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Named Person / State Guardians

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cdtaylornats · 29/01/2016 11:00

That started off well

A teacher appointed one of Scotland’s first “state guardians” faces a lifetime ban from working with children.

Dayna Dickson-Boath was yesterday struck off the teaching register for sharing fantasies about abusing youngsters.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/teacher-appointed-first-named-person-state-guardian-struck-off-1-4014998#ixzz3yd6RqX21

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HazyMazy · 04/04/2016 14:05

Have been reading some of the comments following the Scotsman article.
People keep talking about children slipping through the net but they only, ime, slip through the net if someone isn't doing their job properly.

As I remember it the overworked social worker didn't speak or see Victoria Clumbie alone, or didn't see her at all, I think excuses were given that she was visiting a relative. And the school didn't check up as I don't think she was attending school. Had the SW or was it a HV actually done their job properly or the school had checked up on where she was she would prob have survived. Having a named person is no better if the HV or school don't do their job and there is nothing in this legislation to change that.

Having all the info in one place won't help if the info isn't taken properly in the first place. And social services and nhs has merged anyway.

Lastly should your family be going through difficult times - imagine a stressful divorce, the thought of regular snooping by SS or NHS with the risk your DCs are taken from you will make it 10x times worse. Also there is a risk, if eg you are going through a divorce with an angry spouse wanting revenge, you could have unfounded info passed to you about your DCs. How would you refute that.

The whole thing seems a minefield to me.

HazyMazy · 04/04/2016 14:06

Should read 'you could have unfounded info passed to NP about..'

cdtaylornats · 04/04/2016 14:53

Scotland is moving more and more into a one party dictatorship. The Information Commissioner in Scotland is refusing to process FoI requests where the answers might show ministers in a bad light until after the election.

www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-how-the-snp-keeps-information-at-a-premium-1-4088570#ixzz44fCyCFUX

That is as close to electoral fraud as you can get without causing criminal charges and it makes the Information Commissioner Rosemary Agnew seem an unfit person for the office.

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OneMagnumisneverenough · 04/04/2016 15:52

I was talking about that with DH yesterday cd but I'm wary of posting anything further myself since I seem to have been branded as just assuming everything that SNP does is bad for the sake of it. However I am never short of legitimate verifiable material - it's not hearsay.

OccamsRazorSharpner · 08/04/2016 09:41

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/davidson-to-push-for-repeal-of-controversial-named-person-law-1-4094129

I loathe most policy instigated by the conservatives and their overall slippery nature when it comes to sticking to promises made, they have obviously sussed this and decided that state guardians is the winning ticket in an effort to claw back votes for May's election.

103 MSPs voted for and only 15 abstained. That shocked me at the time and should be answered now. The vote has been cast but MSPs can see sense and throw out the legislation.

If Labour have any direct inclination to be in power in Scotland they should give a set date (say June 1st 2016) to bin the whole act with immediate effect and inject the cash into local communities and social services forthwith.

Nothing would persuade me to vote tory, they lie and don't usually follow through on this sort of thing (rash last minute election promises). However I want freedom from fascism and they have sussed this - it will change the polls, let's hope other parties get on side.

HazyMazy · 08/04/2016 13:15

Article says
'A survey of health visitors by Unison also said health visitors were stretched and warned that a lack of qualified staff meant there were doubts that the scheme could be implemented safely.'

Thank God a touch of common sense finally!

peggyundercrackers · 08/04/2016 17:01

OccamsRazorSharpner the problem with the torys asking for it to be repealed is if it does get thrown out and a child is harmed the tories will get the blame of it from SNP - they will hang the tories for it. I can imagine the headlines now - Child Killed because tories threw out named persons act - SNP livid.

I don't think labour will go as far as wanting it thrown out unfortunately - Kezia keeps saying the implementation of it is a mess but wont say what they would do to fix the issue. to me all that says is they would still implement it but in a different way. Would that mean an Opt out for children? I doubt it...

peggyundercrackers · 08/04/2016 17:04

I tried to email my MSP but because parliament has been dissolved for the elections no one has answered my email about the legislation and I am going to guess no one will ever answer my email about it because no one wants to take responsibility for it.

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