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No support from my mother, is this normal? *content warning* (post edited by MNHQ)

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Zelda7 · 15/07/2023 20:00

Hi, I’m 45.
3 days ago I returned back from a holiday to Turkey. I went with my 67 year old mother whom I love dearly.
unfortunately I was sexually assaulted while on holiday. I wasn’t raped, however I was penetrated with his fingers.
At first I didn’t want to tell my mother because I didn’t want to upset her. However I finally did tell her. She encouraged me to involve police. I was in such a state as nothing like this has ever happened to me.
I involved police, who arrested the man. We spent a day giving statements & I had to be examined at the hospital.
The hotel manager was absolutely furious that we had informed police & the FCDO. We moved hotels after this. ( The attack was carried out by an employee of the hotel)
Whilst we were in Turkey, my mother was supportive.
I have two sisters. One is 3 years older than me , the other 14 years younger than me.
The youngest has always been favoured, she admits this herself. I thought I was extremely close to both of them.
when my big sister heard of the attack, her reply was, what do you expect visiting such countries?……. I’m astounded by her lack of compassion.
My little sister was extremely supportive until the last night.
On the last night I broke, it’s all a bit of a blur because I had a really bad panic attack. I couldn’t even speak. Anyway my mother went out to buy presents alone. My little sister was extremely annoyed at me for letting my mother go alone. I thought she would be a 100% safe as it was light & a really busy pedestrianised shopping area. The police station was there also & we had been there the night before. It turns out that apparently my mother didn’t feel safe. I don’t know if this is because of my little sister’s influence as she really is golden child & my mother will stand by her opinions no matter what.
Regardless of this i can’t begin to tell you the guilt I feel because my mother said she didn’t feel safe.
Since coming back home I’m a total mess over what’s happened & my sisters comment. I haven’t left my room, spoken to friends ect. I have an amazing 23 year old daughter however I don’t want to put all this on her.
Yesterday I txt my mother in the morning, “ Please help me Mam, I’m not coping “ I didn’t have a reply until around 8 in the evening. In that she was telling me I just need to let things go.
I’m astonished by her being like this to me, as I’m the one who cares about everyone & will do anything so there aren’t arguments. My big sister resents my mother because my little sister is treated so differently. I mean my mother see’s her daily, constantly rings her ect.
Am I right to be upset because my mother hasn’t bothered to check on me whatsoever despite me asking please help me ?
I only wanted someone to talk too. My mother isn’t an old 66 year old either, she drives, babysits. Travels to Zurich alone to visit my big sister, goes shopping on her own ect. I live 5 mins by car from her.
I would really value people’s advice because I’m thinking am I better off with no involvement or minimal contact now because I just feel so letdown & that’s without trying to come to terms with the assault. I did speak to a national helpline today.
I just thought my mother would care & be there for me as she knows the impact this has had on me. I feel a rubbish/ pathetic human as i can’t just let it go as my mother wants me too right now, god knows I wish I could. It’s only been 8 days since it happened to me.

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ChateauMargaux · 15/07/2023 22:10

I wonder if perhaps this is not the first time you have felt unsupported by your mother. Sure, we can't get it right all of the time but the dynamic with your younger sister sounds like it carries some strongly felt resentment. Therapy to get the support you need for this assualt is wise but also consider therapy to look at the dynamics in your family, to come to terms with them and to move forward in a way that is helpful and positive to you.

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:12

@ferntwist Thank you for your message.
I didn’t think of it from that pov.
My little sister is used to attention & people have said things the same as you before over past incidents. However she was initially what I thought to be genuinely concerned. I just don’t know anymore 🤷‍♀️

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:20

@AP5Diva i’am so so sorry to hear about what you have been through.
I have asked myself that about my mother, however i really don’t think she has. We have spoken about rape/sexual assault topics in the past & she has spoken about them freely.
whilst on holiday there was support off her, it’s how she’s been since we have returned that truly hurts.
Again sorry to hear what you have been through & thank you for your comment xx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:21

@Seaoftroubles Thank you so so much xx

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/07/2023 08:22

There is no empathy or insight from either your mother or sister here. Narcissistic people have no empathy or insight into their behaviour.

They are carbon copies of each other. I would also suggest therapy re your family of origin. Have a look also at Dr Ramani on YouTube.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/07/2023 08:24

do not ever be afraid to seek support in the longer term if and or when needed from
Rape Crisis.

AP5Diva · 16/07/2023 08:26

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:20

@AP5Diva i’am so so sorry to hear about what you have been through.
I have asked myself that about my mother, however i really don’t think she has. We have spoken about rape/sexual assault topics in the past & she has spoken about them freely.
whilst on holiday there was support off her, it’s how she’s been since we have returned that truly hurts.
Again sorry to hear what you have been through & thank you for your comment xx

Likewise very sorry she isn’t supporting you. Don’t let that minimise what happened to you. You deserve support, empathy and a shoulder to cry on.

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:33

@ChateauMargaux Thank you for your comment.
Yes this isn’t the first time there hasn’t been support. I’ve coped with all the other times. This time is different because of the assault, hence me writing this thread.
As I said I’m such a mess i don’t know if I’m the one being over sensitive.
I haven’t any resentment to my little sister. Yes I’am treated very differently but that’s not her fault. I have only ever loved her. There’s a 14 yr age gap. I can remember the day she was born like it was yesterday. I was the only person to ever look after her for my parents.
I have forgiven alot of what she’s done to me in the past. Maybe it’s time I stop. I think I need to heal then re-evaluate my relationships with my mother & sister. Honestly all this family drama & having my mother not seem to care is worse than the actual assault. Xx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:38

@AttilaTheMeerkat My best friend has said exactly the same as you for many years about my mother & sister.
I have just always been the idiot who lets things slide because I hate arguments & as pathetic as it sounds I genuinely love them both.
I’m going to look at YouTube right away.
Thank you very much xx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:41

@TomatoSandwiches Thank you for your comment. Everyone’s comments on here have really helped me & I’m so so thankful xx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:46

@BlowMyBubbles Thank you for your comment, honestly having the opinions of others is so helpful. I don’t feel as alone if that makes sense. I’m so sorry to hear what you have been through too xxx

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BlackFlyChardonnay · 16/07/2023 08:50

If your mum felt unsafe, she always had the obvious option of not going shopping? I can't imagine leaving anyone, let alone my own daughter, alone when she's feeling so vulnerable so I can do something as non-essential as shopping.

You've done nothing wrong. You had a panic attack and, instead of staying to help you feel safe, she chose to go shopping alone and then blamed you. Can you not see how effed up that is of her?

You were so incredibly brave going to the police. I hope you can arrange some therapy now you're home. To work through your attack, but also the way you've not been supported by your family and why you are so accepting of it.

StopStartStop · 16/07/2023 08:51

Isn't that what 'Turkish Massage' is? I'm sure there have been threads about it before. [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4233612-Turkish-Massage-innapropriate Turkish Massage - innapropriate? | Mumsnet doesn't mention internal but does mention genital massage. Search 'turkish massage' on trip advisor.

OP, I'm sorry your family aren't helping. Seeing the GP, getting therapy, those are positive moves. Knowing you haven't done anything wrong is another. I hope you can find rl support.

Turkish Massage - innapropriate? | Mumsnet

I’ve just read a post about someone’s Dr touching their breasts at an appointment and whether it seemed normal and it reminded me about a Turkish mass...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4233612-Turkish-Massage-innapropriate

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:52

@Crikeyalmighty Hello. I don’t mind you asking whatsoever. . The man who done it said he worked in the spa. I later found out he was an electrician who worked at the hotel.
I’m sorry to hear this has happened to your sister. It’s honestly horrific xx

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SuffolkUnicorn · 16/07/2023 08:52

Tbh this is something my mum
would do the ‘golden child’ is probably more likely being controlled by your mum and it’s a dog eat dog situation

im the black sheep and scapegoat. When you think back to your childhood is this how you were treated? Have you always been treated differently

im sorry for what happened to you op I would suggest limiting contacting or going no contact I moved 100 miles away

Augend23 · 16/07/2023 08:55

Suzi89 · 15/07/2023 21:27

l actually would consider sharing your upset with your daughter, at 23 think she's quite old enough to comfort and support you.

This is completely inappropriate and unfair on the daughter. It’s not her job to take on this burden and parent her own mother because her other relatives are awful.

I'm not much older than 23, and I would be devastated if something happened to my mother and she didn't feel able to tell me. It's not inappropriate to tell your daughter if something bad happens - once you're an adult, relationships are bidirectional. It would be inappropriate to ask them to parent you, but I don't think that was what we being suggested.

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 08:58

@BlackFlyChardonnay Thank you for your comment. It’s only reading comments like yours that I can actually see how messed up my family have been to me. Thank you again xx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 09:08

@Augend23 Thank you for your comment. My daughter does know more now & has been a great comfort, just like your saying.
Last night she told me how relieved she was that she could help.
obviously it’s not her job to get me through this. She’s really happy that the comments on here have helped me & how I will be sorting out therapy tomorrow xxx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 09:12

@mathanxiety Thank you for your helpful & insightful comment xxx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 09:20

@SuffolkUnicorn Thank you for your comment.
yes we have always been treated differently, however I’m guilty of spoiling my little sister too because there’s such an age gap.
I think once I have navigated myself through this nightmare I’ll then have to make serious decisions/changes regarding my family. I feel so bloody broken atm by everything.
How my family have treated me, hurts more than the assault. Sorry for being absorbed by self pity. Xx

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Bringmethesleep · 16/07/2023 09:45

I'm so sorry this happened to you. None of it is your fault. Sending love to you ❤️

SuffolkUnicorn · 16/07/2023 10:02

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 09:20

@SuffolkUnicorn Thank you for your comment.
yes we have always been treated differently, however I’m guilty of spoiling my little sister too because there’s such an age gap.
I think once I have navigated myself through this nightmare I’ll then have to make serious decisions/changes regarding my family. I feel so bloody broken atm by everything.
How my family have treated me, hurts more than the assault. Sorry for being absorbed by self pity. Xx

You remind me of myself always spoiling the you hers ones aswell. Believe me you will feel better when you block them partly or fully out of your life do what makes YOU happy not them. I fully understand even at 40 now it still hurts I was ignored and treated differently to the rest of my family my mum ignored me from as young as a can remember days went into weeks into years those thoughts and feelings never leave you.

Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 11:37

@Bringmethesleep Thank you for your lovely comment, they all really do mean a lot to me & all the advice I’m being given on here xxx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 11:41

@SuffolkUnicorn I just read your comment. I’m truly sorry for what you’ve been through too with your family. Thank you for your advice. Sending you lots of love xxx

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Zelda7 · 16/07/2023 16:00

@Bringmethesleep Thank you so very much for kind words xxx

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