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After 27 years my husband no longer wants me...

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hangingin · 19/02/2010 14:43

I have come over from another thread. I have been married for 27 years and my husband has been working abroad for the last 2 years. At his insistence I gave up my job in order to join him I was due to move over in January. In November he told me he no longer wanted me there. I discovered that he has been carrying a torch for a female employee although he will not admit is even though I have seen text messages, poems etc. I believe the relationship is one sided - I know the woman concerned who is 20 years younger and I do not believe she is complicit.

When I visited in January for his birthday on my return he phoned to say he missed me and I should be with him and then changed his mind.

I am distraught having completely changed my life to be with him. He used to be very loving now he is cold and distant. Everyone advises me to walk away but I can't I love him as much today as when we first met. We have 4 grown up sons who know something of what is going on but not all. I feel my life is over and there is nothing left.

Sorry to have gone on so much but I just can't walk away.

I don't know if anyone has any advice but any comments would be welcome.

OP posts:
hangingin · 08/03/2010 08:42

I am sorry AF you have no idea what I have done and I resent your implications. You are obviously a very angry person and I am sorry for that but please don't take it out on posters here.

As it happens I have got very angry and he has admitted he has treated me in a shameful way but he has no intention of changing I dont think. So reluctantly I might have to call it a day - this is not what I want I love him and have always supported him but this appears now to be totally one sided.

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stradivarious · 08/03/2010 10:00

hangingin, sorry things are no better for you, I know I would do exactly as you have done and just bided my time a bit. 27 years is too much to throw away in rush but from what you are still posting it doesn't look good does it. As I said before, I hope you are surrounded by family and friends who can support you at this time. Keeping yourself busy is the best thing to do, it doesn't mean you are ignoring your situation, you are giving yourself time to deal with things and hopefully, without other people telling you what to do, you will come to your own decision. Other peoples opinions are useful and supportiver but ultimately only you know how you can deal with your situation.

I do indeed feel for you, to love your DH and be treated like this is very painful, I hope it gets better for you soon. My marriage is a continual 'work in progress' but I still hang in there, how can we live without hope. Maybe DH is having some sort of mid life crisis, men can be very immature and selfish, I hope you get through this. x

BaggyAgy · 08/03/2010 10:20

Hi Hanginin, I am so sorry for your situation. I am in much the same position. My husband too started having a relationship possibly non-sexual, when I started my cancer treatment. I too, am far from young. We have built up a lot together. We have a social network, 2 homes, social position, family and friends together which would be jeopardised by formal divorce. I have not divorced but decided to stay in the marriage for my own benefit and for selfish reasons too, not out of low self esteem. I will stay to enjoy the fruits of the life I helped build. Why should I suffer a lowering of my lifesstyle because he is a cheat?
My self esteem did plunge when I realised that his serial emotional affairs were humiliating for me. One of his obsessions was with a girl half his age. Staying in the relationship because it suits me, may be seen as using him, but he is not being straight with me. I am staying out of choice because it suits me at present, I feel more in control. Further it gives me time to adjust and I would be more able to face a break-up if I have had time to prepare both emotionally and financially.

I had some telephone counselling with Relate. The counsellor did say that he thought our relationship was not viable because my husband if so dishonest, I think He further went on to say that my husband is probably a very unhappy man, that he is having extreme difficulty coming to terms with aging. This helped diminish the anger I feel. I did tell my husband that he had "changed the rules of our relationship" which clearly worried him. However I do think that by continually surveying the field of single women, he might find someone else and leave. By then I will have built up my own new life. I am staying in our overseas holiday home. He visits weekends. He does not want to lose me at the moment. I think he has seen friends with young wives and young children. He would not want to have young children around him, or to be paying for children long into his old age. I do think obsessions with younger women reflect sadness and disappointment in himself. He is aging and feeling "is this all there is". Younger women represent nostalgia for his lost youth. My husband had something of a wake up call when colleagues started openly mocking him for his flirting. He does not want to look like an old fool/dirty old man whom people laugh about. Where does this leave you. I do not think your husband is without feelings for you. However he does not much care that he is hurting you, he is putting his own needs before yours.
He is possibly seeking novelty, lost youth, excitement, which new relationships,obsessions appear to offer. The problem is in his head.
I have started to build a new life. Like you I could replace him, and that thought alone sustains me. I need not be alone if I so choose. Only you are responsible for your own happiness. Don't give him the power of deciding whether or not you will be happy. As a spin-off the happier you appear, the more appealing you appear, and the more worthy of his respect. Hide your neediness, it will diminish more quickly that way. Of course you don't want to throw 27 years away.

If you want his attention, hide your neediness, be mysterious. Be "out" when he calls. Get new exciting hobbies, meet new people that he doesn't know. Make him realise he could lose you. He may come round, you may then find you really don't want him so much, or he may not, in which case you have at least got a full and happy life. I wouldn't do anything to end the marriage, too soon. But do protect yourself financially. If he meets someone, he could start secreting funds away. He could fold his business to prevent you getting an order for maintenance. Make sure both homes are in joint names and be aware that some men will forge the wife's signature in order to realise funds/sell properties. He is abroad, it is very easy for him. You need to protect yourself financially. If there is any hint that he wants a divorce, get your petition in in the UK as wives get a better deal in the Uk than anywhere else. Don't let him file for divorce overseas, beat him to it if it comes to that.

Sorry if this is long and rambling. I do so understand your dilemma. It so hurts.

hangingin · 08/03/2010 15:28

Thank you ao much.Strad and Baggy you are both right. I believe he is having some kind of
mid life crisis the way he is behaving seems to be classic according to some books I have read. There is no way he would crash the business it is his obsession - he said that this was his last chance at success. But I also believe he is scared of getting old - all the people he socialises with (and they are not strictly his friends more acquantances) are all in their 30's. He apologises all the time but still continues with his behaviour. He told me yesterday he loves me but is not sure he wants to live with me as having someone around would distract him from work and he would feel he would have to come home on time. He never came home on time when working in the uk so I don't know why he thinks I would demand it now - I think he is grasping at straws.Unfortunately, I don't think I could replace him and the thought of spending the rest of my life alone is awful.

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stradivarious · 08/03/2010 15:42

oh hangingin, what to do, what to do. I feel in the same place as you actually except although my DH is in the same house, our relationship is much the same without actually saying anything IYSWIM. Its horrid and unfair and we deserve so much more. Do you have things to keep yourself busy? Of course with DC being older I guess you feel rather redundant, I know I do and that doesn't help matters either. Try, if you cant, hard as I know it will be, to try and create some emotional distance between you. Go back to the house in France for a start unless you are genuinely needed at home for the boys, try and be unavailable for a while and not take DH's phone calls. I just dont get why some people are so arsey when there is real tradgedy going on in the world. Keep posting if it helps.x

EldritchCleaver · 08/03/2010 16:00

Hangingin,
Please don't be too hard on AnyFucker. From those of her posts that I've seen, she's blunt but not uncaring.

Baggy's post was excellent: it's not so much what you choose to do next that matters as where you are in your head. I wouldn't dream of telling you whether to stay or go, and you can't ultimately decide based on internet chat with strangers.

However, I do urge you to make a choice, because staying in the limbo you are in now is distressing and could leave you even more hurt and certainly financially disadvantaged if your husband suddenly decides he is going to leave. That's why I do think 'Hang in there' is not good advice: it leaves you very dependent (practically and psychologically) on what your husband does.

The important thing is that you are content with the choice you've made and know clearly why you've made it. That way you assert control over your own destiny. I would put self-preservation before compassion, too.

Remember he probably does still love you, but ultimately love is not enough:you need respect and commitment as well.

AnyFucker · 08/03/2010 16:28

hangingin, I am not an angry person at all

what does make me feel anger though, is when I see women being treated selfishly by their partners

and those women putting up with it, because they feel they don't deserve anything better

and like eldritch said, staying in limbo like this suits only him and not you

no matter how many times you ask yourself these questions, nothing will change unless you take action...he won't change, what incentive does he have if you don't stand up for yourself as a person in your own right ?

now if you still think I am being nasty, you must be in very deep denial about what a healthy relationship should be like

stradivarious · 08/03/2010 16:37

AF, you have given me advice before and the advice you are giving here is good advice, unfortunately though when you are hurting so badly and your self esteem is at an all time low, it is very very hard to pick yourself up and do what you know needs to be done. I have yet to do it myself! However, it is good to hear from people like yourself who would not put up with any s**t.

AnyFucker · 08/03/2010 16:45

thanks stradi, I know what you are saying

it is difficult to see somebody accepting that they are a second class citizen...and rationalising why they feel powerless to do anything about it

in my world, whether you have been together 27 days or 27 years...you don't deserve to be treated like this

nobody does

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 08/03/2010 18:11

Hangingin and others - You are so wrong about Any Fucker. She cares passionately about people being treated with decency - and is one of the most compassionate posters on here. I do think she is very skilful however at challenging people in denial.

From my perspective, I'm not sure what are the motives for threads like this one - or the ones that chronicle the same issues under the guise of a variety of different name changes. Posters ask for advice, people give it time after time - and the OPs get defensive about why they actually want to maintain the status quo.

Why?

AnyFucker · 08/03/2010 18:29

thanks wwifn (your fiver is in the post...)

Karmann · 08/03/2010 18:31

Can I have a tenner please coz I think you're great! You certainly came through for me.

AnyFucker · 08/03/2010 18:38

thanks karmann (this could get expensive..)

this ain't my thread though, it's for hangingin, and although I don't feel she realises it, I have a lot of sympathy for her situation

BaggyAgy · 10/03/2010 08:45

Hi, don't let this post die, Hangingin needs lots of imput

stradivarious · 11/03/2010 16:13

Thats what I was thinking too BaggyAggy. How are you today hangingin?

stradivarious · 11/03/2010 16:14

Oops, sorry Baggy, spelt your name wrong

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