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he always said it would never happen again

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MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 08:25

but it did.
i said it would be the end if he ever did it again.
last night because of someone taking two lots of money from our account instead of one, and because i had called them to make sure they didnt, it was my my fault as i sit on my fat arse all day and play games.
when i told he how dare he speak to me like that and he was a nasty b***d, he waved his fist n my face and said that he was this close from hitting me, i ignored it and carried on looking for the number to sort the money out and he pushed me over the settee.
i walked out of the room and that was it.he hasnt apologised nor shown any remorse this morning
i have a big bruise on my arm where he pushed me
im sat here now, not having any close enough friends to talk to and my little one keeps asking why im so sad

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TracyK · 20/07/2005 09:28

Have you tried to get counselling either together or seperatley?
Or why don't you start making future plans for leaving him if he ever does it again?
If you have all the arrangements ready and in place you may feel more confident.
Have all your documents in one place eg passport, bank books etc. A place lined up to stay etc.
If he's not immediately violent then maybe not urgent that you leave.

edam · 20/07/2005 09:31

MHIB, I don't think so. You knew what the advice would be because in your heart you know it's right. It's just taking that first step that is so very hard especially when your confidence has been undermined over a long period of time. That's how violent men operate. Please, if you can't face the thought of leaving, just phone Women's Aid. They won't make you go ? no-one can ? but they will listen.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:34

thanks Tarcyk, thats what i was hoping to do, i want either him or us to go to counselling and after this, he cant refuse really.
he has no friends, doesnt go out unless its with us and is constanly looking at ways of improving our lives, so my lack of interest wont help his depression if he has 'no one' to talk things through with, i dont condone vilence nor do i think i am to blame, but i can see why he lets things build up when he has no one to discuss them with.
we havent had a big argument for such a long time and although things are not as lovey dovewy as they once were, i think that go's for most new parents who have no outside help, i just wanna talk to him

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Kittypickle · 20/07/2005 09:35

I know it's not what you want to hear but you are a victim of a cycle of abuse. You've just said that your mother has suffered at the hands of your father and are comparing your situation to yours. This is affecting your response to the situation you're in. If this does not get resolved, the cycle will continue and one day it will be your precious DD who is going through what you and your Mum have suffered. It may be that you can work this out with him getting counselling, but please, remove yourself NOW and talk to him from safety. He is unpredictable . You do NOT know how he will be tonight, however much you think he will be fine. Don't forget, he hasn't even shown the slightest bit of remorse for his actions. Please ring Woman's Aid , this is not necessarily the end of your relationship and could be the beginnings of a better one in which you feel valued and safe, but that is not going to happen without a lot of hard work. And for now you must remove yourself to be able to begin this process safely for both you and your DD.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:36

thing is, he knows what my father put me through as a child and what his father put his mother through, i broke the cycle, cant he see what he's doing

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TracyK · 20/07/2005 09:37

Maybe phone womens aid - they may have the contact numbers for counselling - you may have to start the ball rolling now as I've heard it sometimes takes ages to get an appointment with the counsellors. Get your name down now and if the worst comes to the worst - you can go on your own and see them. They may be able to guide you as to how to deal with the situation should it happen again.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:38

womans aid number is just ringing and ringing

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fairyfly · 20/07/2005 09:38

Nope my heart is breaking. I didn't. I said the same as you. But the most damage caused was not by violence it came from the constant name calling. I justified his actions constantly. I protected him, i adored him, I constantly told myslef that he was better than this and i could help save him. That he was obviously depressed and i, with love, would show him how wonderful the world could be. I had no idea all the time i was putting my entire life into his needs and turning into a complete shadow of my former self. Ultimately i had a man with a nasty aggressive slefish streak and there was absolutely nothing i could do about it.
My friends now explain to me what i was like when i was with him. i cannot believe i was unaware of what happened to me. Like you i thought it was ok because i never ended up completely beaten, just bruised.
Another thing is that if you love him you have to teach him the consequences of his actions. He needs to know his behaviour is wrong and perhaps teaching him that, and him learning on reflection how he treated you will make him change and then he can also be happier in the future.
I was obsessed with the fact some men can change but i have never heard of one yet.

Kittypickle · 20/07/2005 09:41

And I do agree with things being difficult for parents' with no help, we don't get any either (two children, one with dyspraxia) and our relationship does suffer from it, but my DH values me and makes me feel great about myself and I know he would never ever hit me. The cycle isn't broken yet as you have been a victim of domestic violence. It CAN be broken and must be in one way for yours and your DD's sake. There are other threads on here about this and there are a couple of people who have managed to sustan relationship with their partner receiving anger management etc counselling. But sorry to sound like a broken record, you must act now - remember, he still doesn't seem to realise that his actions are wrong.

Kittypickle · 20/07/2005 09:41

sorry, didn't see you were ringing Woman's Aid, well done for picking up the phone and keep trying.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:41

i think ill wait until ive spoken to him, if hes not interested, then i know what i must do then as i cant keep bouncing back but if he's prepared to do something about it about us, then he must help himself

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MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:43

i really want to ring him but firstly, i shouldnt have to secondly hes at work and it should have been discussed ast night and thirdly, why should i make the step and make it easier for him

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edam · 20/07/2005 09:45

Keep trying Women's Aid instead. They suffer from lack of funding so their phone lines are busy, but please keep trying. I really do hope you manage to get out of this situation.

Kittypickle · 20/07/2005 09:48

At the end of the day it is your decision and only yours. But how do you know what his response will be to a discussion on this - what if he's been to the Pub before you see him, how safe will you be ? Don't forget, he has not even shown that he is the slightest bit sorry . Please do as Edam says, keep trying the number and speak to someone who can give you professional advice on this.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 09:53

he doesnt go out drinking, he only has a couple of beers at the weekend.i dont know how i can explaion this but he doesnt have a vilent disposition, just moody so i know he wont come in all guns blazing, i know he knows hes in the wrong and i know he doesnt know what to say as he cant redeem himself for what he has done, but instead of making a pigs ear of it anyway, hes just said nothing

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Mytwopenceworth · 20/07/2005 09:54

i feel really sad for you, but more so for your child. i didnt find in any of your posts whether you have a boy or a girl but think what message you are giving them. its ok to shove mummy around. you may raise a boy to be a man who does the same, or a girl who accepts the same - you owe your child a better future than that.

i hope you make the choice to leave, dont put THINGS above what really matters. so you make do in accomodation that isnt what you want, and you scrimp and you dont have flash stuff. a cot is no reason for staying in a relationship where you get abused.

you say you cant leave, but you can. you are making the choice to stay because it seems less scary to you than striking out on your own.

today he pushes you, in a few years when he is kicking you around the kitchen in front of your kids and telling you he only does it cos you wind him up and everything would be ok if only you could be a better person you will be so destroyed that it will be a million times harder to get out.

its so scary to think what damage he is doing to you and to your child, and he isnt even at that manipulative 'break down and fake weep im so sorry i will never do it again please dont leave me i need you' stage. he does what he does without remorse. you will end up in hospital or 6 feet under.

GO.

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 10:01

im so stupid,im more concerned with letting his sister down by not going this afternoon and wheether to ring the solicitors about the hosue

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Mytwopenceworth · 20/07/2005 10:09

you are NOT stupid! do not get into that mindset - that is very dangerous. please get help for you and your child. please.

swiperfox · 20/07/2005 10:33

MHIB - are you still around? I just spent half hour telling you how i got through this with my dp and ds has just wiped the lot!!! I will try again!!

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 10:48

yes, im here

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swiperfox · 20/07/2005 11:00

ok here goes...again!

I have been with my dp for 5 years. Things started going wrong when I was pregnant with dd in 2001. Our arguments escalated (sp?) and got increasingly nasty in that they went from bickering into nasty name-calling and verbal abuse, to pushing and shoving and threats. It died down for a while and then got worse in 2003. I wasdeeply in love with dp and felt that I couldn't leave him. My parents split up when I was 6 and I swore that whoever I had my children with would be the man I stayed with forever. I didn't want my children to have the broken home I did. Looking back now that's what drove me through it. It got to a point when dd was about 2 that he shouted so loudly at me and so close to my face that dd was scared of him. His temper got to a ridiculous point. Once he stopped on the side of the road andf kicked me and dd out of the car and threatened to leave us there. He didn't. Other times it was shouting, pushing and threats. Eventually I snapped. Enough was enough. I was still too scared to leave though. I still loved him and I didn't want to leave and take dd away from her Dad (not that he was a Dad that she deserved at this point - but i knew he could be) I didn't want to take her from her home, her toys, her bedroom etc. Every time I thought about taking her away it broke my heart BUT I knew that if I wasn't going to leave I had to do something. The next time we argued, I lost it. I finally stood up to him. I told him 'Congratualtions, you're a big man. I am scared of you. I'm scared that the next argument will be the one where you hit me. I'm scared to go to bed in case you take dd away in the night. You are a bully. Does it make you feel good?' I made him answer me. He wouldn't at first but i kept asking him if it made him feel good to know that i was scared of him. It took him by surprise and he stood there like a child being told off. I told him that his own baby was scared of him and asked him again 'Do you get a kick from that? does it make you feel good?' I also lied a bit and told him that the nursery had seen a difference in her and asked if things were ok.

I told him that Iwasn't going to let him do it to me or more importantly dd, and that if he didn't go and do something about his temper, we would think about leaving.

I think my first breakthrough was to get him to admit to me that he did have a problem with his temper. He has been through a hell of a lot in those 3 years that were eating him up. He had no-one to talk to about it properly and would bottle it up until it all blew in a fight.

I had to go through this a couple more times until he finally went to the Dr. who gave him a mild course of anti depressants and a 6 week councelling course.

Having someone to talk to who was neutral made the world of difference to him. He was able to talk, to cry, to let it all out. She knew exactly the right questions to ask him and taught him how to deal with his feelings.

Today he is a changed man. Don't get me wrong, we still fight, but he knows how to walk away now and anytime we argue, it's over before it's begun.

We now have a year old ds. DD is back to her normal, happy, confident self and things have never been better. So it can be done. I could have walked away. I could have beren strong and left him - but would be missing out on a wonderful family and relationship.

By no means am I condoning what he is doing. But I do know how scary it is. You have to be strong, and if you think you can all get through this then be the strong one and go for it. I f you think that he is just in a vicious cycle that he will never get out of then you really need to think seriously about what to do. You've been there 10 years already so you don't have to do it in a day. THink it through. Plan it. Learn all your options and most importantly do what's right for you and your little one.

I really hope you get through this.

If you ever ever get desperate my door is always open

MyHeartIsbreaking · 20/07/2005 11:06

thankyou Swiper

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swiperfox · 20/07/2005 11:21

No problems. You can also cat me anytime you need to talk

MeerkatsUnite · 20/07/2005 11:52

Myheartisbreaking,

Did you manage to get through to Women's Aid?.

I was going to write a very similar response to Kittypickle's. Your DD is 2; one day she will be an adult. If you choose to stay for whatever reason in this "relationship" then your decision will also affect her. She may well go on (as you have done in adulthood) to subconsciously choose a man who abuses her. I therefore do not think you have broken the cycle of abuse completely; its become generational.

People only change if they themselves want to. No amount of talking and counselling will help him if he does not want to be helped. You cannot act as someone's rescuer or saviour in a relationship and you cannot save someone who does not want to be saved.

Abuse is about power and control and at this time he has all the power and control. You have become an aquiescent punchbag both verbally and physically. For your sake and that of your DD, take some power back. You can break free of him.

swiperfox · 20/07/2005 19:30

how are you?

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