my little brother is dealing drugs

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My 21 year old brother is partway through his degree. He's been a recreational drug user for years, quite heavy usage at times, but cut backs during exam time etc. Straight A student. Very sociable. Anyway, I saw him at the weekend & it transpires that he is dealing class A drugs. He acts a middleman & buys quite large quantities. He estimates he will "earn" above the tax threshold through it this year. I don't think he's doing it for the money, particularly. He's fully funded through uni (no student loan even) & has large amount of savings that were handed over to him at 18. He's very pro-drugs & hyper-rational about it all.

I worry about him getting caught, basically, but can't see anything I can do. He considers me to be "bourgeoise" now I have kid & don't party/live spontaneously any more, & he considers our other brother to be uncool. We all get on, but I don't think our words have much weight for him. Our parents know that he is a recreational drug user & have done for years - they don't object in theory but worry about the quantities - but they have no idea about the dealing. I toyed with the idea of telling them but can't really see what it would achieve - not like he can be grounded...

He naturally considers himself invincible, but of course he's not. He already has a caution for squatting, would have thought being held in police cells for 5 hours might have given him a bit of a shock, but apparently not.

Not really sure why I'm putting this out there, except it's really weighing on my mind at the moment.

wouldn't report him.

Poor soul! Imagine considering your life ruined because you can't practice law or medicine or go to Disneyworld Florida!

Nevermind about the Central American crofter who, along with his children, are forced to cultivate or process this shite (which involves very dangerous and carcinogenic chemicals) and their lives.

Lots of people on here who know fuck all about drugs.

I've known loads of drug dealers, some are twats, some of them are my mates. Drugs kill hardly anyone in the UK, not that they are a health kick. Prohibition is what kills users. Prohibition is the reason organised crime run the industry, natch.

Firstly, of course don't tell the police. Fuck that, half of them are dealers anyway...they don't even bother touching the real crime gangs they only deal with small fry like your brother.

Secondly what is he dealing? Coke or smack is a fucking disaster area. He will end up in jail or with a huge habit. I knew two coke dealers, both absolute cntus, who died of heart seizures. Can't say I was in tears when I heard the news, but I felt sorry for their families.

If he is making annual profits (not turnover) of over £20k, well, he is shifting enough gear to get a decent prison term.

But at the end of it, well it's up to him what he does and he'll have to learn to take the consequences - and in that world if you carry on for any period of time there will be some.

But never be a grass, doesn't make any difference to anything...

There is no way on earth that I would report him either- I am not surprised that a lot of people on here would say that though.

I agree with Eleanor- be a flea in his ear about it and keep spelling out the consequences of getting caught, but I wouldn't be prepared to do more than that.

coolfonz, glad you turned up. that is a great attitude "drugs kill hardly anyone in the UK" so if it's only a few it is ok? and what about all the people who ruin their lives by becoming addicted at an early age because dealers make it so easy for them to get hold of?

Coolfonz...you seem to know fuck all about drugs tooand as for never being a grass? Grow up.

My best male friend went down for about 5 years. Changed him forever. Your brother is playing a dangerous game. My mate never thought it would happen to him but he got caught.

I wouldn't grass to the police. That's not my style. Maybe tell your parents and they can make the decision.

If you are not prepared to report him, then refer to him at all times, when talking to him, as a drug-dealer with disgust in your voice. Point out that drug dealers are the lowest of the low in any society, lower than the lowest drug addled addict lying in the gutter.

Laugh at him/ scream at him for being pond-scum lowlife druggie who is can't even declare his income legally.

Refuse to let your children have anything to do with him, you don't want him as any role model in their life.

Coolfonz - you are right, prohibition is the problem. But at the moment, drugs (and especially dealing) is illegal so it does have wide-ranging and devastating consequences.

So not too many pople die in the UK but it's ok if they die in other countries?

And sorry but law enforcement do tackle organised criminals. I could give you lots of examples if you want, starting with a large number of drug criminals in Jamaica who are now sitting in jail in the US. Thanks to a co-ordinated effort between the UK, US and Jamaica.

Coolfonz is certainly right about many in the police dealing themselves. That much I know for sure.

What drugs is he dealing? If it's coke some people in the developing world are being badly exploited to get the coke to Britain. Also coke is a horrible drug that makes people selfish, sometimes violent w*nkers and he is spreading a real social problem.

If its E your brother probably has a friend of a friend who is a chemistry student who makes it in his spare room and your bro sells it on to other students looking to get a bit giggly and lovey-dovey for a few hours. Not a biggie.

I wouldn't report my brother to the police in this position

Either

1. He will get caught, in which case justice will be served to him

2. He will grow out of it stop it

"If he is making annual profits (not turnover) of over £20k, well, he is shifting enough gear to get a decent prison term."

This thread is moving too quickly for me at the moment, but just wanted to clarify - he's not doing any where near this amount! Sorry if I gave that impression - he estimates that he will make around about personal tax free allowance this year, or 1 or 2 k above it. So we're talking somewhere between 6 - 8.

skatergrrl, yes it's E. Warehouse parties & raves, etc.

It hardly seems worth the risk, does it? He is being an idiot.

"redblue, in fact he's spending a year abroad next year, & will neither be using or selling drugs during that year (very punitive country). He says he plans not to sell drugs when he returns to uni for his final year. So his answer would not be that he intends to sell for the foreseeable future"

OK so you mean somewhere like Dubai or UAE or similar? Is he doing a degree in finance or something to result in a city career? As mentioned by previous posters if he is doing law or medicine he is really dicing with his long term career because he can totally forget that if he gets caught. Even if it is an intended career where "bringing the profession into disrepute" type issues dont figure so much I would still be very careful if i were him, any time of criminal record especially for drugs will no doubt impact on his career plans unless of course he wants to be a drug dealer full time.

I don't know anything about drugs but I do have a younger brother and I know what you mean about anything you say being to some extent disregarded depending on what you say or do. I would try the "rational" argument with him. Is he intending to give it all up 100% after his year out? There are people who try to do dealing "on the side" of their city jobs, i would guess their city jobs are at risk on a long term basis for the same reasons so the temptation will always be there to start dealing again

I don't think I could report him

I would make sure he knew what an idiot I thought he was though, and how serious the consequences could be

"Warehouse parties & raves, etc"

Is he selling time travelling drugs?

Don't report him.

What's he selling, pills/weed different kettle of fish to coke. Pills can be mass produced in someones bathroom. No importation involved.

lots of hysteria and hand wringing on here BUT I don't agree with what he's doing. He's being an arrogant t**t and it could escalate.

If he's in a city then the threat of gangs is v real.

prison sentance v likely if gets caught. A close friend of mine was caught at Uni for similar stuff and got 5 years. But their life isn't "ruined" either, they've totally chnaged their ways realised how ridiculous and arrogant they were and have become a plliar of the community, I'm not being facaetious here.

the best thing to give him a wake up call may be to allow him to get caught and sentenced which WILL happen. Someone will grass ip your brother. Prob one of his closest associates. he should be very careful who he tells things to. Once he's been sentence that may have a humbling effect on him.

You can't force someone to stop doing things just advise them of the consequences.

And in my day, if you were caught carrying a few Es for your friends, then you could be arrested for dealing and all that ensued with this.
Big difference between possession and dealing

He is an idiot whoever said that
But he has to wake up to that

There is no such thing as a free buzz ,you will eventually pay with your mind your body and your soul ,even without the dealing i would be worried that he thinks he can get away with taking drugs ,he cant.I am nearly forty and of all the folk i know that ever had any kind of "recreational" habit NONE of them got away with it ,some dead ,its fucking russian roulette.Every generation has "wiseguys" that think they can make a fast buck thru drugs ,but truth is they all get caught up in a very nasty world the freak factor is too much for most .The drugs will make him lazy and he will get greedy about making money chances are he wont go abroad at all.This isnt a game this isnt a movie its going to get fucking nasty a prison sentence is prob the least of his worries and these guys will all have folk inside working for them, so he wont be safe there either tell him to get the fuck out while he can.

Agree pills don't wreck peoples lives. the vast and overwhelming majority of people take them recreationally and sporadically with no adverse effects whatsoever aside from "wednesday blues" in the week.

They are less harmful than booze, or even aspirin.

There is no way i would report a member of my family to the police for this, and i think if alot of the posters were honest they wouldn't either.
There are so, so many young men doing the same thing. Drug use at universitys is very common, really you are in the minority if you dont smoke pot and the main place people get it from is their friends.
He is young and he is stupid, and going by people i have known i would be very suprised if he is still doing it in a few years time.

Drug dealers are like anyone else, there are good ones and bad ones. Really depends on the scale and the person, a couple I know are lovely guys. Some are really nasty and very dangerous.

What most posters are on about here is their own piety. They would never suggest banning alcohol or ciggies, they probably gain financially from those industries in the pension plans anyway Hypocrisy is rife in this subject. Sitdownpleasegeorge has nearly burst a blood vessel posting all that hate...

There are tons of things which harm your health, paracetamol, chips, mountaineering...it is really about received wisdom, piety and so on. Drugs are bad m'kay etc. It is a moral choice by the state to promote some intoxicants and to criminalise others.

The police in the UK don't touch the really big guys. The really big guys work with the police - while importing tonnes of gear - to do over smaller gangs. Most of the major families are in London and currently squabbling over billions of pounds they are being given over land they own in and around the Olympic site. The state is about to hand the biggest drug families in the UK billions of pounds of taxpayers money. And they really are psychopaths, untouchable.

But if your brother goes down or gets shot by bigger harder boys, well, as Donald Rumsfeld says, stuff happens.

How much is an E these days, and how many does he have to sell to make £7k?