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Would you see years of secret messaging as a serious betrayal?

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ESmith4111 · 07/07/2026 23:49

I've been with my husband for 13 years and we've been married for 10. We have two young children.
In February I discovered that for the last four years he'd been chatting to other women online. I found nearly 200 archived chats. I can't see the content because they're archived, but he says none of the conversations were sexual. According to him, he was just escaping his life, talking to other people about his problems, and wanted an outlet. He says he wasn't cheating because he never slept with anyone.
To me, it feels like emotional cheating. He actively sought out women in chat rooms, moved conversations onto private WhatsApp, and spent years talking to them instead of talking to me. We've also had a sexless marriage for years and haven't had sex for about 18 months. Throughout that time he always told me he had a low sex drive or wasn't feeling well, so it's hard not to question everything now.
The timing makes it even harder. Around two and a half years ago, he was offered a major promotion. I left a secure, well-paid career with a good pension so we could move as a family. I genuinely believed we were making that sacrifice together for our future. If I'd known then that he'd already been secretly talking to other women for years, I don't think I would have left my job or moved away from everyone I knew.
After our first child I suffered with postpartum depression. Losing my career, feeling like all the hard work I'd put into it had been dismissed, and trying to adjust to becoming a mum really affected me. Both my husband and my employer were very dismissive of how much I was struggling, which left me feeling incredibly alone. Since then we've also discovered that both of our children are neurodivergent, so life has brought additional challenges that many people probably won't understand unless they've lived it.
Looking back now, it's painful to realise that while I was struggling with my mental health, grieving the loss of my career, raising two young children with additional needs, and supporting his career move, he was spending years chatting to hundreds of other women because he wanted to "escape" his life. It feels like he was escaping me and the children while I was carrying so much of the emotional load.
Financially, I now feel trapped. I work part-time in a job that I genuinely enjoy, but it pays very little because it has to fit around childcare and we have no family nearby to help. I can't afford to rent somewhere on my own, even after looking into child maintenance. We also jointly own the house we used to live in, which is rented out, so our finances are tied together.
Since I found out in February, very little has changed. He still says he doesn't think he cheated. He apologised because he felt he had to, not because he believes he did anything wrong. He also tells me he doesn't love me, but says it's not personal because he doesn't love anybody, and that I'm overreacting by taking it personally.
I feel completely stuck. I don't know whether I should stay because of the practical realities, or whether I should start planning a way out, even if it takes time. Part of me wonders if moving back in with my mum at nearly 40 is the answer, but that would mean uprooting the children from the area where they're settled, and I don't particularly want to live there. The alternative would be selling our rental property or moving back there, but that doesn't feel like the right answer either.
I'm not looking for people to tell me to leave immediately. I'm looking for honest opinions because I feel too close to the situation to think clearly.
Am I overreacting, or would other people also see four years of secretly messaging around 200 women, alongside a sexless marriage and everything else that's happened, as a serious betrayal? And if you were in my position, would you stay and try to rebuild the marriage, or quietly start planning your exit?

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Larrythecatforpm · 07/07/2026 23:54

200 chats? Sorry op but he’s most definitely cheated!

category12 · 07/07/2026 23:56

Underreacting if anything.

He said he doesn't love you. There's nothing to rebuild.

I think it would make sense to plan to move into the rental property.

AnonymityAnonymity · 07/07/2026 23:58

It's a huge betrayal of you OP.
As you say he was putting all the energy he should have been putting into his marriage into reaching out to other women.
The fact he did this secretly shows he knew that this behaviour was not ok.

He has told ypu he doesn't love you and it's a sexless relationship anyway. So really the marriage is over. But the betrayal must be so hurtful for you OP.
I'm really sorry.

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · 08/07/2026 00:00

200 sets of messages which you haven't seen ? Is he willing to let you see them ?

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:02

He tells me that when he says, he doesn't love me , it's because he doesn't love anyone, even himself..so its not personal. How is it not personal? He makes me sound/feel unreasonable for taking it personally. I'm not mad for being angry or upset about that am I? He makes me feel like I am and I have no idea these days if its just me or if its him gaslighting me?

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researchers3 · 08/07/2026 00:02

Your marriage IS over I'm afraid, whether you like it or not. Stay and out up with this shit and you're telling him he can do anything he likes to you.

He doesn't love you or respect you. He has almost certainly cheated, multiple times, he's just not going to tell you.

I know you didn't want to he told to get out of this, but i really think you should as fast as possible!

Circe7 · 08/07/2026 00:03

I think there are men who just chat to women and never actually meet up or try to meet up. I’ve come across some of them on tinder (and move on swiftly as soon as I realise). I’d be very surprised if he hadn’t talked about sex but regardless it’s almost certainly not platonic. I think you’re completely justified in seeing this as an emotional betrayal.

But the bigger issue for me would be that he doesn’t love you and doesn’t want to have sex. It also sounds like he has never loved you if he says he doesn’t love anyone? I struggle to see how you could rebuild your marriage from that point. You certainly couldn’t do so unilaterally.

I know it’s difficult to leave someone and even more so if you have children with special needs. But I think this will be unsustainable and eat away at you over time and you should at least try to get yourself into a position where you could leave. Or try to envisage what it might look like. If you have a rental property and a parent who would take you in you do have options, even if they feel suboptimal.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 08/07/2026 00:04

A measured approach would be to quietly gather information and options before making a decision
understand the financial position;
obtain independent legal advice regarding property and children;
consider whether reconciliation is realistically possible;
avoid making irreversible decisions while emotionally overwhelmed.
Planning is different from immediately separating.

scoobysnaxx · 08/07/2026 00:04

Just chatting?
conveniently all women I suppose..
make plans to leave. Could you move into the rental?

PenelopeJoanSterling · 08/07/2026 00:05

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:02

He tells me that when he says, he doesn't love me , it's because he doesn't love anyone, even himself..so its not personal. How is it not personal? He makes me sound/feel unreasonable for taking it personally. I'm not mad for being angry or upset about that am I? He makes me feel like I am and I have no idea these days if its just me or if its him gaslighting me?

at a guess him not loving anyone is not personal to you even if it feels that way some people can turn off emotion and yes its shitty but its how it goes at times

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:12

But if he says he wont get help to address that feeling, he wont see anyone. What do I do with that? I cant help him and if he wont get help??

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ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:13

He says he hasn't, but as you say I dont see how not at this stage. Thing is I don't know when he would have found time

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MulberryFresser · 08/07/2026 00:21

My brother is currently dating a married lady who lives with her husband who is unaware of her cheating - she appears to have found time to talk to him and meet him at work, enroute to work, on the way from work, to/from the gym/tesco/her parents and when out with her friends (excluding husband). They find a way.

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:21

PenelopeJoanSterling · 08/07/2026 00:05

at a guess him not loving anyone is not personal to you even if it feels that way some people can turn off emotion and yes its shitty but its how it goes at times

Does this means its ok? Do I stay until he gets help and realises this isn't normal?.or does the fact he won't get help because he doesnt see a problem with it tell me everything? How long do I wait for him to wake up and see his reactions aren't normal?

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Shockednotshocked · 08/07/2026 00:21

What would you say to a friend or one of DCs I'd they told you their partner doesn't love them? Wouldn't you want more for them?
Donttyou want more for yourself?

If he doesn't love anyone, does this include the dcs?

He sounds like he's making excuses for these ridiculous chats.

He's lying and cruel, and definitely gaslighting you.

There's no point even engaging with him, quietly make your plans to leave.

What's wrong with the rental house?

MulberryFresser · 08/07/2026 00:22

I know lots of divorced/separated ladies with ND kids - their selfish husbands (some of whom may be undiagnosed ND themselves) feel excluded because the children are so needy for mum and tend to find themselves attracted elsewhere.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 08/07/2026 00:23

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:21

Does this means its ok? Do I stay until he gets help and realises this isn't normal?.or does the fact he won't get help because he doesnt see a problem with it tell me everything? How long do I wait for him to wake up and see his reactions aren't normal?

his actions may not seem normal or be normal but then whats normal to one person is different to the next person,

personally id be planning to split because if he thinks no emtion is normal then all the will and all the studies in the world would not convince him, besides its not like you can truly make him feel any emotions ?

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:25

scoobysnaxx · 08/07/2026 00:04

Just chatting?
conveniently all women I suppose..
make plans to leave. Could you move into the rental?

Technically I could, eventually. But I would have to wait until the end of the tenancy term, which is December. But thw hiuse is in his home town, not mine (mine is a couple of hours away)

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Purplerubberducky · 08/07/2026 00:28

He’s lying and the marriage is over. There really isn’t anything to think about. You will move on and be much happier without him.

HortiGal · 08/07/2026 00:33

Why stay with a man who doesn’t love you, lies to
you and a sexless life?
You have options, sell one of the houses and start over.

RedTreeLeaf · 08/07/2026 00:35

Saying he doesn’t love you, or himself, or anyone else is problematic. He will only change this if he also agrees that it is problematic. Sadly, people won’t change if you try and make them, it has to come from them. For there to be any progress he’d need to agree there’s a problem in your relationship and sadly this doesn’t sound as if he’s able to do that. Contacting so many women isn’t the right thing to do, but it’s more the fact he can’t see the problem with this that sounds unworkable. If he’d done that then been regretful or apologetic or desperate not to lose you then that would at least give an indication he’d be willing to work on himself and the relationship. Do you think he is neurodivergent?

maxslice · 08/07/2026 00:40

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:02

He tells me that when he says, he doesn't love me , it's because he doesn't love anyone, even himself..so its not personal. How is it not personal? He makes me sound/feel unreasonable for taking it personally. I'm not mad for being angry or upset about that am I? He makes me feel like I am and I have no idea these days if its just me or if its him gaslighting me?

Dear God, of course, it’s personal! I hope you find a way out. Seek help from local resources, family members, friends. He doesn’t deserve you. Don’t let him gaslight you.

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:41

RedTreeLeaf · 08/07/2026 00:35

Saying he doesn’t love you, or himself, or anyone else is problematic. He will only change this if he also agrees that it is problematic. Sadly, people won’t change if you try and make them, it has to come from them. For there to be any progress he’d need to agree there’s a problem in your relationship and sadly this doesn’t sound as if he’s able to do that. Contacting so many women isn’t the right thing to do, but it’s more the fact he can’t see the problem with this that sounds unworkable. If he’d done that then been regretful or apologetic or desperate not to lose you then that would at least give an indication he’d be willing to work on himself and the relationship. Do you think he is neurodivergent?

Yes, I definitely think he is ND, though undiagnosed, he is 46, so not something that would have been picked up for him at school. But yes, I believe he is. As does he, though he sees no reason to have this diagnosed as he's been 'fine' in his life so 'what's the point'

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Delphiniumandlupins · 08/07/2026 00:42

I wonder how he would feel if you found some men to chat to online about the lack of sex, love and respect in your marriage? Would he take that personally?

99bottlesofkombucha · 08/07/2026 00:43

I’d forget about him, you don’t have to look after him and think what would work for you. Where would work as a decent job? Anywhere near you or do you have to move? Is that a reasonable place to move the kids? Look for jobs, think about housing, tell him things have to change which include him doing more of the parenting, no you don’t care about his job, you gave yours up for him and you never ever would have made these sacrifices for a man who doesn’t love you and puts his emotional energy into random women instead of you, and you and the kids are going to move. Tell him you loved him but you are actively working on not loving him because you get nothing back and you do plan to have sex in your life again. Maybe the realisation will send him to therapy to help you readjust your life balance so he does more and you can get your career back.

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