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Does your DH make you feel good

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stradivarious · 03/03/2010 11:57

about yourself? I'm so fed up and sad because DH always passes negative remarks about me. He sees incapable of having a mature adult conversation without it turning into a nasty argument. He tells me I am like a child, I will never be happy with anything, the list goes on. I often wonder if he really believes this statements to be true or is he just trying to be top dog so to speak. I feel so sad today and it hurts too much.

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stradivarious · 03/03/2010 16:47

MarineIguana - I have read the book. Dh saw it and asked what it was, never commented though. Strange that because if the book had been written about women and he was reading it I would have been mortified. You know I have always said I have stood up for myself but I must have been blind. How could I possibly have been standing up for myself to allow this mess to occur. I guess I have become more assertive over the last few years, sadly it has come to late. Is it unrealistic to be admired by your DH. I do, for many reasons, admire my DH but sadly he doesn't even believe me (another kick in the teeth)

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MarineIguana · 03/03/2010 16:59

It's not too late woman! How old are you? Would you like the rest of your life to be more of the same, or a new adventure - with or without this man? You sound defeated, but it's actually completely within your power to make everything different.

stradivarious · 03/03/2010 18:49

mid 50s

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Tortington · 03/03/2010 19:21

you could have another 30 years of this shit - thats a long time.

Roxylox · 03/03/2010 19:35

So sorry stradivarious that you are going through all this heartache.

May I offer another perspective?

You mention the 22 years you have been together as a reason to stay together.

My parents married and stayed together, despite both being desperately unhappy - until 36 years later my father committed suicide.

Please think about now, and the future. Please don't live and love in the past.

Staying together won't make the last 22 years "worth it". Good mental health is worth so much more.

ItsGraceAgain · 03/03/2010 19:41

Dear Stradivarious,

I'm also in my mid-50s (55 tomorrow!) I sometimes think about how my life may have been if I'd not married the men I did ... MUCH better! I sometimes think about how it may have been if I'd stayed married to either of them ... MUCH worse!

As it happens, both men stitched me up royally when we split. They were able to do this because my self-esteem was so low, I genuinely didn't know I had "the right to be treated with respect" - let alone consideration or care. There were no forums like this one and I made my mistakes alone, basically.

I am destitute, depressed, lonely and middle-aged. My life is what you probably fear, should you lose your irritating lump of flesh. I'm here to tell you my life is HAPPIER than yours! Every day I choose what to eat and when, I watch what I want on TV, I say what I like to whomever I please, I sleep comfortably (whatever happened to the "Slippers" thread??) and I am content. I used to take the mickey out of "contentment" but, even then, I knew it was really because I hadn't got it.

Much has changed in the past 10 years. It's now very unlikely you'd lose as much as I did if you end your marriage. Therefore, your chances of even greater contentment will be that much higher!

Hope you're going to talk about it with your girl friend

Headbanger · 03/03/2010 22:33

Grace, although i'm so terribly sorry that you are lonely and depressed...in a strange way that's one of the most bloody cheering things I've ever read ever, and I raise my glass to you! Here's to being content.

Strad, hope you had/are having a champion time.

gremlindolphin · 04/03/2010 10:40

great post ItsGraceAgain

NicknameTaken · 04/03/2010 11:10

Grace, what a weirdly comforting post!

Good advice here. Stradi, I really do suggest that you talk to Women's Aid. They won't force you to leave or condemn you for not doing so. Don't think your situation isn't bad enough and you're talking up their time. Seriously, they'll listen and tell you what your options are.

Nobody thinks you're weak for not storming out of your marriage immediately. You've been ground down and had your confidence drained for you for decades. Of course you feel a bit paralysed now. Well done for starting to confront painful truths. Take your time, do some thinking and reading, watch how your H treats you and ask whether you'd like your DD to be treated like that. Whether you want your DS to act like that. It's not too late. You've got options. Start protecting yourself from your H's evaluation of you. I recommend keeping a diary and recording your H's insults and your own moods. I did this and realized that I was at the receiving end of an outburst several times a week and constantly on edge in between. It was a real revelation when I came to ask myself if I wanted to live like that.

autumnlight · 04/03/2010 12:02

I think Alibaba is right. Have you had happy content times over the years with him? I can honestly say that during my 11 year marriage I have no real happy memories.

stradivarious · 04/03/2010 15:51

Good morning, sadly today I feel no better than I did yesterday. Had a nice night out with girlfriend who understanderbly felt sad for me and amazed as how DH says some things etc. Came home and needless to say did not kiss him hello, nor goodbye when I wnet out for that matter. Got up this morning feeling pretty down but thought ok, I'm not going to be warm and loving but I will talk to him normally i.e. without it being obvious I am sad etc. So, he spoke back to me just as normal, everything calm and ok then he went out to work and did'nt kiss me goodbye! Well I guess I deserved that since I had treated him like that but it sure as hell has hurt me again. I just want to move on from the other evening and settle down again, up until then we had had a really nice couple of weeks. Here we are again back at square one, me feeling hurt and sad, him feeling resentful and p**d off no doubt even though he instigated the verbal attack.

I hear you loud and clear ItsGraceAgain and I dont really know what I am going to do. Happy Birthday, I hope you have a good one.

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stradivarious · 04/03/2010 15:57

Headbanger, thank you for asking how I am.

NicknameTaken, thats a really good idea, I think I will do that and see how it all pans out.

autumnlight, We used to be very loving and close... until the DC came along, youngest is 11 but it really all went to pot 6years ago. for your own unhappiness, I hope you can make changes to improve things if possible.

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Malificence · 04/03/2010 16:03

It will only get harder the older you get, do you want to still be in this lonely place when another 22 years has gone by?
If you really don't want to leave him fair enough, but at least make some changes to your own life, your life isn't all about him, and his needs don't have priority over yours.

My sister stayed with her husband for 25 years until he upped and left for another victim, she says she would have probably never left him but admits he did her a favour, even though she lost everything, including the house she was born in.

She's now been on her own for 7 years and has never been happier, even though she has very little in the way of material things - she joined a club and has lots of friends and she's in the darts team and on the commitee, in those first few months she thought she was absolutely destroyed but she's realised how strong she really is.

Anniegetyourgun · 04/03/2010 16:24

I was with mine for 23 years (plus two when we lived under the same roof while divorcing, but I wouldn't call that "together!). He was my first and only boyfriend and we had 4 DCs. I believe in marriage for life and that if you promise to stay with someone forever that's what you should do. He could be very nice when he wanted, but he didn't want to nearly often enough, and regularly he'd suddenly put me down out of the blue, leaving me wondering what I'd done. Like you, I'd try to boost his confidence, tell him I admired him, but he wouldn't believe me. I don't think much of my looks and have a great way of putting men off by talking too much about the wrong things, so I had to accept that if I left it might well be my last relationship ever. The children loved him, at least as much as they loved me, and I worried that they would choose to live with him. But in the end, I divorced him anyway. It was that or be carted off screaming, and probably charged with murder to boot.

I'm in my 50s myself, getting over depression, currently unemployed, but by God life is better without him in it. And guess what? The children worked out where they were happiest, and it was with me. Once he didn't have his favourite victim he started on them, they saw it and got away. I am pleased with myself that by getting away myself, I provided them with a refuge.

Funnily enough, I still don't usually think of him as a bad man - more a damaged one that I can't live with. He does try to press the old buttons sometimes, but they don't work any more, because I Don't Care.

stradivarious · 04/03/2010 16:42

Thanks Annie. I wish I could find the answer in my heart but its just not showing itself yet. I still love DH and for the most paert he is a good person, this makes it all the hearder to turn my back. I can;t imagine us not being together, it just doesnt sound credible.

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ChairmumMiaow · 04/03/2010 20:17

strad - can you imagine your life without his criticisms and without worrying about when he might explode at you though? What difference would that make?

I'm struggling to imagine my life without my H - something that he's really forced on me, but I'm starting to see that while I might be more often alone, his company hasn't been worth all that much for some time, other than his (admittedly great at times) practical support.

BertieBotts · 04/03/2010 20:48

When I was with XP, who sounds similar to your H, I used to find it very upsetting to read or hear about husbands and partners who were caring, and nice, and romantic without strings attached - or who didn't pester for sex, or who were respectful and spoke to their wives as equals, and considered them friends as well as lovers. I used to feel so envious of people who had partners like this, for a while I even believed these men were rare and that most men were like my (X)P. I used to think back to my previous boyfriend (who believe me had BIG faults) and miss him incredibly, because he would touch me affectionately, because he would apologise if he accidentally hurt me (ie normal things like bumping into someone or making a hand gesture and accidentally catching someone with your arm) - and my partner at the time did not do these things. It was so so upsetting to think that I had picked him, and I had to get by without affection, or respect, or being treated as an equal, because I loved him for other reasons (For what?? I wonder now! I knew at the time.) I used to have conversations (just normal friendly conversations) with XP's friends and wish that I could have those kind of conversations with him. I remember feeling proud that I was "strong enough" not to cheat on him, thinking how easy it would be to fall for one of his friends in comparison to him! All his previous girlfriends had cheated on him - a fact he liked to remind everyone of at every possible opportunity - and it was obvious that he expected me to do the same.

But still, despite all this, despite sticking by him, I still dreamed about my knight in shining armour who would come and take me away - about falling for one of his friends, or about bumping into my ex-boyfriend and things escalating, even though I knew I would never do it, and I felt guilty for thinking these things, but it didn't stop me from thinking them anyway. And eventually I realised, why am I staying with him, when I want to be with someone who is completely different to him? Surely when you are in love, you don't think about other people. If he is so wonderful, why does everyone else - even men I know are far from perfect - seem like a step up from this? And I realised that by staying with him, if I ever met this perfect man, they would pass me by - they would see I was with someone and move on. And I would miss that chance to be in that perfect relationship. And then I realised that I didn't really need anyone at all and I would be happy enough on my own without anyone in my life for the immediate future, and I moved on, and I left. And I am HAPPY And I never realised quite how unhappy I was then, until now.

BertieBotts · 04/03/2010 20:51

Oh and I am now available for that knight in shining armour if he fancies popping round any time soon

stradivarious · 05/03/2010 09:08

BertieBotts, I'm so glad you are happy now, I understand what you have said and am trying to put a different perspective on things right now. DH is not rotten most of the time, just sometimes but if then it can be enough for me to feel my world is collapsing around me. Me thinks I have to find a way to change my reactions to him or seriously think about moving on.

ChairmumMiaow - he doesn't actually explode he just has a sarcastic streak and responds like an adolescent instead of being mature and 'hearing' me IYKWIM. Its like he is a great person but then this other side comes out sometimes and ruins it all and leaves me thinking "do you really care about me", it often feels like he doesn't. I get upset (very), we have a big fight, row, debate, (call it what you will), boundaries get broken, I get told how demanding, childish, obsessed etc I am (honestly I am not) and then he retreats further from the relationship also which leaves me feeling even more upset. I think deep down he has insecurities tries to control things, he couldn't bear it if he thought I had the 'upper hand' which by the way, I firmly believe that neither partner should have.

I started talking to him last night hyperthetically about divorce settlements and pensions etc, he kept asking why did I want to know. I said I was interested and needed to have a rough idea of my financial future should I find myself alone. He was able to talk to me about it but I wonder has it given him food for thought. It wasn't a test on my part or a trick to unsettle him, I am concerned for my future, but I wonder what he is thinking about 'us' now.

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MarineIguana · 05/03/2010 10:27

Strad I must say, anytime I read on MN or hear in RL about a break-up from a man like this - even when the woman didn't want it - she is invariably so much happier and stronger once she gets past the initial upset. Your self-esteem has been ground down - without him, you would get it back and discover a whole new life and self that have been suppressed and pushed aside. I have never, ever heard any woman in this position say "you know what, I wish I had never left that undermining, critical, emotionally absent bloke I was with - oh how much better things were back then" - never. In fact it's generally the man who ends up regretting it all - and damn right too.

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Anniegetyourgun · 05/03/2010 18:08

LeQueen! "Pushing 40" is NOT past your best. It's just coming up to your best. Now think gorgeous, because you're entitled to.

gremlindolphin · 05/03/2010 23:45

sometime dh makes me feel fantastic and sometimes he makes me feel like s*t, I would like less of the fantastic and none of the s*t.

Dogandbone · 07/03/2010 04:27

Mine makes me feel georgous. The last one didn't, and it took me a very long time to get used to it.

I read your post and thought that your dh must be young and might be overcome by the responsibility of new parenthood. So I had a go at mentally defending him and failed (assuming he is in his fifties too).

You could have another 50 years of this.

I do recommend a book on assertiveness called 'A Woman in your own Right', be Anne Dickson.

deste · 07/03/2010 19:52

Is this by any chance the man who wont let you buy stuff for the house and wants to buy his own private jet.

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