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Have confessed an affair to dh and now don't know what to do or how to be...

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inthewrong · 17/06/2010 12:51

With apologies to all those on the other side of this. I don't deserve or expect any sympathy, but any advice would be very welcome.

I could take hours writing it all down, but I am a cliche, it's the oldest story in the book and you've heard it all before.

Basically, my husband and I have struggled for ten years of a thirteen year marriage. I built up a well spring of resentment and anger against him, and when someone I knew socially showed an interest in me (and he was very persistent) I succumbed.

I convinced myself I was in love with this man and my marriage was over all bar the shouting. The affair went on for almost a year, with breaks always initiated by me.

We never had full sex, but that's hardly the point, I know.

Towards the end of the affair dh and I went for counselling. At the beginning of the counselling OM and I were not in touch, but to my eternal shame, we got in touch again during it.

As a result of counselling, though, I learnt that all our problems were not dh's fault, that I had my part to play, and that maybe things weren't as bad as they'd seemed. There was hope. I cut contact with OM and decided to put everything behind me and try again with my marriage.

I could see dh trying so hard, and I could no longer bear to lie to him. I wanted him to have the full facts so he would know who he was married to and decide whether he still wanted me.

So I told him the truth. Naturally he is devastated. He has sorted out counselling for himself. I have apologised fully and swear nothing like it will ever happen again.
I am also having counselling and have been for a long time.

The thing is, I can't seem to explain to him how it happened. He says he accepts full responsibility for the state of our marriage, and the conditions that led to the affair, but that he can't understand how I could have made that leap.

My take on it is that I was in a very bad place at the time, lonely and unfulfilled in my marriage, angry with him and just so pathetically grateful for what seemed at the time like positive strokes. I can now see that I was a fool and my low self esteem had a lot to do with it.

I've tried telling dh this, tried to reassure him that I am going to work on my issues, apologised and said it won't happen again, but he just keeps saying he doesn't understand how I could have done it.

I wonder if he just wants me to say I'm a bad person.

He wants us to move house (the OM lives quite near here) and shut our business.

I can't believe the mess I've made and have no idea how to start putting it right.

Fully braced for a flaming...

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 10:22

OP if you do get that book Not Just Friends - and I really recommend that you do - you'll read some interesting stuff about the bargains people make with themselves about "since it wasn't full sex it's not as bad". When you think about it, it's a bit Clintonesque, or like the immature rationalisations perhaps we all made before we lost our virginity....

I understand why your H isn't making any distinctions about it either. And I wonder whether you are emphasising the emotional connection you felt to OM, to minimise the sexual side of things? This could be because you believe your H will obsess more about the sex than the emotions, or because you feel a misplaced sense of shame about your own sexual needs? Having those needs isn't shameful of course, getting them met by another and the associated deceit is where the guilt should be.

Having reviewed your posts again, a few things jump out. You told your H you were in love with the OM - are you still? You told your H you were only staying for the children - is that true?

Most women (me included) wouldn't want to stay with someone who was in love with someone else and staying for any reasons other than love. I don't think it's healthy for your H to accept that, but I am reminded again about the myth that prevails that men are less forgiving about infidelity. Your H's reaction absolutely accords with my experience of betrayed males - they are often more forgiving, even at personal cost to themselves

I accept what you say about your shared feelings about the unhappiness of the marriage - at least you can timeline that somewhat. I would however add that your H might have been feeling particularly desolate during the counselling, because without knowing it, he will, at a subconscious level have endured distancing from you in the preceding months or weeks, because you were having an affair. People hurt very much during a partner's affair and they often cannot put a finger on why things have got so much worse recently. They just know they are feeling particularly unhappy.

One of the exercises in the book that is useful is to draw a timeline of the relationship in its entirety and examine each other's feelings and general level of happiness at various key life catalysts, such as births of the DCs, moving home, new jobs taken etc. Often couples find that they were not on the same page at all at various points, but the exciting thing is to find times when you were. What was it about that time - and the relationship that made you both happy - or unhappy then?

How have you rationalised the relationship from the affair partner's perspective? This is also important for your recovery. I notice you said he was a coward, so I wonder whether you have worked out that for him, this might have been a no-risk bit of escapism - and not a tragic love story? If so, that would be a very healthy way to look at this. That is not to say you should put the blame on to him exclusively, but I think you are so far away from that as to be not healthy - you should take an equally dim view of his behaviour as you do your own.

Like I said downthread, I have all sorts of advice to give about the ways you can restore your H's trust and faith, but it feels somewhat redundant at the moment, because I'm just not sure you want to at the moment. I'm trying to put myself in your H's shoes, believing your words that you are only staying with him for the DCs. That must be a horrible place to be. Now he might lack the courage to know what's best for him, but hopefully you are too decent and kind a person to let him live in this limbo for much longer. I really do think you need to make a decision about this sooner rather than later. Staying for the DCs is never a good enough reason, for any of you.

inthewrong · 18/06/2010 11:37

It would serve me right if I lost my children?

Wow. Would it serve them right as well? This affair is not the be all and end all of who I am, Lucy85. I think my kids love me and want me around, whether I am a model mother or not.

Thankfully my dh is not of the same mindset. There is no question of either of us losing our children.

WWIFN - your posts have really made me think. Am I in love with OM? Well, it's strange, when I look back over the way we both behaved, I have nothing but contempt for both of us. We both behaved very badly indeed. I know that I would never in a million years have initiated an affair - I didn't even fancy him - but I found his attention very difficult to resist, and to be fair, we did have a strong friendship that did turn to a form of love. Or rather, a type of falling in love, which is different to loving someone, I think.

But now? I just wish he'd bloody well left me alone, or rather, I wish I had had the moral strength to tell him to get lost. He was a serial adulterer who was looking to have his ego stroked, and I was a silly woman having a midlife crisis and enduring a difficult marriage who, surprise surprise, enjoyed having her ego stroked. I will never understand why I didn't just tell him to get stuffed. That's what I can't make dh understand, because I just don't understand it myself. I suppose I just have to face the fact that I behaved very very badly indeed.

As far as being honest with dh, there have been times when I have said I can't go on with this marriage, and he has said there is no way he is leaving the children. So at times, I've felt as though he's been the one staying for the sake of the kids rather than out of love for me.

I know I've treated him appallingly, but he acknowledges that over the years there has been rubbish behaviour on both sides. Obviously I'm not going to post a list of all his misdemeanours on here as it will look like a massive exercise in self-justification, and there is no justification for what I did, but I was very very angry with him on some level, and wonder whether my affair was in fact in part an acting out of that anger. I don't know.

As far as the full sex thing goes, as I said in my OP, that's hardly the point. But I am glad that I didn't have sex with OM, and that dh is still the only person I have ever shared that with. It's just one small shred to cling onto.

I do love dh. I do. But I haven't loved our relationship for a very long time. I just hope we can build a better one in the future. But that depends on whether he can get past this, and whether he can trust me again.

It's going to be a very long road. I have ordered the Shirley Glass book.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 11:59

Oh I think you're doing really well and I'm so glad you've ordered that book. It will make so much sense to both of you, though it can be painful to read.

If you love the person, but not the relationship, there is enormous hope. It is a big breakthrough. Relationships can be mended after much work. A lack of love is so much more difficult to remedy.

Were the green shoots you describe, the realisation that your H really did love you and wasn't staying for the DCs? Did it warm your heart and make you wish you'd known that all along? And that if you had, you wouldn't have done what you did?

Now that you've got to this point, I'll also have a look at an earlier thread where I responded to a poster in your situation and cut and paste what might be a helpful template for the "dos and don'ts" in terms of behaviour and actions on the part of the betraying spouse.

I'm so glad you're seeing the affair partner in the right light. This will help enormously.

One of the lesser known reasons for an affair is to punish, so you might want to have a think about that. Punishing someone for lack of attention, sex, love, respect, becoming less/more attractive, being too successful, or not successful enough. It's not a particularly edifying aspect of our personalities if we have to admit we have a tendency towards being punitive, but one that needs facing up to, nevertheless.

It's what I mean when I often say the betrayer needs to be introspective. What is it about them and their personality/character that led them to this?

inthewrong · 18/06/2010 12:09

I think the green shoots were that I saw dh was willing to make real changes. One of our problems was that he was very inflexible and stubborn, and after counselling I could almost physically see him trying to change his responses to things. That made my heart go out to him and I knew I couldn't lie to him any more when he was trying so hard.

I just never ever felt that I was as important to him as he was to himself, and when I saw him trying to put me first for the first time, it was very powerful.

I think I am a punitive person, and I'm pretty sure that I was trying to punish dh without him knowing it, for the lack of attention he'd shown me over the years, and the fact that he never really took me or my needs seriously. Of course, through counselling I learned that there was fault on both sides and I probably hadn't been communicating those needs very effectively.

There are also HUGE self esteem issues stemming from childhood, which I am continuing to explore through counselling.

Like I said, a long road. Thank you so much for your support.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 12:30

You're pretty self-aware if you can own up to being punitive and so when your H asks "why?" again, a way of owning your behaviour is to say:

"It is true I felt a lack of attention from you and felt that you put yourself first too much, but what I've realised about myself is that I can be punitive.

When you wouldn't listen to me or make changes, instead of leaving you or even deciding that I would put up with that, which would have been choices you would have known about, I chose to punish you by having an affair and therefore made a decision that you were not party to.

At the time I tried to tell myself that my justification for having an affair was because of the way you'd made me feel. That was a false justification and a comforting delusion and excuse. I was punishing you, but the awful thing is that you didn't know you were being punished and therefore didn't know how bad things were. I didn't give you a level playing field on which to compete and fight for our marriage. That was so wrong and unfair and I am so sorry. I hid my decision from you and deluded myself in the process."

When people enter into affairs, there is always some kind of internal justification process going on. Those justifications are often not the truth however. These are some common ones:

I am in love (so the justification is that the affair partner is too special)
I am unhappy in my marriage (and wouldn't be doing this if I were happy)
I deserve a stress release and a bit of fun (and no-one's going to get hurt because they will never find out)

Affairs are often borne out of low-self esteem - sometimes they are time specific and occur at a point when someone feels old and out of potential, or because of how they've always felt about themselves, or because a person defines themselves by their attraction to others. It's good that you are identifying where yours is rooted.

inthewrong · 18/06/2010 12:36

I used all those justifications, WWIFN. Each and every one. But the time came when they were ringing hollow to my own ears.

I will try to communicate what you have suggested to dh. To be honest, I have said a lot of that already, in one form or another. But he's still in shock, I think, and therefore still says "But how could you physically do it?".

I think he's struggling to equate who he thought I was with who I actually am. As am I

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 12:41

Also meant to say that sometimes when an affair partner is struggling with the "why" question, it is helpful to explain what this wasn't about. So, you could say, it wasn't because I didn't love you/find you attractive/stopped fancying you, it wasn't because I though the OM was an alternative or because I fancied him like mad, it wasn't because he was better in any way...etc. etc.

That process often helps you decide what is was about, then.

inthewrong · 18/06/2010 12:42

That's helpful, thank you. I never thought about approaching it like that.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 12:50

One of the hardest things to deal with and something that causes unimaginable grief, is that this person, whom you have had on a pedestal for so long, isn't who you thought they were. This behaviour - not just the infidelity, but the lying and deceiving, is so alien to what was perceived to be your character, he is struggling with everything he believed and held true for so many years. This is the disbelief stage. This is why so many betrayed spouses bargain with themselves that their spouse was corrupted by an OW/OM and that they aren't really awful, after all.

The sad truth is that good people do bad things. The person you have loved, really was capable of this, for a time.

But although having an affair is emotionally abusive, if this is an isolated act of abuse, it doesn't have to define who you are as a person. I often advise people to "do the maths" and work out whether deceit, lies and selfishness are typical, or aberrant behaviours. Your H's shock suggests this is aberrant.

FrogInAJacuzzi · 18/06/2010 12:57

I admire how brave and honest you have been, inthewrong. This thread has been really thought-provoking. I have not been in the position that you find yourself in, but have come close. My father was a cold, unemotional man, on occasion verbally abusive and I never felt as if I was good enough. I seem to have chosen a similar personality type in my DH. The resentment over the years has built up, and I have never been able to express it properly to him. When we do attempt to discuss issues, it always ends up in a huge and ugly row.

I feel emotionally disconnected from my DH now. If someone came along offering attention and love (even if it was all a fantasy) I can see how easy it would be to be drawn in. We all have a deep need for emotional validation - to feel accepted, understood and nurtured. If that is missing in our primary relationship I think most people will either consciously or subconsciously seek it out. I'm not trying to justify affairs and in a perfect world, we would all resolve our problems/get a divorce before getting involved with other people. But..it's not a perfect world.

I really hope things work out for you. Let us know how you get on.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/06/2010 14:04

Okay, inthewrong I have found that post now. I have just changed a few details, because this was after all in response to another female poster who had confessed an affair, but actually I found that I had to change very little....by the way, my H and I are almost 2 years on now from discovery.

"I can tell you that it is possible for you to help your H with his pain and get a stronger marriage as a result. There are some things my H did after his affair that really helped me - and others that hindered my progress.

My H:

  • Severed all contact with OW and told her never to contact him again, for any reason.
  • Became instantly transparent in his actions. Understood that trust had gone and became an open book, inviting me to check his phone, his phone bills, internet history etc.
  • Took the decision himself to get individual counselling to work out how it had been possible for him to go against all his values.
  • Reassured me over and over again that OW could not compare to me in any respect. Kept telling me (and showing me) that he thought I was the most beautiful, desirable woman on the planet. Clearly, I am not, but it was obvious that he thought I was, which helped!
  • Never once blamed me for this, recognising that this was about him and his faults - and not our marriage. His justifications, even at the time of his affair, had nothing to do with the state of our marriage, which was happy. To his shame, they were utterly banal; he was under a lot of stress and this could be a low-risk adventure that wouldn't hurt me, as I would never find out. Yes, later on, I could see why this happened when it did and how our marriage had become vulnerable, but the decision to have an affair is very much a choice. They don't "just happen".
  • Praised virtually everything I did, from my professional abilities, my mothering skills to my friendship skills. Most of all, my gifts as a person. In essence, he told me why he loved me - and why others loved me.
  • Was willing to talk endlessly and answer all my questions about the affair and our marriage up to that point (24 years). This was a major change, as he had never previously enjoyed "relationship talks".
  • Changed his job role to allow more time with me and the DCs. This involved a professional sacrifice, but he was instantly happier, as the previous role had been the source of stress and depression, which was one of the catalysts for the affair.
  • Did absolutely everything to make my life easier, understanding that my world had shattered and I was suffering a kind of post-traumatic shock. Nurtured me and cared for me.
  • Showed and expressed his heartfelt sorrow and remorse for what he had done, over and over again.

None of the above has ever stopped incidentally, in 16 months since discovery.

He did do some things that hindered though and in your shoes, I would avoid if you can.

In the early days, he thought he had told me everything there was to tell - and wanted desperately to "get back to normal", not realising that there could - and shouldn't - be a "normal" again. Your lives have changed irrevocably and one can never "go back" - you have to create something new. It was at this sticking point that he went for counselling - and it was a breakthrough.

In terms of what I'm about to say next,have in the back of your mind that I wanted to know everything. I felt that only when I had absorbed everything in its true awfulness, could I move on and forgive. We understand painfully now that forgiveness is impossible when one doesn't know all there is to forgive.

He withheld some information so as to minimise the hurt - and his own culpability. Not huge details in the great scheme of things, but enough of them in volume to cause fresh pain when they emerged as a drip-feed over the past 16 months. It is better to tell all straight away, if your DH wants to know. It is vitally important that you respect his needs in this. If he doesn't want to know every gory detail yet, respect that, but answer truthfully when he does.

My H lied more directly about some things too, for the same reasons as above.

The most confusing ones were the lies he had told to himself - they took ages to unpick and were hugely frustrating for me - we look back now and refer to them as "battles". At times I doubted my sanity because I couldn't understand how he couldn't see what was obvious to me, and I imagined anyone else who was hearing his account. In all this, we discovered he had an enormous capacity to self-delude and put his head in the sand. His counselling found the root of all this - he had learned as a child to completely ignore direct and incontrovertible evidence that his own parents' marriage was a sham. This unfortunate coping mechanism had served him well in terms of survival and so it had stuck.

From the betrayed's perspective, it is very difficult if not impossible to heal when fresh information keeps coming out. The wound keeps being picked over. Some of this, I felt as though I was doing to myself, but I realise now it was because I didn't feel or sense that I had the whole truth, so I had to keep re-visiting things that didn't add up.

Eventually, you arrive at a "shared understanding" about the affair and your marriage. This is important, so you are on "the same page". From this, you move on to a kind of acceptance that this has happened, but it takes a long time and I wouldn't say I'm there yet.

It is terribly important that your husband confronts some of the things he might have believed in the past about affairs. For affairs like yours and my H's, they were not about the sex or even the other person particularly. They were about the feelings the affair induced - excitement, escapism from the trials and mundanity of life, being desired, respected and adored.

Whilst disliking gender distinctions in a general sense, it would be wise to note that historically, betrayed men fixate on the sex their wives were having with OM, imagining that they must be crap in bed compared to the lover etc., whereas betrayed women fixate on the emotional connection their Hs must have had with the OW. Sometimes, what ever the fixation, the "well intended lie" from the betrayer follows. These lies don't actually help in the long term and will always show out. Therefore be honest right from the start, but acknowledge that you might also be lying to yourself too. That's normal - don't beat yourself up about it! Do confront what you think you believe though.

IME, cuckolded men are far more likely to blame themselves for the affair and you should never let him do that. It's far healthier to acknowledge that some of his behaviours and your lifestyle might have made you vulnerable, but this was a decision you made and therefore take full responsibility for. The affair was a lousy catalyst to the shake-up you needed, but at least you know now - and it's out in the open. The challenge now is to learn from it.

Counselling is I think essential - but at the right time and in the right formation. My H did counselling on his own and I've just started my individual counselling, something I should have started long, long ago. Couples counselling at this early stage will work if you both commit to honesty. Had we gone for this too early, it wouldn't have been as successful because there just wouldn't have been enough hours available to unpeel the layers. It could be that you're both ready for real honesty, in which case it might work well for you.

It is possible to regard this life-changing event as an opportunity to gain an even better marriage."

inthewrong I don't know if this will help you at all, because you seem pretty self-aware and responsible to me, but I hope it resonates somehow.

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 18/06/2010 14:24

Inthewrong, can you talk a bit more about the issues in the marriage itself? i realise you're in counselling, but I'm really intrigued by the fact that even in your most recent posts, which testify to loving him, you haven't said one thing about him that's positive.

That might just be because you're focusing on your behaviour here; all the other 'characters' in your story are shadowy because your intent is to examine your own behaviour, that's reasonable.

But as for your husband. I keep coming back to this. Ten YEARS is a very, very long time to be unhappy. And you told him, over and over, and yet you didn't leave. Why not? Why did you leave the decisions in his hands?

You seem awfully lucid and articulate and self-aware. But you seem to have a history of passivity around men; ten years you were unhappy but didn't leave because your husband said he wouldn't leave the kids. And then you let a serial womaniser make moves on you, and you'd never have initiated. i'm not hearing much about what you want and who you are.

inthewrong · 18/06/2010 15:55

WWIFN, that's really interesting, thank you. You've given me a lot to think about, particularly about how to treat dh now. I'm ashamed to say I haven't been nearly as kind to him as your dh was to you. The reasons for your dh's affair seem to be very different to the reasons for mine though, and it seems your marriage was a happier one leading up to the affair.

Tortoise - yes, I suppose I am quite passive, I've never thought of myself as being so, as I am a shouter and a flinger, but shouting and flinging can be fairly ineffectual.

Positive things about my husband? Well, he's calm, often kind, can be funny and a great dad. We do have things in common and can still make each other laugh.

But we haven't always communicated well and he is a very deep, hard to reach kind of person. Whereas OM was very easy to communicate with, and very (too) easy to reach. He can also be stubborn and a bit afraid of intimacy, which is something I crave. But we are talking about all this and he realises he needs to make changes too.

I need to be more assertive, I think. Skulking around fostering resentments and then cashing in my chips by having a stupid affair was not the way forward.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, is it not?

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