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Please help, where do I go from here? If indeed you think I should go anywhere

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OnYGo · 13/09/2009 17:21

DH and I haven?t been getting on particularly well for a long time now, we haven?t been at each other?s throats but nor have we had a loving relationship. Basically we just haven?t made time for each other, haven?t been affectionate with each other and, really, haven?t been a couple.
A few weeks ago he announced that he wanted to leave. I persuaded him to talk, we realised that really we wanted the same things (a secure happy family unit) and agreed to both make an effort to improve our relationship.

Things were greatly improved for a while, then one day about 2 weeks ago he came home and told me he?d been looking at the nhs choices website and he thought I should get the implanon (one of the main reasons he has been holding back emotionally is because I want more children and he doesn?t). I agreed to look into it, said I?d look at all the options, talk to my sister who has it to find out more but I?d prefer not to do it immediately because I had only just stopped breastfeeding my youngest and wanted 2 or 3 months before I put more hormones into my body (I have reacted badly to the pill before). I made it very clear that I would get some kind of contraception after a) I?d had a chance to look at all the options in more depth and b) after no more than a couple of months of not being either pregnant or breastfeeding (my dc are very close together so have been one or the other for the past 4 years). He then said ok I?ll make you the appointment to get it tomorrow . I explained again that no I wanted a proper chance to research it and reiterated that I wasn?t refusing to get it, just it wouldn?t be immediately.

After that he stopped making any effort again, then on Tuesday as he was leaving for work his parting words were ?oh by the way I?m seeing the doctor to get a vasectomy today seeing as you haven?t done what I asked? then slammed the door.

Late morning I came down with a very bad d&v bug and was vomiting all afternoon to the extent that I fainted twice. DD called him to tell him that ?mummy is sick and sleeping with her head in the toilet? (I?d already phoned him to tell him I was ill and that I?d blacked out) and he called back an hour later to see if I was better before agreeing he?d come home. He eventually arrived home half an hour earlier than usual, so basically my three year old and one year old were unattended all afternoon because I was passed out in the bathroom and he still expected me to take care of them. (His job is very flexible so he could have come earlier without any trouble)

Wednesday morning he sent the dc in to me at 7am and expected me to get them dressed, breakfast while he got himself ready. He did this without even asking how I was. I managed to get dd dressed but the smell of ds? nappy sent me straight to the bathroom again and I then felt very dizzy again so lay back down. He came back in and said ?oh haven?t you give them breakfast yet?? took them downstairs, fed them, dropped dd at preschool then went to work.

Wednesday evening he went to the pub with a neighbour came home around 11.30 then said he felt sick at around 1am. He was sick once then went back to sleep. I meanwhile got up to ds twice, dd once and had to clean his sick from all over the bathroom where he had somehow sprayed it everywhere. All this while still feeling very ill and being extremely dizzy and weak.

Thursday morning he felt much better so went to work though he did come home a bit early feeling sick. I felt sorry for him because I knew how ill I had been feeling and how awful it was so fetched him drinks, toast etc as well as looking after dc and doing some basic housework. I got up four times to dc in the night then got up with ds at 6.30.

I was finally not feeling sick on Friday morning (though exhausted) so didn?t really mind getting up but when it got to 10.30 I started to feel a bit pissed off that he was still lying in bed. When he came downstairs I said (yes, sarcastically)?enjoy your lie in?? and he started yelling and swearing at me saying ?aren?t I allowed to have a lie in to recover? I?m still feeling sick you know, didn?t I do everything around the house on Tuesday evening when you were sick? Are you telling me I didn?t help out?? Trying to calm things down I said ?yes you did, I really appreciate what you did, I only meant that I haven?t had a chance to lie in and recover myself, I wasn?t having a go at you, I?m just tired and jealous? A bit later on he sat dd up on the kitchen worktop, she kicked her feet and smashed my mixing bowls onto the floor. As I went in to clear it up he lifted dd down from the side and put her on the floor. I yelled ?don?t put her on the floor she?ll cut her feet? wiped off dd?s feet then carried on sweeping it up. Then I asked dh to make sure he wiped his feet before going out of the kitchen to make sure he didn?t walk any shards through the house. He walked through the house before wiping his feet, I muttered something along the lines of ?or you could just ignore me? and hoovered where he?d walked. He came right up in my face and yelled that he hated me and that it was over. I felt physically threatened at this point.

A few minutes later he came upstairs, on the phone to the letting agent, telling them that our marriage had broken down and enquiring about getting out of our lease early. I thought maybe he was faking the call so went and asked him if he had really been speaking to them. He said yes and I asked why he had done that without us at least discussing things. He said he had nothing to say to me and that he had made his decision and I just had to take it. He then yelled again that he hated me.

I quickly put nappies for ds, our toothbrushes and a couple of other bits in a bag and walked out with the dc. I didn?t know where I was going or even if I was staying out but just had to get away. He then came to the door and yelled ?thanks for taking my kids away from me on my day off, I will never forgive you for this?. Both dc started crying for daddy and I was feeling such a mess that i didn?t even know where I was going plus I realised that by walking I was as bad as him so I went back.

During the course of the day I asked him several times to talk to me, each time he said he didn?t want to talk about it and his mind was made up so there was no point. I asked if he really meant it and he said did I think he would joke about something like that, I said no but I wondered if it was just a reaction and he would change his mind once he?d had a chance to talk about it. He laughed and said if i thought that I was crazy and that it was a ridiculous suggestion.

He went out that night and feeling very alone and needing some support and advice I text a couple of my closest friends and my sister to tell them that he wanted to leave. ALL of them replied saying they were sorry and giving suggestions of how to get him to talk to me. They all said they hoped it wasn?t final.

Yesterday I asked again if he was ready to talk. He said it wasn?t a case of being ready but he had nothing to say but I could talk if I wanted. All the time I was talking he avoided looking at me and stared at the tv. In the end I asked him to please look at me because I found it really difficult to talk to him when he wasn?t looking at me and I thought it was actually quite disrespectful. He said that was why we had no future because I treated him like a child. I said that i didn?t consciously do that and sorry if the way I spoke made him think that. He still didn?t make eye contact. I felt like everything I was saying he was twisting back to be my fault eg I didn?t feel like we had had equal chance to recover from our illness, it?s my fault for not showing him I appreciated him helping; I felt like he was bullying me into getting the implant, my fault for not just going and getting it etc. We finally agreed that it was worth giving it another chance and the rest of the afternoon passed fairly quietly. I got dinner ready and me and the dc sat down waiting for dh to come and join us. After about 5 minutes he stormed in and shouted ?I see you told all your friends what happened, I looked through your phone, why did you do that, how dare you tell them, it?s none of their business. I never want to see any of them again? . DS started crying so I picked him up and dh said see you don?t even have an excuse, you know you were completely unreasonable. I said that no I didn?t think it was wrong to tell a few friends that my husband wanted to leave me and that i had turned to them for support when something life changing happened to me. He then went to storm out raised his fist and said get out of my way before I hit you (I was still holding ds). As he left he called ?Now you?ve made me shout and swear in front of the kids and I said I?d never do that and it?s all your fault?.
All morning he completely blanked me then this afternoon I got him to talk to me and he basically says that it is my fault, he does x because I say y, he does z because I?ve done a etc. He says even if we do stay together he never wants to see any of my friends or my sister again. We are supposed to all be going on a family holiday next month but he says he isn?t going and if I go he knows I?ll just be telling them everything about him . He thinks I completely overreacted to tell anyone, whatever he says to me now he knows he is really saying to all my friends. When I tried to explain to him that I don?t tell them about every argument we have but that to me him leaving me was different he just cut me off and said that i should have known he hadn?t fully decided and that I have humiliated him and made him feel naked. He is now back to ignoring me and I know he is fully capable of keeping it up for months, after dd was born he didn?t speak to me for almost a year other than to ask how she?d been that day, if I?d been to m&t, if we?d had dinner etc-so conversation yes, but no real communication.

So where do I go from here? On the one hand, I don?t want to break our family up, on the other I can?t see us ever being happy together unless things majorly change. I?m sick of being blamed for everything and it always being my fault.

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mrsboogie · 13/09/2009 17:58

has he always been such an arse? he sounds like a spoilt brat who is jealous of his own kids.

He is an aggressive bully who shouts and screams at the mother of his children - how is that a good dad?

really, just tell him to go. Next time he has one of his tantrums just say "ok you win its over". You can get another nice rented house which will be all he nicer for him not being in it.

I'm sorry but you sound like a doormat. You can't carry on tiptoeing round him and letting him away with this appalling behaviour. You are teaching your children that that is how relationships are meant to be. He should know that but I guess he is too self centred to care.

cheerfulvicky · 13/09/2009 17:59

I read the whole thing. I don't think it was anecdotal, I think you told the truth and included everything that was relevant!

So, let me get this straight:

He has shouted in your face that he hates you.
He blames you for all the problems in the relationship.
He threatened to hit you and then tried to blame you for HIS loss of control.
He tried to bully you into getting a contraceptive implant when you didn't want to.
He left you to care for the children when you were so ill you blacked out, thus leaving them unattended.
He is trying to isolate you from sources of support like family, by saying he wants nothing more to do with them.
He became very angry when you told people about his behaviour.

Love, why are you still with him? He sounds like a very very angry controlling nutter and I would be removing myself and the children from him as soon as possible if I was in your situation. I hope you can also get some real life support as you decide what to do. Do NOT, under any circumstances, let him attempt to come between you and people who might help you. And I would suggest reading Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men because I am almost certain you will find your husband within its pages.
Loads of luck to you. x

BalloonSlayer · 13/09/2009 18:01

Seeing their father screaming in their mother's face that he hates her and shaking his fist in her face would upset them more.

What is he like with them when they wind him up, as all DCs do to their parents once in a while? I'd be worried for this as he doesn't seem to be able to take ownership/responsibility for his own anger. "I am only angry because YOU [insert bullshit here."

I'd worry as when you have small DCs, on a bad day you do overreact to their neediness, and you need to be able to understand that it's not them, it's you, and take steps to calm yourself down. He doesn't seem to be a bloke who would find that easy.

OnYGo · 13/09/2009 18:01

I am surprised so many of you are using words such as bully, abusive etc. I thought I was overreacting

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BalloonSlayer · 13/09/2009 18:03

I think you are underreacting.

OnYGo · 13/09/2009 18:07

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin. Ideally I'd like to go back to the SE, where I went to university and where all my friends live. I cannot see any way of that being possible though.

I am feeling completely and utterly useless. I don't have a job(sahm), I can't drive

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travellingwilbury · 13/09/2009 18:10

OnYGo , what did your sister and your friends say when you told them he was thinking of leaving ?

Do you think in all honesty that they would be upset to see the back of him ?

FanjolinaJolie · 13/09/2009 18:11

Great post, cheerfulvicky. Very succinct.

Don't you see OnYGo what he is doing to you??

colditz · 13/09/2009 18:11

You feel useless because you are being abused and treated as though you are useless.

How would you feel if one of your children went on to have a relationship in which they were treated as you are? because (and I hate myself for saying this, but it's true) youu are showing them that this is how we live.

fuzzywuzzy · 13/09/2009 18:11

Why is everything all your fault?

What was he doing checking your phone, does he do it often?

He had decided he was going to leave you and didn't want to discuss it, you needed help to figure out a way to save your marriage.

Would you consider a trial seperation? And counselling on your own?

Btw very curious, did he go for a consultation to get a vesectomy, or was he trying to emotionally blackmail you into rushing your decision about which contraception to use?

OnYGo · 13/09/2009 18:13

I'm not disappearing but he will be home in a minute so I will try to log on later.

Thank you all for taking the time to read through the OP and for your comments and advice. Please keep it coming if you can bear to

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colditz · 13/09/2009 18:13

womens aid

You have PLENTY of reason to phone them. They will tell you exactly what you can safely and legally do next, and how to do it, and they will help you enormously if you let them.

Your life sounds shit, tbh. Don't you deserve more?

Pielight · 13/09/2009 18:17

I think you deserve more than this too.

But I don't think you are over-reacting, but I also don't think he sounds abusive as such - but he does sound unhappy and guilty.

I also think he wants to finish your marriage, but can't quite bring himself to do it - he feels too guilty, even though he's unhappy. He sounds furious - and caught - which is why it's easier for him to blame you for everything, and twist your words and blame you for making him feel the way he does. He's behaving like that bad sixth form boyfriend who doesn't call because he wants you to finish the relationship.

If it were me, I'd cut him loose. Why don't you say, 'look, you're miserable, you are making me miserable, this is v. stressful and dysfunctional. Go away for a bit, let's clear our heads.'

He can find a sofa to sleep on. Then make some decisions about your futures.

grownupbabes · 13/09/2009 18:22

Regarding the house - he CANNOT ring the estate agent and get out of your lease just because he doesn't want to pay for you and the children to live there.
This is nothing to do with tenancy law - this is family law. You have rights to the matrimonial home EVEN IF IT IS RENTED and he has responsibilities to provide for it. You cannot be evicted by him.
Go to Citizens Advice tomorrow morning and get clear in yourself as to what your rights are in respect of a roof over your head.

Don't stay with this hideous bully. I prolonged my desperate emotionally abusive marriage for years and years simply because I didn't realise I had any rights to a home and financial support. Don't let him do that to you.

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Pielight · 13/09/2009 18:24

I think he's on the verge too. Get him out.

countingto10 · 13/09/2009 18:37

Could I suggest Relate (just for you if he won't go) - I can't recommend them highly enough. Me and my DH were in meltdown six months ago with him having an affair being the "tin hat" on it. We had 4DSs (3 in less than 5 years), business and financial problems plus 2 DSs with SNs. It was a volcano and we were errupting. Our arguments were each of us reflecting the other, mirroring each other.

We needed a neutral third party to help us understand what was happening, why it was happening and how to stop both of our self-destructive and, quite frankly, appalling behaviours.

Our family life was/is very stressful, our therapist pointed out that just having that many babies in a short space is a lot for most couples to cope with.

We are now making time to have fun together, go out on our own as a couple and generally respecting each other more.

It may help if your DH moves out for a short while, whilst giving you enough help with the DC, just to release some of the pressure.

Good luck.

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Pielight · 13/09/2009 18:44

Oh come on Princess. Relationships don't break down in a charming and respectful way. He's behaving badly, he won't take responsibility because of the guilt of it all, and he's stressed and frustrated and blaming her because he feels caught.

I think these kind of things happen when relationships go wrong, without that person necessarily having to be an abuser.

Am sorry for you though OP. It does all sound horrid. Still think you should cut him loose, clear the air, see how it unfolds.

mrsboogie · 13/09/2009 18:46

You are certainly not over reacting. If he wasn't like this before you had kids it sounds like he is not coping well with fatherhood or with you being a mother. Did he give you the impression he wanted kids?

This isn't something that is likely to improve on its own. god only knows what's going on in his mind but it doesn't sound healthy whatever it is.

He has threatened you, he is very angry and is on the brink of violence. Women's aid will be able to advise you. Your wish to more back to the SE is not a hopeless one - you are a SHAM and your kids are toddlers so there is no job or school to worry about. You would get help with housing.

Can you get access to any money? If you can start squirelling away some money now.

BertieBotts · 13/09/2009 19:23

Your post made me get a shiver down my spine TBH - he sounds a lot like my DP who I have been contemplating leaving for months and am finally starting to consider it for real. It's hard and you do start thinking about what there is left to save, and is it worth all the upheaval of leaving - but the truth is you (and I, and anyone else living like this) DO DESERVE BETTER. Your DC would benefit much more from having parents who model healthy relationships, than having mum + dad living together in the same house, unhappily.

I understand exactly what you say about feeling you have overreacted as well, all the focus from real life support (family and friends etc) seems to be about staying together, making it work etc. I have had a few people say to me "Oh it's normal after you have had a baby" It's not. It's not normal or healthy to live as though you are in a loving relationship with somebody who doesn't respect you.

Keep posting. Mumsnet is fab and will support you. You deserve to be happy. Be strong!

OnYGo · 14/09/2009 11:20

Will try to respond to everyone.

Travellingwillbury they all said they hoped we would work things out and gave me ideas of how to do so. However today I have spoken to my sister and asked her to tell me what she really thinks-basically she has always found him difficult, thinks his current behaviour is abusive and will support me 100% if i want to get out.

Colditz The point about my children is what is making me realise that I need to get out. I would hate hate hate for them to live this life.

Fuzzy it was a threat. No idea if he checks my phone a lot, probably. I just leave it lying around.

Not ready to call WA-he is friends with the director of the local organisation.

Pielight I have been justifying his behaviour like that, now i don?t know. I believe he doesn?t mean to be abusive but I think he doesn?t know how to have a normal healthy relationship. He?s not close to his parents or siblings and he drops friends over imaginary slights. Whether he means it or not I am now scared of him and that is not right.

Thanks for that advice grownupbabes, I will go to CAB tomorrow.

Dittany yes. It?s not a regular thing but three occasions come to mind.
Countingto10 I?m glad you have sorted things out.

Princesstoadstool I don?t think she is barking, she is right it was a very long op and I was feeling confused (feeling much less so now though)

Mrsboogie did you mean to call me a sham? There were elements before we had kids, not trusting me, accusing me of flirting, I moved abroad to be with him and he left me in the house all day while he got on with his life and said he was too busy when I wanted to go somewhere. He didn?t like the one real friend I made out there and made it very clear he didn?t like me spending time with her. Actually I was just getting up the courage to come back home and leave him when I fell pregnant-he then insisted on us getting married and moving back to uk together.

I have an isa with a bit of money in from before we were together. The dc also have about £500 each in their savings that I have saved for them so if worst came to worst I would have access to that. I gave the passbooks to my friend last night for safekeeping. Only income is CHB and CTC and there is nothing left after groceries, bus fares etc.

Bertie that?s so true about family, friends etc. The decision is so much easier now I know my sister is behind me.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/09/2009 11:36

"I don't think him leaving is an option"

I think you will hang yourself by your own petard if you continue to think that, all of your writings are those of an abused woman in an abusive relationship. Its not just about you either; your children are also being emotionally harmed too by his actions. What on earth are you both teaching them about relationships here?.

WA have a national helpline - you can call that number. All calls are confidential and are treated as such. Do not put up self made barriers saying that you're not ready to phone them because he is friends with the head of the local organisation. Are you certain this is fact or is this heresay?.

He will not change, you can only change how you react to him. You have been controlled to the nth degree by him and continue to be so.

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