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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
AndTheBandPlayedOn · 25/07/2013 01:00

bump

NoComet · 25/07/2013 01:45

After 23 years of marriage and 15 years of being parents, DH and I still fail to pass our no shouting badge.

The rest I think we manage, but I can't do the pent up frustrations caused by not shouting.

grounddown · 25/07/2013 04:18

I needed that!
I am in the process of leaving my P and will keep this with me when I am feeling wobbly

Hissy · 25/07/2013 07:17

I was only thinking that it was about time this got bumped again!

This is THE single most important thread on the whole of MN.

It is applicable to us all, those in bad relationships, those who have got out.

Even those in GOOD relationships can appreciate what they have and work on those elements they struggle with.

Reality, I thank you again! :)

CoffeeandScones · 06/08/2013 18:39

Mr Bump.

Mum2Fergus · 06/08/2013 18:44

Marking place to read later...

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 19:28

Ahh, this thread again. Always a good read.

Funny though, this is the first time I've read it and realised it applied to me. I didn't think what he did was abuse. My mind blocked out a lot of the bad treatment, because I'd not managed to deal with it any other way. I felt he didn't respect me, but he said he did. I felt I had made my bed and I now had to lie in it. I felt I had financial freedom because I had access to his money, even though he thought of it as "his" money and questioned every non-grocery transaction I made. And on and on. I read the OP and actually thought, "This is a good thread for those who are really suffering. I shouldn't complain; it could be a lot worse."

Very thankful to numerous patient MNers for helping me to think clearly! I'd lost touch with what happiness was. And confidence. And peace. Now I'm starting to get those things back.

theMovedStone · 06/08/2013 19:34

:-(

vintagecakeisstillnice · 06/08/2013 22:08

Why isn't this thread made a 'stickie?'

It really needs to be

Bullets · 06/08/2013 22:43

Wow. This has really struck a chord with me.

Enough is enough. I deserve better.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 06/08/2013 23:23

Always good to see this bumped.

Yes you do, Bullets.

StringBeanJean · 07/08/2013 12:20

AMEN to that OP and thank you for your wonderful post.

I've been a single mother for six months now. It's really hard work but also incredibly rewarding and, of course,the alternative is so much worse. I am going to save your post to re-read when I need a reminder that I did the right thing and I can continue to do this. Especially like the bit about children being much better off with separate parents than living in an atmosphere full of stress and misery.

BeCool · 07/08/2013 12:48

I love it when this thread is bumped and I get to read it again! Brilliant.

LineRunner · 07/08/2013 13:50

Thanks for bumping this.

I am just beginning a new relationship, after two years on my own kind of getting to know myself again IYKWIM.

It's good to be able to read Reality's post and look hard at this new relationship as it helps to work out if this is what I want, especially with so many DCs involved.

I am watching carefully how he treats his Ex, for example.

Great stuff, thanks Smile

kittykat10 · 24/08/2013 09:55

It has made me realise my ex was a bad relationship as a friend he been good but as a bf he was crap, I paid for food when I stayed I contributed to bills when I could.
He called me names well not like the obvious but he told me I smelt I guess I was a bit nieve about it all.
Basically I've gone from an on line e abusive relationship . Ashamed to say naughty pictures sent to him and he was dominating , to name calling and used for sex after we split , a drug user which I accepted initially .
Hope this one nice :-)

pout · 24/08/2013 14:40

This thread strikes such a chord with me. I'm a long-time lurker on Mumsnet, and the insight I've gained from reading posts on the Relationships board over the years helped me come to realise that I was in a DV relationship, however much my partner told me otherwise. I put up with so much shit and nastiness but kept going in some misguided loyalty that was actually doing our family unit no good at all.

I am ashamed to say that it took me a number of years to build up the courage and actually do something about leaving the relationship, and mine was a painfully drawn-out separation as we lived under the same roof for a year following separation. The best thing now is that we are both able to provide a healthier, stable and supportive environment for our DCs with shared childcare, and the positive impact on their confidence and behaviour is striking. I now live in peace in my own home without the sense of dread in my stomach I felt on a daily basis. I've read comments that this board can be voyeuristic, but without it I may not have gained the insight that helped me realise what I needed to do.

garlicbaguette · 18/09/2013 14:21

Bump overdue.

YoniBottsBumgina · 03/10/2013 19:00

Definitely, Garlic - and again! :)

MoreThanWords · 12/10/2013 23:12

And again! Smile

ThehighcostofLying · 01/11/2013 21:25

Bump

BeCool · 09/12/2013 16:18

Bump - for the Xmas season!

Locketjuice · 09/12/2013 16:31

WineWine

Ching Ching to that :)

LivingWellNow · 09/12/2013 16:57

Very timely.

Karenblixen · 28/12/2013 18:11

Bump - this must stay on my watch list!

JonSnowKnowsNothing · 28/12/2013 18:12

Glad this has been bumped today. There have been some terrible threads over Christmas.