lots of disparaging and snide comments about "cultists", swivel necked, non-thinking SNP voters who won't allow you to like beautiful places like the Lake District (to use a recent example).

I've not seen anything similar on Mumsnet/Scotsnet casting aspersions on those that voted No or who don't support the SNP.

Because children say funny things. And eg I complained to DH I wanted to wring his neck as he has spent xthousands on a new motorbike.
Might be repeated at nursery as Mummy says she is going to hurt Daddy's neck.
We have horrid food at home might be because DPs feed the child lots of salad and greens

So then surely its good that the nursery teachers ask the parents questions about home life, so they can clarify the funny things kids say, otherwise they're just hearing the child's side of the story.

And your point is prettybird?

You could say the same about threads bashing / supporting the Tories. A lot of Tory bashing threads, but not so many in support. I've no idea If that means that few on mumsnet are Tory voters or just that those that are don't post on such threads.

Start your own thread singing the praises of the yesNP and slagging off NO voters if it makes you feel better.

Natsku people are concerned becuase the state guardian legislation represents the state interfering in families lives where no such interference is warranted or necessary. Also, You might be happy that what you thought was confidential information about your child or family is shared between medical, education and social work for no good reason, but I am not.

Where can I read the actual legislation and not just summaries of it? From the summaries I read it doesn't sound like the Named Person is able to interfere in family lives, is just a point of contact so I'd like to read the actual legislation.

When information isn't shared between concerned parties it can lead to horrific outcomes, which concerns me more than my child's medical information being shared with social workers or even her nursery teacher (I always sign an agreement for information to be shared when its asked for as that gives the best chance for the best care for my child)

Here you go Natsku

www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2014/8/contents/enacted

Thanks Anthony, will have a read through and see if my opinion changes

And therein you illustrate my point: I have no interest in slagging off No voters or non-SNP (or any other party) supporters. They are perfectly entitled to their opinion. As am I. I have never abused people who have a different political opinion. I might think that they are wrong - but that is their right. Using abuse and innuendo demeans rather than enhances your argument.

People on on this particular thread (as an example) are perfectly entitled to challenge the Scottish Government policy (which by the way was voted through with 103 votes and none against, although I assume the 15 abstentions were the Conservatives but I haven't checked further - they did put forward an amendment suggesting it be changed from 18 to 16 ) on the Named Person legislation, but shouldn't extend that to claim that SNP voters "hate England", "won't allow you to think the Lake District is beautiful", "must keep to the script" .....

A named person is supposed to be a go to person if there are problems it is meant to tie up to SW and Gps if need be there is many scottish children who slip through the net and are neglected and abused a named person can act on that childs behalf most of the loved and cared for scottish child will never need their named person

Good for you prettybird. A comendably grown up approach. I'm still not sure what your point is though, unless to complain that some of us are slagging off the SNP in general. Do you have a problem when people voice their disapproval of other political parties?

So then surely its good that the nursery teachers ask the parents questions about home life, so they can clarify the funny things kids say, otherwise they're just hearing the child's side of the story

Gosh, I think you could be a bit naïve Natsku. Some children might regularly say funny things, constantly being checked up on by a nursery teacher as what is going on in your house, would not go down well. Most conversations wouldn't be remembered by the parent, when they hesitate to respond (as the conversation about motor bike might have happened 10 weeks ago, for example or it was just a passing remark, not remembered) might that be seen as evasion, or suspicious!
And how would the nursery teacher fit in constant meetings with parents?
And then the SWorker or police arrive at your door to ask about a conversation you don't even remember having - dire situation imo.

I don't think the SNP have thought through their policies and that is a problem when Govs don't have a proper opposition, they get carried away with their ideas.
They sound rather naïve in my opinion. Another policy is to split up large private estates, which on first hearing seems a good idea, but imagine some young banker decides to invest a few thousand/million into an area of Scotland.

Are they going to preserve it for the benefit of the locals and posterity?
Or are they going to do something to make it profitable eg cover it with conifers, or whatever else is profitable (I can't think of many options tbh).

Why would they need to have constant meetings with the parents? Isn't a quick chat at pick up/drop off normal? Nursery teachers are used to children, they know they say funny things so I'm sure most things would just be viewed as that - a child's funny interpretation of events, but in cases where the child says something that might indicate something worrying but could also just be innocent wouldn't you prefer it if the teacher asked you how things are going at home first rather than going straight to Social Services?

But, as I understood, that is the idea, the nursery teacher would go to the Named Person who would take it from there and who knows how that might develop. And if there are regular 'funny coments' then that named person is going to be pretty busy.

And I don't think a quick chat at pickup/ drop off is normal as there are ?25 kids and how could you have a quiet chat (not overheard) with 25 other children and mothers milling around. If NT invited the parent to stay behind and speak to her in private there would be red flags and gossip flying immediately.

Did you say your DD was 7 months old? or was that someone else.

My DD is 5, that must be someone else you're thinking of.

Worrying comments (not funny ones, as I said, nursery teachers know what children are like so should be pretty good at recognising most innocent funny comments) would be reported to someone anyway, normally to SS but now to the Named Person so doesn't make a difference in that case.

Maybe a quick chat isn't as normal as I thought then, I suppose it must be difficult if there's 25ish children all being picked up at the same time, the parents I know who have regular chats must be picking up at different times (so a full time daycare rather than a nursery class that finishes at a set time)