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Would you see years of secret messaging as a serious betrayal?

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ESmith4111 · 07/07/2026 23:49

I've been with my husband for 13 years and we've been married for 10. We have two young children.
In February I discovered that for the last four years he'd been chatting to other women online. I found nearly 200 archived chats. I can't see the content because they're archived, but he says none of the conversations were sexual. According to him, he was just escaping his life, talking to other people about his problems, and wanted an outlet. He says he wasn't cheating because he never slept with anyone.
To me, it feels like emotional cheating. He actively sought out women in chat rooms, moved conversations onto private WhatsApp, and spent years talking to them instead of talking to me. We've also had a sexless marriage for years and haven't had sex for about 18 months. Throughout that time he always told me he had a low sex drive or wasn't feeling well, so it's hard not to question everything now.
The timing makes it even harder. Around two and a half years ago, he was offered a major promotion. I left a secure, well-paid career with a good pension so we could move as a family. I genuinely believed we were making that sacrifice together for our future. If I'd known then that he'd already been secretly talking to other women for years, I don't think I would have left my job or moved away from everyone I knew.
After our first child I suffered with postpartum depression. Losing my career, feeling like all the hard work I'd put into it had been dismissed, and trying to adjust to becoming a mum really affected me. Both my husband and my employer were very dismissive of how much I was struggling, which left me feeling incredibly alone. Since then we've also discovered that both of our children are neurodivergent, so life has brought additional challenges that many people probably won't understand unless they've lived it.
Looking back now, it's painful to realise that while I was struggling with my mental health, grieving the loss of my career, raising two young children with additional needs, and supporting his career move, he was spending years chatting to hundreds of other women because he wanted to "escape" his life. It feels like he was escaping me and the children while I was carrying so much of the emotional load.
Financially, I now feel trapped. I work part-time in a job that I genuinely enjoy, but it pays very little because it has to fit around childcare and we have no family nearby to help. I can't afford to rent somewhere on my own, even after looking into child maintenance. We also jointly own the house we used to live in, which is rented out, so our finances are tied together.
Since I found out in February, very little has changed. He still says he doesn't think he cheated. He apologised because he felt he had to, not because he believes he did anything wrong. He also tells me he doesn't love me, but says it's not personal because he doesn't love anybody, and that I'm overreacting by taking it personally.
I feel completely stuck. I don't know whether I should stay because of the practical realities, or whether I should start planning a way out, even if it takes time. Part of me wonders if moving back in with my mum at nearly 40 is the answer, but that would mean uprooting the children from the area where they're settled, and I don't particularly want to live there. The alternative would be selling our rental property or moving back there, but that doesn't feel like the right answer either.
I'm not looking for people to tell me to leave immediately. I'm looking for honest opinions because I feel too close to the situation to think clearly.
Am I overreacting, or would other people also see four years of secretly messaging around 200 women, alongside a sexless marriage and everything else that's happened, as a serious betrayal? And if you were in my position, would you stay and try to rebuild the marriage, or quietly start planning your exit?

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moderate · 08/07/2026 23:19

Definitely start making plans to leave him.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 08/07/2026 23:27

I’m sorry. You don’t deserve that.x

caringcarer · 09/07/2026 02:28

He's cheated on you for years. He's also failed to support the sacrifices youade for the family. I think you need to divorce and sell your house and the let house. With both sold you could rebuild a new life for you and your DC. You could ask your Mum if you could stay with her for a year whilst you sorted out your life. You are young enough to start over. In the future you might meet someone else. Your h says he doesn't love you. You might accept living in a sexless marriage but a loveless marriage too will over time break you. Don't let him do that to you.

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 06:51

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · 08/07/2026 20:47

I already asked if she had asked him to see the messages. No answer.

Hi, sorry, I asked to see messages but he'd deleted them all. He says it was all just normal conversations, but who knows, I don't trust what he says now unfortunately

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ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 07:01

BeesAndCrumpets · 08/07/2026 17:21

OP - I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

What an absolute arsehole. It's a massive problem, and in your position I would demand to see the conversations before YOU move forward with YOUR decisions. He sounds like a sociopath honestly. Has there been any empathy or remorse? Is he depressed at all?

Urgh, you can try and explain it away, but fundamentally it is absolutely awful he's been doing this to you. You deserve better. Please don't let your kids grow up like you did in a love-less home. Loving yourself enough is a great example to set your kids xx

Yes, I believe he's depressed, or at least he was. Now his way of thinking seems second nature to him. But he says he doesnt need help.
My FIL died 4 years ago and he looked after him in his final weeks which is when it all started supposedly. He didnt speak to anyone for long time, I eventually got him to have a few sessions with a counsellor but he said they were pointless and ended them and hasn't had any help since.

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junebirthdaygirl · 09/07/2026 07:17

I would look at moving to your mom if she is happy to facilitate that. You would have support.
There is no shame in that. Then move on selling the rented house as soon as it becomes available. Is there any way of getting back into the sector you originally worked in as they might count your experience and put you on your own level. I know that's difficult with 2 children who need care.
Remember, none of this is your fault. Your dh has no idea how to be a partner, possibly due to his own undiagnosed issues. I wouldn't waste too much energy working out..is this affairs or not..its just unacceptable behaviour . No need to keep arguing the point with him as he sounds like he has no self awareness and you will exhaust yourself and get more put down.

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · 09/07/2026 08:37

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 06:51

Hi, sorry, I asked to see messages but he'd deleted them all. He says it was all just normal conversations, but who knows, I don't trust what he says now unfortunately

I don't blame you. You deserve better than this. He's addicted to this.

pimplebum · 09/07/2026 08:47

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:02

He tells me that when he says, he doesn't love me , it's because he doesn't love anyone, even himself..so its not personal. How is it not personal? He makes me sound/feel unreasonable for taking it personally. I'm not mad for being angry or upset about that am I? He makes me feel like I am and I have no idea these days if its just me or if its him gaslighting me?

The bare minimum you can expect in a marriage is to be loved

sexually/ passionately maybe wains with age and heavy responsibilities but love and respect should always be at the heart of of everything

without it you have nothing

he has disrespected you and emotionally cheated

id make plan to move on where you have support

moderate · 09/07/2026 13:43

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 06:51

Hi, sorry, I asked to see messages but he'd deleted them all. He says it was all just normal conversations, but who knows, I don't trust what he says now unfortunately

Does he delete all his normal conversations, or just these ones?

99bottlesofkombucha · 09/07/2026 13:44

pimplebum · 09/07/2026 08:47

The bare minimum you can expect in a marriage is to be loved

sexually/ passionately maybe wains with age and heavy responsibilities but love and respect should always be at the heart of of everything

without it you have nothing

he has disrespected you and emotionally cheated

id make plan to move on where you have support

Or at least for them to think they love you! Many men don’t quite, or not half as much as they love themselves, but at least they think they do!!

TheAvidWriter · 09/07/2026 13:48

His attempt to gaslight you into thinking that all this was him escaping his life, is both to minimise but also a form of coercive control.

Non of this is ok and yes its a massive betrayal.

How would he feel if this was you doing this?

Bet from now on you will not only be questioning this but all the other things he is doing when your back is turned. You will no longer feel safe in your marriage and your DH has set a tone in your relationship that is going to be impossible to unsee. He is wanting to minimise and its only purpose is to safe his own face and ego on the outside world should anyone find out.

Him saying it has nothing to do with you and him just escaping, what else is he doing if "chats are no longer serving its purpose?

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 14:03

moderate · 09/07/2026 13:43

Does he delete all his normal conversations, or just these ones?

Just these, though he does archive ones from his ex-wife too, though not delete them.

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ginasevern · 09/07/2026 14:41

@ESmith4111 "Do I stay until he gets help and realises this isn't normal?"

Short answer - no! Of course he knows it's not fucking normal whether he's ND or not. And what sort of "help" is going to change him into a husband that actually loves and respects you? There's no therapy on earth that could achieve that. And he doesn't want to be with anyone else because his life is nice and easy with you. Imagine another woman taking all that shit on. It's not happening is it. What's the situation with the rental house? Do you jointly own the house you currently live in too?

Firegoddess · 09/07/2026 15:07

Ok. I thought he was ND when he said he doesn't love you but doesn't love anyone so its not personal, and I see you think this too.

Firstly, you cannot get him to change nor can you get him to see things from your perspective nor can you get him to see how 'wrong' his thinking is on this. He has a cognitive disability which means how he sees and understands things is very real to him, not matter how unreal it actually is, and a disability which means he has an extreme mono-perspective and rigid thinking which combine to mean he won't be able to challenge his own thinking. DO NOT destroy yourself trying to get him to see how wrong he is or to see your perspective. This is who he is and it will not change. The most important first step is for you to accept this harsh unchangeable fact. There are Cassandra facebook groups for partners of ND men which you may find helpful (or not!) .

Secondly, you need to get full detail on the financial and other practicalities of leaving so you can make an informed practical choice.

Next you need to consider carefully the emotional choices you are facing. These include the impact on you are staying with a man who thinks and behaves as he does ( and this would require completely emotionally separating from him and building your own independent life and self - but still don't underestimate the long term impact on your psychology of staying with a man like this, even if you try to live separately you will constantly come up against issues to do with his behaviour and thinking). It also means considering the impact on the kids of staying and leaving.

Then you need to combine the financial and practical considerations and make a final choice.

Its not easy OP. You are in a very hard place. I find it helpful to remember that sometimes in life there are no good choices but you still have to make a choice.

moderate · 09/07/2026 16:31

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 14:03

Just these, though he does archive ones from his ex-wife too, though not delete them.

Does this seem as damning to you as it does to me?

LifeboatJoy · 09/07/2026 17:00

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:25

Technically I could, eventually. But I would have to wait until the end of the tenancy term, which is December. But thw hiuse is in his home town, not mine (mine is a couple of hours away)

Check that this is definitely true. If you are moving in it may be that you can give notice earlier. Also if selling.
Also get good independent benefits advice. If you move back to your old area where you have support as soon as possible what help could you get?
Are there any family/friends who might be willing and able to help in any way?
I'm so sorry you're going through this.

ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 22:09

moderate · 09/07/2026 16:31

Does this seem as damning to you as it does to me?

The fact that he deletes them or that he archives his ex-wife? The deleting them is damning and the fact he blocks and then unblocks the numbers to chat with the women. The ex being archived is because she is a psychopath and he doesn't want to see her chats in his phone, but they have an adult son who she does message about from time to time.

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ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 22:19

Firegoddess · 09/07/2026 15:07

Ok. I thought he was ND when he said he doesn't love you but doesn't love anyone so its not personal, and I see you think this too.

Firstly, you cannot get him to change nor can you get him to see things from your perspective nor can you get him to see how 'wrong' his thinking is on this. He has a cognitive disability which means how he sees and understands things is very real to him, not matter how unreal it actually is, and a disability which means he has an extreme mono-perspective and rigid thinking which combine to mean he won't be able to challenge his own thinking. DO NOT destroy yourself trying to get him to see how wrong he is or to see your perspective. This is who he is and it will not change. The most important first step is for you to accept this harsh unchangeable fact. There are Cassandra facebook groups for partners of ND men which you may find helpful (or not!) .

Secondly, you need to get full detail on the financial and other practicalities of leaving so you can make an informed practical choice.

Next you need to consider carefully the emotional choices you are facing. These include the impact on you are staying with a man who thinks and behaves as he does ( and this would require completely emotionally separating from him and building your own independent life and self - but still don't underestimate the long term impact on your psychology of staying with a man like this, even if you try to live separately you will constantly come up against issues to do with his behaviour and thinking). It also means considering the impact on the kids of staying and leaving.

Then you need to combine the financial and practical considerations and make a final choice.

Its not easy OP. You are in a very hard place. I find it helpful to remember that sometimes in life there are no good choices but you still have to make a choice.

Thank you for this response. I would be very interested in what the facebook groups are if you have any links?

I have just started with counselling today and I'm hoping to work through everything that has happened with someone who can ask the right questions and put all my jumbled thoughts together. And hopefully explain abit about what might work in terms of communication with him.

As I've mentioned I do have options, though not all are choices I would like. But as someone else has said even if its not what we want a choice needs to be made. I am struggling to exist like this, treading water as if nothing happened when my whole world came crashing down but to him it is nothing. 20 year old me would be so disappointed in me. Hell, 30 year old me would be disappointed in me for still being here. I always told him, right from the start. If ever you're unhappy enought to want to cheat or look elsewhere we either talk and sort it out or you leave. And instead he chose to do what he did for years.

I'm scared of being alone. I'm scared of breaking my kids worlds apart and damaging them forever. I'm scared that I'll never find anyone again. I'm no spring chicken and I have 2 young children, not exactly a catch. And despite it all I love him, I can't just turn those feelings off. But also, I don't want to be a doormat, I don;'t want my kids to see that.

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ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 22:22

LifeboatJoy · 09/07/2026 17:00

Check that this is definitely true. If you are moving in it may be that you can give notice earlier. Also if selling.
Also get good independent benefits advice. If you move back to your old area where you have support as soon as possible what help could you get?
Are there any family/friends who might be willing and able to help in any way?
I'm so sorry you're going through this.

I definately wouldn't move in, so we would have to sell. Even though his family would live nearby and would be supportive (I think). We currently rent where we are due to his job. Our house was rented out to ensure we had somewhere to go back to, but if not going back altogether it's not somewhere I want to be.

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ESmith4111 · 09/07/2026 22:25

It hurts that he wants to 'escape' our lives. Which to me means he wants to escape me, our kids and the life that we've built together. Which is just shattering.
Life isn't easy for anyone, and everyone has challenges, but this is/was meant to be our life, together. I've never wanted to escape it, just make it better and make it our own.

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