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Named Person / State Guardians

208 replies

cdtaylornats · 29/01/2016 11:00

That started off well

A teacher appointed one of Scotland’s first “state guardians” faces a lifetime ban from working with children.

Dayna Dickson-Boath was yesterday struck off the teaching register for sharing fantasies about abusing youngsters.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/teacher-appointed-first-named-person-state-guardian-struck-off-1-4014998#ixzz3yd6RqX21

OP posts:
tabulahrasa · 12/02/2016 08:17

"If you are relying on anonymous calls as a way of discovering child abuse I don't see why you need a named person."

Yes, because abuse and neglect always happens in front of other people and is always reported...

AnthonyBlanche · 12/02/2016 18:49

I don't see how the named person legislation is going to improve detection of child neglect and abuse. Plenty of posters on here saying how the head teachers etc already have duty to report concerns. If that's the case surely children at risk are already being spotted. In my opinion, if nothing has really changed Parents who currently abuse or neglect children undetected will continue to do so.

So tell me supporters of named person legislation, what is it that has changed apart from that we are soon to have compulsory state interference and snooping into matters such as family finances and whether parents apply sunscreen?

peggyundercrackers · 12/02/2016 19:20

Haggis why are you ignoring my questions?

HirplesWithHaggis · 12/02/2016 19:30

www.gov.scot/Resource/Doc/292720/0090353.pdf Initial review from 2009.

HirplesWithHaggis · 12/02/2016 19:34

withscotland.org/resources/girfec-family-views-report/download_document Consultation (with dc and parents) report from 2010.

Most of your questions about non-engagement are catastrophising and unlikely to happen, so I'll save my energy.

peggyundercrackers · 12/02/2016 19:57

So it's a study based on 97 children where 2/3rds of them were heading towards favourable outcomes and a further 5 were no better off at the time of the report being published. The report doesn't mention the remainder of the children so I guess that means there was no change at all for them.

I'm not sure I would class something with a 30% failure rate as working well...

peggyundercrackers · 12/02/2016 20:06

Sorry failure rate isn't the right words I was looking for. The report doesn't specify what happened to the other 30% of the children studied which I have taken to mean their situation has not changed.

I also notice in all the reports there is a dinstinct lack of mention of parents roles in all of this - it's blatantly obvious for me that they don't want parents involved - they think they know what's best for our children.

Siolence · 12/02/2016 20:09

It is a formalising of what should happen anyway. It means people have to do the right thing so there is a formal record of it. There have been cases of child abuse which have hit the press where in the enquiry after something dreadful has occurred numerous involved people have discounted details they did not view as important. If those had been logged and a full picture put together the outcome for those children would have been different.

Different types of child abuse/neglect happen in all types of families. Encouraging people too notice and observe potential issues is a GOOD THING.

Siolence · 12/02/2016 20:16

It should be noted that Getting it Right is for the minority of children who are not

Siolence · 12/02/2016 20:20

Random early send.

Children who are recognised as not achieving the well being indicators.

Children who are achieving the well being indicators are not being reported on.

tabulahrasa · 13/02/2016 01:02

" Plenty of posters on here saying how the head teachers etc already have duty to report concerns"

What's different is that they're now legally obliged to check that there are no concerns to report...that if something happens to a child it can't be a case of, we didn't notice anything because there is a specific person who should have been checking in with that child - though hopefully it would be more cases of finding those problems before it happens rather than blaming them afterwards.

AnthonyBlanche · 13/02/2016 09:34

Siolence it is every child who will be reported on. The clue is in the name "getting it right for every child"

Tabuhlarasa "Legally obliged to check that there are no concerns". How on earth can the named person do that without questioning and interfering in the life of every child and family?

peggyundercrackers · 13/02/2016 12:21

There have been cases of child abuse which have hit the press where in the enquiry after something dreadful has occurred numerous involved people have discounted details they did not view as important.

these cases are few and far between that's why they end up in the press and tabloids. People who are meant to look out for these issues are already failing and with dire consequences for the children involved. It makes more sense to focus on the small amount of children which are abused rather than try and spread resources to cover every single child.

that if something happens to a child it can't be a case of, we didn't notice anything because there is a specific person who should have been checking in with that child

I wonder what will happen if that specific person misses something and it does have serious consequences for the child - what will the legal repercussions be? who will want that responsibility? In the old system there was no single person responsible for any issues of care and it was near impossible to prosecute those responsible however now there will be a named person who will be responsible it will be easy to prosecute.

apparently the education system is already suffering because less people are applying for head teachers jobs because they don't want the responsibility...

AnthonyBlanche · 13/02/2016 13:40

And where on earth are they going to get all the extra HVs to do these minimum 8 checks in the first year of every child's life? Considering that both NHS and LA budgets are already under considerable strain I think the whole thing is a monumental waste of money and resources as well as an unwarranted interference in families private lives.

peggyundercrackers · 18/02/2016 15:50

here is a story about how the named person can affect you.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/420116/EXCLUSIVE-State-snoopers-tried-to-separate-devoted-mum-from-her-baby

its absolutely shocking these people can do this to families without any say-so.

also remember you can make a subject access request to any organisation to find out what data they hold about you - here is the process ico.org.uk/for-the-public/personal-information/

peggyundercrackers · 18/02/2016 15:55

this is quite a good site and shows how good the SNP are... wisermonkeys.uk/snp.html

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/02/2016 16:00

Ah, the Express and some random website that does not know what a single party state is...

I think I will do my own research, and draw my own conclusions thanks...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/02/2016 16:03

Actually, I take it back, that Wiser Monkeys site is awesome! Grin

peggyundercrackers · 18/02/2016 16:34

I think I will do my own research, and draw my own conclusions thanks...

Actually, I take it back, that Wiser Monkeys site is awesome! grin

im not going to say anything... Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/02/2016 18:32

Awesome, as in I really needed a good belly laugh Grin

MintChocAddict · 18/02/2016 23:57

Spotted the link to the Shanarri wheel and songs on that link. Clearly very one sided against the SNP but I agree that SNP politicians all voting the same way all the time is distinctly odd. Confused.
My DCs started mentioning Shanarri a wee while ago and I had no idea what they were talking about. Then they started singing the hello sunshine song.
Are all schools under obligation to teach this song? Is it part of the curriculum?
On a lighter note I you tubed the song to hear it properly and came across the other one about 'he got rights, she got rights' etc maybe aimed at older kids?? Think the person who came up with it was heavily influenced by the voice effects of that Victoria Beckham/Dane Bowers effort from the nineties. (Cringe!!!)

MintChocAddict · 19/02/2016 00:01

That last post should have read that the link posted up thread was clearly one sided against the SNP. Not the Shanarri song. Smile

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