my little brother is dealing drugs

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My 21 year old brother is partway through his degree. He's been a recreational drug user for years, quite heavy usage at times, but cut backs during exam time etc. Straight A student. Very sociable. Anyway, I saw him at the weekend & it transpires that he is dealing class A drugs. He acts a middleman & buys quite large quantities. He estimates he will "earn" above the tax threshold through it this year. I don't think he's doing it for the money, particularly. He's fully funded through uni (no student loan even) & has large amount of savings that were handed over to him at 18. He's very pro-drugs & hyper-rational about it all.

I worry about him getting caught, basically, but can't see anything I can do. He considers me to be "bourgeoise" now I have kid & don't party/live spontaneously any more, & he considers our other brother to be uncool. We all get on, but I don't think our words have much weight for him. Our parents know that he is a recreational drug user & have done for years - they don't object in theory but worry about the quantities - but they have no idea about the dealing. I toyed with the idea of telling them but can't really see what it would achieve - not like he can be grounded...

He naturally considers himself invincible, but of course he's not. He already has a caution for squatting, would have thought being held in police cells for 5 hours might have given him a bit of a shock, but apparently not.

Not really sure why I'm putting this out there, except it's really weighing on my mind at the moment.

Coolfonz, but that's one of the things, when a country fights drug traffickers only outside its borders is just doing half of the work.

So lets take for example United States, they provide a good steady demand for narcotics, and also for high powered weapons. They have their own department that deals with drug related issues (outside the borders), so there is a mess going on to get the drug through the borders but once that line has been crossed, the drug is marketed almost freely. I understand the rationale between that attitude, it seems like veiled approach to avoid violence escalating, it is like legalising the drug "under the table".

However, the fact that people don't get to see or experience the violence around trafficking makes them unable to understand that by using drugs they are contributing to all these killings. Obviously, you can be a responsible user and raise your very own blood-free weed, but I think that this is not generally the case.

Yeah, I'm sure your son would see in time that you did him a favour, that he would get caught eventually and that it was only because you loved him.....

I'm with Coolfonz (mmmm indeed ) and SkaterGirl. They both have a more realistic view of drugs 'culture' in this country than many posters appear to.

OP asked for help, not slating. She understandably said 'no' to reporting (WTF?! Report your own brother?) yet people keep banging out the same line.

OP, your brother is obviously an intelligent individual, it doesn't sound like there is much you will be able to tell him that he doesn't already know apart from maybe your own fears for him. Other than that, leave him to it. If it was coke or smack, even K, there could be valid concerns of him forming an addiction but with pills that is not really an issue.

demand for narcotics, and offer of easily accessible high powered weapons, meant to say...

I'm sorry OP, but I would report him.

My little brother already knows that if I found out he was dealing drugs or drink driving that I'd report him. It's a dangerous "business" to be doing, so I'd do anything I could to stop him.

I don't get the responses that are acting as if he's not selling that much, it's already established that he's making a huge amount.

I agree, Chandra.

So the "realistic" view of drugs culture, EcoMouse is the illegal view of those who peddle or use, presumably?

A view isn't ever illegal, scurryfunge.

OP - something that might work but not involve fucking up his future (as going to the police would) - go to your parents!

Am I right that your parents are funding him through uni? In which case, they should tell him clearly he stops or they will view him as not needing their money and they cut him off.

And get them to threaten not to have him back in holidays/after uni. It's amazing how the lack of bourgeoise comforts can focus the mind...

No but the acceptance of illegality doesn't equate to being realistic,ecomouse.

Totally agree - E is small fry. hmm

TBH I would probably report my brother.

Maybe transpose your brother's name into this story and see what he make of it.

I can't see where I said that it did, Scurryfunge. If you are going to continue to address posts to me, please make them worth reading.

IMO it is trotted out because it shows that just one tablet is enough to kill and also because her parents backed a huge campaign following her death. Her death was caused by the excess amount of water drunk following taking the ecstacy tablet.

So yes, she was a poor girl, but she was also niave and believed the crap that occassional drug use doesn't hurt.

I'm with Coolfonz (mmmm indeed ) and SkaterGirl. They both have a more realistic view of drugs 'culture' in this country than many posters appear to.

Explain

I'm really surprised at the reaction you've got on here. FWIW I cetainly don't think you should report your brother as so many others seem to. Yes, he's doing something very stupid, but he's still your brother.

Unfortunately I think there's little you can do though. You could try talking to him (worth a shot), but the likelihood is he won't listen - he's having a good time, making some money and he's only 21 and still feels invincible.

I had a friend at University who was dealing for a long while, in the same way your brother does. He thought he wouldn't get caught and did. Although he managed to escape prison, on a techniciality I think in the end, it really did destroy his life for a while.

Sorry, this hasn't been at all helpful, just wanted you to know that not everyone thinks 'call the police'.

"Yes, he's doing something very stupid, but he's still your brother."

Would you think the same if he was selling rape drugs? obviously it is the nature of the merchant to diversify, isn't it?

Leah Betts died from drowning. Prohibition killed Leah Betts.

31 people died from MDMA related issues in 2008, most from exhaustion because there are no decent guidelines on amounts to take/after care. Prohibition kills.

Just like the state is responsible for murdering every one in the UK who ODs on smack. They are killed by the state, and by views like the ones on this thread. When a lot of people, maybe some of those on this thread, here a smackhead has died, they go good riddance to bad rubbish...piety is a disease.

Very sad.

I wouldn't go that far, Coolfonz. There has to be some personal responsibility.

It is very easy to say you would report your brother when you aren't in the situation. I always thought I would but it is so different when you are actually faced with the situation.

I've never so much as smoked dope in my life and was horrified when I found my brother was dealing. We had huge arguments on many occasions but I couldn't bring myself to report him. You know a the moral arguments but actually doing it is hugely difficult. It's not just your brother but what it will do to your parents.

My brother has sorted himself out now he's older and runs a highly succesful business now. So easily could have been different though.

If Leah Betts had not taken the tablet in the first place then she would not have the overwhelming need to drink so much water. She probably did not have a clue of how dangerous such a thing could be. Ecstacy has dehydrating effects; that is why she drank so much water.

Getting back to the point of the original thread, the OP has tried talking to her brother previously without success.

Of course there is personal responsibility, like I said about the OPs brother, stuff happens.

But people don't really care about the deaths, they care about their own self image. If they cared about avoidable deaths they would be looking at other subjects. 32,000 old people died from the cold last winter...but they'd rather postulate about the morality of kids doing party uppers.

Chandra - the trafficking business in Colombia and Mexico/Sth/Central America is gruesome. Legalise it and tax it, stop the killings...

"proper firm"
Ooh, check you Coolfonz, hardcore brer, innit?

I don't think you need the question mark at the end. And there aren't any "proper firm" who speak like that. Yet.