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Please help, where do I go from here? If indeed you think I should go anywhere

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OnYGo · 13/09/2009 17:21

DH and I haven?t been getting on particularly well for a long time now, we haven?t been at each other?s throats but nor have we had a loving relationship. Basically we just haven?t made time for each other, haven?t been affectionate with each other and, really, haven?t been a couple.
A few weeks ago he announced that he wanted to leave. I persuaded him to talk, we realised that really we wanted the same things (a secure happy family unit) and agreed to both make an effort to improve our relationship.

Things were greatly improved for a while, then one day about 2 weeks ago he came home and told me he?d been looking at the nhs choices website and he thought I should get the implanon (one of the main reasons he has been holding back emotionally is because I want more children and he doesn?t). I agreed to look into it, said I?d look at all the options, talk to my sister who has it to find out more but I?d prefer not to do it immediately because I had only just stopped breastfeeding my youngest and wanted 2 or 3 months before I put more hormones into my body (I have reacted badly to the pill before). I made it very clear that I would get some kind of contraception after a) I?d had a chance to look at all the options in more depth and b) after no more than a couple of months of not being either pregnant or breastfeeding (my dc are very close together so have been one or the other for the past 4 years). He then said ok I?ll make you the appointment to get it tomorrow . I explained again that no I wanted a proper chance to research it and reiterated that I wasn?t refusing to get it, just it wouldn?t be immediately.

After that he stopped making any effort again, then on Tuesday as he was leaving for work his parting words were ?oh by the way I?m seeing the doctor to get a vasectomy today seeing as you haven?t done what I asked? then slammed the door.

Late morning I came down with a very bad d&v bug and was vomiting all afternoon to the extent that I fainted twice. DD called him to tell him that ?mummy is sick and sleeping with her head in the toilet? (I?d already phoned him to tell him I was ill and that I?d blacked out) and he called back an hour later to see if I was better before agreeing he?d come home. He eventually arrived home half an hour earlier than usual, so basically my three year old and one year old were unattended all afternoon because I was passed out in the bathroom and he still expected me to take care of them. (His job is very flexible so he could have come earlier without any trouble)

Wednesday morning he sent the dc in to me at 7am and expected me to get them dressed, breakfast while he got himself ready. He did this without even asking how I was. I managed to get dd dressed but the smell of ds? nappy sent me straight to the bathroom again and I then felt very dizzy again so lay back down. He came back in and said ?oh haven?t you give them breakfast yet?? took them downstairs, fed them, dropped dd at preschool then went to work.

Wednesday evening he went to the pub with a neighbour came home around 11.30 then said he felt sick at around 1am. He was sick once then went back to sleep. I meanwhile got up to ds twice, dd once and had to clean his sick from all over the bathroom where he had somehow sprayed it everywhere. All this while still feeling very ill and being extremely dizzy and weak.

Thursday morning he felt much better so went to work though he did come home a bit early feeling sick. I felt sorry for him because I knew how ill I had been feeling and how awful it was so fetched him drinks, toast etc as well as looking after dc and doing some basic housework. I got up four times to dc in the night then got up with ds at 6.30.

I was finally not feeling sick on Friday morning (though exhausted) so didn?t really mind getting up but when it got to 10.30 I started to feel a bit pissed off that he was still lying in bed. When he came downstairs I said (yes, sarcastically)?enjoy your lie in?? and he started yelling and swearing at me saying ?aren?t I allowed to have a lie in to recover? I?m still feeling sick you know, didn?t I do everything around the house on Tuesday evening when you were sick? Are you telling me I didn?t help out?? Trying to calm things down I said ?yes you did, I really appreciate what you did, I only meant that I haven?t had a chance to lie in and recover myself, I wasn?t having a go at you, I?m just tired and jealous? A bit later on he sat dd up on the kitchen worktop, she kicked her feet and smashed my mixing bowls onto the floor. As I went in to clear it up he lifted dd down from the side and put her on the floor. I yelled ?don?t put her on the floor she?ll cut her feet? wiped off dd?s feet then carried on sweeping it up. Then I asked dh to make sure he wiped his feet before going out of the kitchen to make sure he didn?t walk any shards through the house. He walked through the house before wiping his feet, I muttered something along the lines of ?or you could just ignore me? and hoovered where he?d walked. He came right up in my face and yelled that he hated me and that it was over. I felt physically threatened at this point.

A few minutes later he came upstairs, on the phone to the letting agent, telling them that our marriage had broken down and enquiring about getting out of our lease early. I thought maybe he was faking the call so went and asked him if he had really been speaking to them. He said yes and I asked why he had done that without us at least discussing things. He said he had nothing to say to me and that he had made his decision and I just had to take it. He then yelled again that he hated me.

I quickly put nappies for ds, our toothbrushes and a couple of other bits in a bag and walked out with the dc. I didn?t know where I was going or even if I was staying out but just had to get away. He then came to the door and yelled ?thanks for taking my kids away from me on my day off, I will never forgive you for this?. Both dc started crying for daddy and I was feeling such a mess that i didn?t even know where I was going plus I realised that by walking I was as bad as him so I went back.

During the course of the day I asked him several times to talk to me, each time he said he didn?t want to talk about it and his mind was made up so there was no point. I asked if he really meant it and he said did I think he would joke about something like that, I said no but I wondered if it was just a reaction and he would change his mind once he?d had a chance to talk about it. He laughed and said if i thought that I was crazy and that it was a ridiculous suggestion.

He went out that night and feeling very alone and needing some support and advice I text a couple of my closest friends and my sister to tell them that he wanted to leave. ALL of them replied saying they were sorry and giving suggestions of how to get him to talk to me. They all said they hoped it wasn?t final.

Yesterday I asked again if he was ready to talk. He said it wasn?t a case of being ready but he had nothing to say but I could talk if I wanted. All the time I was talking he avoided looking at me and stared at the tv. In the end I asked him to please look at me because I found it really difficult to talk to him when he wasn?t looking at me and I thought it was actually quite disrespectful. He said that was why we had no future because I treated him like a child. I said that i didn?t consciously do that and sorry if the way I spoke made him think that. He still didn?t make eye contact. I felt like everything I was saying he was twisting back to be my fault eg I didn?t feel like we had had equal chance to recover from our illness, it?s my fault for not showing him I appreciated him helping; I felt like he was bullying me into getting the implant, my fault for not just going and getting it etc. We finally agreed that it was worth giving it another chance and the rest of the afternoon passed fairly quietly. I got dinner ready and me and the dc sat down waiting for dh to come and join us. After about 5 minutes he stormed in and shouted ?I see you told all your friends what happened, I looked through your phone, why did you do that, how dare you tell them, it?s none of their business. I never want to see any of them again? . DS started crying so I picked him up and dh said see you don?t even have an excuse, you know you were completely unreasonable. I said that no I didn?t think it was wrong to tell a few friends that my husband wanted to leave me and that i had turned to them for support when something life changing happened to me. He then went to storm out raised his fist and said get out of my way before I hit you (I was still holding ds). As he left he called ?Now you?ve made me shout and swear in front of the kids and I said I?d never do that and it?s all your fault?.
All morning he completely blanked me then this afternoon I got him to talk to me and he basically says that it is my fault, he does x because I say y, he does z because I?ve done a etc. He says even if we do stay together he never wants to see any of my friends or my sister again. We are supposed to all be going on a family holiday next month but he says he isn?t going and if I go he knows I?ll just be telling them everything about him . He thinks I completely overreacted to tell anyone, whatever he says to me now he knows he is really saying to all my friends. When I tried to explain to him that I don?t tell them about every argument we have but that to me him leaving me was different he just cut me off and said that i should have known he hadn?t fully decided and that I have humiliated him and made him feel naked. He is now back to ignoring me and I know he is fully capable of keeping it up for months, after dd was born he didn?t speak to me for almost a year other than to ask how she?d been that day, if I?d been to m&t, if we?d had dinner etc-so conversation yes, but no real communication.

So where do I go from here? On the one hand, I don?t want to break our family up, on the other I can?t see us ever being happy together unless things majorly change. I?m sick of being blamed for everything and it always being my fault.

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claraquack · 24/09/2009 15:00

OnYgo, that's great, I am very proud of you for taking these steps. Just don't lose momentum! Have you thought about preschools etc - worth finding out what's available in the areas you are thinking of moving to and putting dd's name down. I say this because when we had to move back from Pakistan so suddenly it was really hard to find a place for her with such short notice.

Victorian conversions often have larger rooms so hopefully something suitable will become available.

cheerfulvicky · 24/09/2009 15:33

Good for you OnYGo, sounds like you are making progress.
As far as I know yes, you can get child tax credit. I did as a single SAHM. You can also check what you can realistically get at entitledto, you probably already know the site but posting the link just in case, and it may help others in your situation.

mathanxiety · 24/09/2009 17:23

He has completely checked out of your relationship. He did this after your DC was born. He really does sound unhinged, with all the blaming and shouting. He has serious emotional problems, imo. Please go to counseling for yourself, and read Why Does He Do That, by Lundy Bancroft. Your DCs do not need this dangerous man in their lives.

Doctorskidaddle · 25/09/2009 13:52

well done OnyGo - sounds like you are making real progress. Re 2 beds, could you get bunk beds and put both DC in a single room and you in a double? I'm sure they would relish the idea of bunk beds although it would of course be an extra expense.

What is your living situation now? Are you and your H both in the house? Are you communicating at all? Have you told him you want him/you to leave? As Buzzy says staying with your sister until you find somewhre sounds like a good idea - or you can always come for a little mini-break chez-moi in Oxford!

Keep going, you're doing brilliantly, and we're all here for any help/advice you need x

TishTosh21 · 25/09/2009 15:12

Im sorry but after reading the whole thing i couldnt not comment. This man is a bully, has threatened you with violence and is mentally abusing you. This is no foundation for a healthy relationship. I can understand you dont want to take the kids away from their father but i think in this case you may have to. What if he gets worse in the future? when your kids are grown up and gone he might not think twice about being violent towards you with no witnesses.
He works in mental health, therefore knows what hes doing psychologically to you, he knows how to mess with your mind and make you believe something you said or did was your fault.
You should not be with such a manipulative man.

CelticStarlight · 27/09/2009 04:48

OP, you've been given some great advice on here and I agree with most of the other contributing posters that your OH sounds unpleasant and on the verge of violence. You are not overreacting about his behaviour, it is completely abnormal - particularly the fact that he did not talk to you for a year after your baby was born and that he wants to almost force you into have the implanon contraceptive.

Well done for taking the steps you have taken so far, I think you know that you are now on the long road to a happier life.

As for your first post, I found it completely understandable and easy to follow.I don't really know why you were reprimanded about your posting style when you were clearly looking for help and support.

OnYGo · 28/09/2009 12:56

Argh my head is in a real mess today. He went out for a walk last night then came home and gave me a hug, said he was sick of always being miserable and negative, he's missed me the past couple of weeks, wants us to be happy together...

I'm just so confused. A big part of me is thinking that we should give it another shot- it's what most of my friends and family are saying I should do- we have two dc together, we made a commitment to be together. But then we've been trying again and again and we always end up in the same place-no real communication, me feeling exhausted and worn down by it all, feeling like I have no emotional support from him

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Doctorskidaddle · 28/09/2009 15:49

Hey OnYGo,

You poor thing - this must be completely wrecking your head. Obviously I don't want to tell you what to do but my instinct is to say that you should still leave. This doesn't mean that it has to be forever - if he can prove that he can change and will work with you to make the relationship a success and that he can convince you that he will not bully, threaten you or worse, then it might be only a temporary separation. But as you say this has happened a number of times now and I think he has to prove himself.

You obviously love him and want this to work and of course there is nothing wrong with that. But I think if it is to work it is going to take a lot of effort and a lot of talking, not just a quick hug. His behaviour has been completely unacceptable and he needs to acknowledge this if you are going to move on from this.

That is my gut instinct anyway - what do you think?

buzzybee · 29/09/2009 08:09

OnYGo, having read all your posts I have to agree with DrSkid - I really think you need a period apart. Call it a trial separation if that helps. Apart from anything else it will give you the confidence to know that you can do it alone - i.e. so that you can make an informed choice. Maybe I'm too cynical but are you sure this is not just another attempt to play on your emotions?

claraquack · 29/09/2009 14:25

OnYgo - I immediately thought what Skid said, I think you should still move out but if he is really serious about wanting to stay together then that is something he will need to work with you on. Once you have moved away from him and are living indepently, you will get a lot of your self confidence back. From there, you can decide whether you want to try and continue with the relationship or not. Although this time it should be on your terms. If he does not think this is a reasonable idea, then it is him who is not being reasonable. You are in a position of strength at the moment, although it may not seem like it. I hope you continue to find that strength to do the right thing.

spiralqueen · 30/09/2009 22:01

OnYGo - the good Dr Skid is indeed a wise woman and if I were in your shoes I would be following her advice. Buzzy and I were obviously thinking the same thing about him playing with your emotions. As one of the other posters said at the end of the day he works in mental health and will know exactly what buttons to push to get a reaction.

Get yourself some breathing space - it will give you a whole new perspective.

Tske care

DrSkidaddle · 02/10/2009 21:42

why thank you SQ that is definitely the first time anyone has ever called me wise

how are you doing OnYGo? If you have decided to give it another go, please don't be afraid to tell us thinking we will all come down on you like madwomen! I'm sure you will get a lot of support whatever you decide to do next

OnYGo · 02/10/2009 21:54

It's tricky at the moment, after my last post I realised that the happy ending was just a fantasy, reminded myself how many times we have been here before, how shit I feel everytime it goes bad again. So, in my head I am still out of the relationship but he is being mostly very nice to me, trying to be affectionate etc.

Also he had to fill in a mental health wellbeing questionnaire at work and scored so high (high being bad) that he has been put on a course including CBT, anger management and counselling. At least that will hopefully help his relationship with the dc in the future.

My original thinking was to spend the next couple of months putting everything in place to leave and then go in the xmas holiday (he was also meant to be going home then so would have been easier, if a little cowardly). He isn't going now as left it too long to book and it is too expensive so will need to rethink that part.

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spiralqueen · 05/10/2009 17:01

OnYGo Has the results of his questionnaire reinforced everyone's comments to you about his behaviour? How has he reacted to it?

From the DC's point of view would it be a good idea to leave him at Xmas? I know a couple who chose Xmas to announce their divorce to their kids and ever since Xmas has had unhappy memories for them.

macdoodle · 05/10/2009 19:35

OnYGo so sorry but this a complete mindfuck!
It is the typical pattern - he realises he has pushed you too far, throws you some crumbs, you see a glimmer of the man you love and so it continues on and on until you are totally worn down
Dont do it,dont keep waiting for the right time - god I did that so many times !
I truly know how very hard it is but it will be better when you leave, and he MAY even be a better parent when you are apart!

OnYGo · 06/10/2009 14:55

Mind fuck it certainly is Macdoodle!

SQ I hadn't even considered that, suppose I was assuming they were too young for the date to worry them...It wouldn't be xmas day or anything but I see your point. I was thinking more in terms of dd not having to miss any preschool (she loves it) and being able to complete the term at dancing & toddlers etc, particlarly as I'd prefer to move area.

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DrSkidaddle · 07/10/2009 10:42

gosh Xmas is a long time to wait - can you bear to continue living under the same roof as him until then? Will moving to a different area mean that DD will have to change schools or could you keep taking her there anyway? Is the new area nearer to friends/family? I suppose term ends mid-December so that is only 2 months away - long enough to get everything organised. I would just worry that the longer you leave it the more the impetus to actually go will fade and he will be able to talk you round.

FWIW my parents split up on Xmas day and everyone in our family hates Xmas now. However I am almost sure that had it been even a week before or after the bad association would not be there. Your DS especially will surely be too young to remember?

buzzybee · 25/10/2009 09:32

How are you getting on OnYGo?

DrSkidaddle · 30/10/2009 17:26

was just about to ask the same - has anything else happened? Are you still planning to leave?

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