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Toxic MIL obsessed with ‘kindness‘

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Thebestdaysofourlife · 19/10/2026 21:51

Need some advice on how to deal with my MIL. She is obsessed with ‘kindness’ and everything she does has to be kind, she judges everyone else based on how kind she perceives them to be.

She does lots of things that we don’t like but if we ask her not to, she sulks as she was only being kind. Basically if we ever disagree with her then we are nasty people as she was just doing what she did or said with kindness. Examples - she reorganised all my kitchen cupboards one afternoon whilst babysitting, DH told her it was she had overstepped the mark, she got upset as she was being kind. We went on a day out and the children were behaving badly, I told them off and she was cuddling them saying I didn’t mean what I said - again she was only saying it with kindness. The crux of it is that her actions can only ever be good as they were meant with good intentions.

Earlier this year she had a bad mental health episode which unfortunately coincided with the birth of DC3 and also me being extremely ill and needing major surgery, DH had to get quite firm with her to arrange proper help for her (she wanted him to move in with her whilst I was caring for 3 DC, one a newborn, having just had major surgery) and now she says he was unkind in the way he spoke to her and she can’t forgive him.

How can we deal with this? It’s causing a lot of friction. She hasn’t got any other family at all so it feels incredibly mean to cut her off. We live close to her and every time we see her it’s ending in an argument. I dropped in with the DCs a couple of nights ago and she wouldn’t let me in!

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Withyouinamo · 20/10/2026 15:23

JoyousWriter · 20/10/2026 14:45

Aren't they also your kitchen cupboards?

Er, technically! But there's just no doubt that our kitchen is DW's domain. I might use it, cook in it, clean it up. But she's the organising mind behind the kitchen. I'm Technical Manager (incl cars); the division of labour has ended up kinda traditional. 🤷🏻‍♂️

PopcornKitten · 20/10/2026 16:23

It sounds like she uses self perceived kindness to justify what she wants to do. In her eyes anything can be justified if she thinks it’s done in kindness.
I find that- people that need to tell you they’re being kind usually aren’t.

  • so called kindness is often used to be manipulative or get your own way.
Mairzydotes · 20/10/2026 17:00

She needs to be reminded that it's the impact of her actions that have the consequences, not her intention.

Mom2K · 20/10/2026 17:23

Thebestdaysofourlife · 19/10/2026 23:41

A few weekends ago we went round as DH was putting up some shelves for her. The DCs were being whiney and miserable as they had a late night, so when DH was finished we said we would get them home. Invited MIL over for dinner but she said no, which is absolutely fine.

Except as DH went back to get his tools before leaving, she ‘announced’ that she just needed to say she was sorry for ‘all the trouble she caused’. DH asked her to elaborate as he was a bit confused and she wouldn’t, just went into the house and wouldn’t engage with us any more. It wasn’t any trouble to DH to put the shelves up and we only left as the DCs were getting bored and miserable but we were left feeling guilty and wondering what we had done wrong, which feels wrong, as now the situation is all about MIL again.

So then she wasn't really apologizing for anything, this was just a stunt for attention and sympathy.

My ex MIL did that one time. My ex and I were in the car with her my children (then toddlers), and she had a random outburst and said to me (very emotionally) - "whatever it is I've done, would you just forgive me???"

There had been a lot of things she had done over the years...but in that exact moment nothing had happened and there was no reason for her to behave that way. I calmly replied "Do you know what it is you need to apologize for?" And she instantly stopped being all emotional and stated "we shouldn't discuss this in front of the kids" after acting like a total nutter just a moment before.

It's all an act. I was going to suggest you distance yourself from her but if she won't forgive her DS and won't let you in, then the problem has taken care of itself. When she inevitably resumes contact don't let the behaviour continue. When she bangs on about kindness, tell her exactly why her actions are actually unkind and that it won't be tolerated...and mean it.

Kingdomofsleep · 20/10/2026 18:52

Thebestdaysofourlife · 19/10/2026 23:41

A few weekends ago we went round as DH was putting up some shelves for her. The DCs were being whiney and miserable as they had a late night, so when DH was finished we said we would get them home. Invited MIL over for dinner but she said no, which is absolutely fine.

Except as DH went back to get his tools before leaving, she ‘announced’ that she just needed to say she was sorry for ‘all the trouble she caused’. DH asked her to elaborate as he was a bit confused and she wouldn’t, just went into the house and wouldn’t engage with us any more. It wasn’t any trouble to DH to put the shelves up and we only left as the DCs were getting bored and miserable but we were left feeling guilty and wondering what we had done wrong, which feels wrong, as now the situation is all about MIL again.

Except as DH went back to get his tools before leaving, she ‘announced’ that she just needed to say she was sorry for ‘all the trouble she caused’. DH asked her to elaborate as he was a bit confused and she wouldn’t

So so easy to deal with this. Sunny smile, say brightly "ah, no worries mum!" And breeze away. She did cause trouble for you, and she is apologising, so graciously accept it at face value.

Your husband's and your reactions are just adding fuel I'm afraid.

FaceIt · 20/10/2026 18:59

Her not opening the door is a positive. Leave her to it and don’t go around again and play into her hands.

She’s controlling and manipulative.

Don’t be scared to stand up to her, and remember to say you’re only being ‘kind.’

HoppityBun · 20/10/2026 19:03

Pallaska · 20/10/2026 08:41

My MIL was a bit like this when I was young. She would hugely overstep, behaving quite strangely. She would do things like rearrange my things in my drawers and private spaces, come round extremely early, five am, to "help". She would buy lots of presents and then get upset that I didn't want them. We clashed on all this and more and she would get so upset and shout that she was only trying to help.

Eventually I grew up a bit myself and took on a different role in the relationship, because honestly it was actually true. She was trying to help but she was just crap at it. She was insecure, anxious, controlling, all kinds of mixed up in her head and in her relationships in a way that I was luckily not and I learned (a bit) how to help her have a less fraught and crazy relationship with us.

A big part of it was massively reducing my expectations of her emotional capacity. She was not a Machiavellian genius out to destroy me, she was a flaily insecure mess destroying everything with her mixed up patterns of behaviour. She was doing her best, genuinely, and her best was pretty bad. As I learned more about her life and her childhood, I gained a lot of understanding and, honestly, respect for how far she had come and how much she had surmounted to get to where she was with it all.

Some things that worked: calmly setting boundaries. 1) Saying thank you to her when she shouted that she was only trying to help and really acknowledging that while continuing to set a boundary. Like: thank you. I really appreciate the sentiment and I know you are trying to help me. It turns out I can't use that help, but I really appreciate that you're always trying. 2) Being slightly over grateful to her when she did things I didn't mind or even liked. 3) Letting most things go.

She wasn't a terrible person even though she did a few terrible things. She was just a flawed person, and we're all flawed in our own way so I could relate to that. We never became good friends and I never "fixed" her, but we did accept each other and have a relationship of sorts. And I did end up being grateful to/for her, which is genuinely what she dearly wanted/needed, so hurray.

❤️ wise words

My parents really couldn’t GAF after I was about 10. Past the age of being a charming little girl anyway. So I had the opposite of you @Thebestdaysofourlife

But what I’ve had to accept over the years is that it wasn’t in them to give me what I needed: it just wasn’t there.

Sassylovesbooks · 20/10/2026 19:45

Manipulative behaviour dressed up as kindness! There's nothing kind in your MIL's behaviour. She knows exactly what she's doing. I wonder if she sees you as competition for her son's affection and attention? Personally, I think you and your husband need to step back. Let her stew in her own juices.

Zanatdy · 20/10/2026 20:31

Sounds like the shelves issue, she thought you were annoyed at having to do the job, and kids tired and upset. Probably this whole ‘i’m old and a burden’ thing. Try and rise above it as much as you can.

Sugargliderwombat · 20/10/2026 22:51

Thebestdaysofourlife · 19/10/2026 23:41

A few weekends ago we went round as DH was putting up some shelves for her. The DCs were being whiney and miserable as they had a late night, so when DH was finished we said we would get them home. Invited MIL over for dinner but she said no, which is absolutely fine.

Except as DH went back to get his tools before leaving, she ‘announced’ that she just needed to say she was sorry for ‘all the trouble she caused’. DH asked her to elaborate as he was a bit confused and she wouldn’t, just went into the house and wouldn’t engage with us any more. It wasn’t any trouble to DH to put the shelves up and we only left as the DCs were getting bored and miserable but we were left feeling guilty and wondering what we had done wrong, which feels wrong, as now the situation is all about MIL again.

Just had to put herself back into the victim role. Maybe we have the same MIL 😆

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