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This wasn't a normal reaction, was it?

78 replies

WastedYouth · 07/01/2010 09:42

On monday, DH had a laptop delivered. He was on it from 2pm until 8pm "setting it up" he completely and utterly ignored me this entire time. Wouldn't even answer me if I spoke to him.

I let it go.

Tuesday however was another day off. Now, he always tells me that he doesn't want me "going out" on his days off as that should be our time together ... but on Tuesday he arranged to go and see his dad (armed with the laptop)

I let it go.

He gets back in around lunch time. Outside, the trees and ground were covered in snow and it looked beautiful. I'm a keen photographer so obviously wanted to go out somewhere nice ... I asked DH where he wanted to spend the afternoon ...

His excuses for not going out included:

"It's too icey"
"it's too cold"
"We don't have enough time"
"We're running low on petrol"

He then engrosses himself in making a cake. Ignoring me completely everytime I try and strike up conversation.

He then announced:

"oh, just remembered, can't go out anyway, I'm having some laptop accessories delivered"

So, feeling a bit fed up, bored and lonely I text my friend to see if I could pop around for an hour ... I then went upstairs to get ready.

DH followed me and asked what I was doing. I said "Just popping out for an hour"

Then, this happened:

him: "What?? where too???"
me: "Friends house"
him: "what friend??"
me: "Mel"
him: "Why?"
me: "because I'm bored and I want some company!"
him: "oh! that's nice, you going out on my day off, thanks very much"
me: "You've been out!! and it's not as if you're talking to me or even acknowledging that I exist at the moment!"
him: "I've been busy!"
me: "Playing on a laptop?"
him: "well, I've finished with that now ... I'll talk to you now, I have nothing else to do"
me: "oh!! thanks!! lovely"
him: "I didn't mean it like that, don't twist my words"
me: "look, I'll only be an hour or so"
him: "but I thought you wanted US to go out?"
me: "I did! but you said we can't!"
him: "I'll get the parcel delivered next door ... come on, where shall we go?"
me: "no, I've already arranged something now"
him: "oh! so you're telling me you've arranged this in the past 5 minutes?? yeah right! there is something not quite right here, you never wanted to go out with me originally did you?? you had this planned all along!"
me: "It's no bloody conspiracy!! I just want to go out for an hour!"
him: "So come out with me"

Anyway ... this went on and on, he then offered to "drop me off and pick me up" from Mels ... obviously not believing that I was actually going there and he then blurted out "OH, And I won't be happy if you come back stinking of smoke either!!"

I know the answer to this already I suppose, but this isn't a normal reaction to a wife popping to a friend's for an hour is it??

OP posts:
YanknCock · 07/01/2010 13:08

OP, I read your post out to my DH, and before I'd even got to the end he was saying 'control freak' and 'prick'. I agree.

Just wanted to add another set of voices to the chorus of 'no, it's not normal'.

WastedYouth · 07/01/2010 13:51

oh he doesn't like me getting a bath either as it leaves him on his own If I'm not sat in the living room all night, he insists I'm in a mood!

Another thing he said to me was that if either of us were to go on a night out without the other, it's normal for the other one to go and pick them up no matter what time of night it is.

I thought it was normal to just jump in a taxi??!

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/01/2010 13:58

wastedyouth,

re your comment:-

"Another thing he said to me was that if either of us were to go on a night out without the other, it's normal for the other one to go and pick them up no matter what time of night it is".

I thought it was normal to just jump in a taxi??!

Yes it is indeed normal to just jump into a taxi. Doubtless he would expect you to drop everything to collect him at 2am or some unearthy hour and moan at you if you did not do such bidding.

Sounds like he wants to keep you in a gilded cage of his own making but it is still a cage all the same.

You may want to read "Why does he do that?" written by Lundy Bancroft. Such men do not change their controlling behaviours. You need to be aware as well that controlling behaviours like this are also abusive ones too. This is not good either for you or for any children you have to be witness to.

Badinfluence · 07/01/2010 14:02

WastedYouth, the sitting in the same room thing drove me mental, living in each others pockets to that extent just isn't normal!!! But if you're H is like my X getting him to see that is totally impossible.

And yes, it is normal to jump in a taxi after a night out.

thumbwitch · 07/01/2010 14:03

wastedyouth, come on - how long have you been with him? HAs he just started this sort of thing or has it been ongoing for a while now?

Re. your point about taxis etc. - my DH, bless him, used to go out with mates and get stupid drunk and then phone me to go and pick him up when he couldn't get a taxi. After he'd done that a couple of times, I used to switch all the phones to silent when ever he'd gone out on a binge. Sometimes he had to walk home! He doesn't drink now, btw.

He would pick me up if it were pre-arranged and we knew I wouldn't be able to get a taxi with anyone else (neither of us were particularly happy about me getting a taxi by myself, paranoid) but I wouldn't have stood a cat's chance in hell of getting him out of his bed if he thought I was ok for getting home and it fell through! He wouldn't have heard the phone.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2010 17:08

You are married to my ex, no?

So many similarities, even down to the pathetic attempts to bake (but he never followed a recipe because rules are for Other People, so everything he ever tried failed spectacularly). At least I had a car of my own, but you are stuck without any way of getting out under your own steam. He has you where he wants you, WastedYouth.

I wouldn't bother trying to fix this; he has already ruined one relationship -- obviously he chose to keep on being himself over the objections of his ex-wife, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to have any kind of epiphany about his behaviour.

Time to call the ex wife and have a long chat with her.

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 07/01/2010 17:14

This sounds awful.

You do have choices though - talk to him and make it clear it isn't on and if it was to happen again X will happen.
Or, you do and say nothing but don't be surprised if it happens again.
Leave. Drastic but effective.

Lulumama · 07/01/2010 17:24

i'd be totally concerned he won't even let you take a bath, as it leaves him on his own

frightening

everyone needs their own space

i would be having a Serious Talk

he controls what happens, by only talking to you when he wants and letting you go out when he choooses

this is very bad.

as others have said more eloquently

if i say to DH i'm popping out to see a friend, even if it's 4 in the afternoon, he'll say, see you tomorrow ... you are an adult in your own right and can see friends etc

this in conjunciton with what his ex says makes the blood run cold

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 07/01/2010 17:45

Hello lulumama! Haven't seen you on here for aaaaaaaaaageeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

Lulumama · 07/01/2010 18:59

hi fab, i've been around, lurking more than posting

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 07/01/2010 19:29
Smile
QueenofWhatever · 07/01/2010 20:13

Yes, to bath, same room, computer, going out, takeaways, I'm such a nice guy, you're so mean etc., etc. Luckily the man is now my ex. I also wasn't allowed to put bags in the car because I didn't know how to do it right (but I was allowed to do all the shopping at Sainsburys on my own).

Another recommendation for the Lundy Bancroft book. Personally I'm not convinced you can really nip this stuff in the bud, it just becomes an endless battle where you are watching your back and being hypervigilant. Exhausting and very bad for your health.

kettlechip · 07/01/2010 20:26

Agree with QueenofWhatever, it's very wearing, and got much worse over time ime. Also a Lundy devotee after recommendations on here. (I bet he's minted after all of us have bought his book!!)

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 07/01/2010 20:33

Being with someone should be fun and mostly easy..

Badinfluence · 07/01/2010 21:06

I second that Fab, my new DP is so lovely. I don't have to think about how I'm behaving around him, I am just me. After 15 years with a control freak, worrying if I was saying the right thing or doing stuff the 'right' way it's such a relief

almondfinger · 07/01/2010 21:24

How long have you been married? Do you have children together? If not - run!

He likes to sit in the car to have his lunch. Says it all really. He's a freak!

Janos · 07/01/2010 21:34

As another poster with a controlling ex (there are lots of us it seems)..I have no new advice to add to what has already been said really but I absolutely agree that he will not get better, he'll just get worse.

And don't make the mistake of thinking you can manage his behaviour. That path will just lead to exhaustion and misery as you are constantly treading on eggshells, watching what you say and do and wondering why it is you feel so bloody miserable, not quite feeling sure why...

GypsyMoth · 07/01/2010 21:37

op.....you know its not good. what are your plans now?

Badinfluence · 07/01/2010 21:39

I've only found this site recently and am amazed at how many of us have been through this. I wished I'd known about this site years ago, it may have helped me realise that his behaviour wasn't normal and I wasn't being oversensitive and neurotic.

Janos, that last paragraph describes how I felt exactly!

tiredoftherain · 07/01/2010 21:51

Janos' description explains where I got to. It got to the extent that I became a real butterfingers around him, dropping things when I was cooking, spilling milk etc. He just made me feel on edge. In the end I didn't dare start a conversation without first considering whether he'd approve of where it might lead. Wtf? In the end I realised I couldn't change myself any more to accommodate him, he was just totally unreasonable, and I had a lot of friends who liked me for who I am, so why the hell shouldn't he?

It's lovely being free of that now.

Janos · 07/01/2010 21:56

Yeah, I felt like that for a long time, Badinfluence. Now I'm out of the situation I can see exactly why I felt that way, but it isn't so easy when you're in the middle of it.

Debs75 · 07/01/2010 22:02

my friends ex used to get annoyed if she read the paper when they were in the same room. Every time she turned the page he would dramatically sigh. If she put the paper down to watch tv or talk to him he would be asleep within minutes.

My dad was so jealous of my mum going to a works only christmas party when they were dating that the next year he got her pregnant so she couldn't go.
That is controlling and it got worse from there.
They had been married a few months and she got rushed to hospital, she asked him to get some clothes and he found her savings for said baby. He didn't mention it but a month later he told her he had to fix the car and did she have any money. She told him yes he borrowed it promising to give it back but never did.
Looking back my mum knows she was naive, she just didn't believe he could be so controlling or nasty. They divorced 15 years later and he has ruined her trust in other men completely.

Janos · 07/01/2010 22:04

It's an awful feeling...and the worse thing is that's how they want you to feel, miserable, ground down, trying to please them, scared to make a decision, scared to cause offence, scared of your own shadow almost.

A lot of the controlling behaviours these men use are the same. It's really scary.

Badinfluence · 07/01/2010 22:06

One of the hardest things was trying to explain to people why I was leaving him. Unless you've been in this sort of relationship it's so hard to understand the dynamics and how bloody wearing it is.

Janos · 07/01/2010 22:10

You aren't kidding Badinfluence!

I've lost count of the times I've tried to explain what it was like to people and then they look at you with that 'wtf?' expression.

It really does help to talk to other women who have been there. MN is invaluable in that respect I think.

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