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Would you see years of secret messaging as a serious betrayal?

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ESmith4111 · 07/07/2026 23:49

I've been with my husband for 13 years and we've been married for 10. We have two young children.
In February I discovered that for the last four years he'd been chatting to other women online. I found nearly 200 archived chats. I can't see the content because they're archived, but he says none of the conversations were sexual. According to him, he was just escaping his life, talking to other people about his problems, and wanted an outlet. He says he wasn't cheating because he never slept with anyone.
To me, it feels like emotional cheating. He actively sought out women in chat rooms, moved conversations onto private WhatsApp, and spent years talking to them instead of talking to me. We've also had a sexless marriage for years and haven't had sex for about 18 months. Throughout that time he always told me he had a low sex drive or wasn't feeling well, so it's hard not to question everything now.
The timing makes it even harder. Around two and a half years ago, he was offered a major promotion. I left a secure, well-paid career with a good pension so we could move as a family. I genuinely believed we were making that sacrifice together for our future. If I'd known then that he'd already been secretly talking to other women for years, I don't think I would have left my job or moved away from everyone I knew.
After our first child I suffered with postpartum depression. Losing my career, feeling like all the hard work I'd put into it had been dismissed, and trying to adjust to becoming a mum really affected me. Both my husband and my employer were very dismissive of how much I was struggling, which left me feeling incredibly alone. Since then we've also discovered that both of our children are neurodivergent, so life has brought additional challenges that many people probably won't understand unless they've lived it.
Looking back now, it's painful to realise that while I was struggling with my mental health, grieving the loss of my career, raising two young children with additional needs, and supporting his career move, he was spending years chatting to hundreds of other women because he wanted to "escape" his life. It feels like he was escaping me and the children while I was carrying so much of the emotional load.
Financially, I now feel trapped. I work part-time in a job that I genuinely enjoy, but it pays very little because it has to fit around childcare and we have no family nearby to help. I can't afford to rent somewhere on my own, even after looking into child maintenance. We also jointly own the house we used to live in, which is rented out, so our finances are tied together.
Since I found out in February, very little has changed. He still says he doesn't think he cheated. He apologised because he felt he had to, not because he believes he did anything wrong. He also tells me he doesn't love me, but says it's not personal because he doesn't love anybody, and that I'm overreacting by taking it personally.
I feel completely stuck. I don't know whether I should stay because of the practical realities, or whether I should start planning a way out, even if it takes time. Part of me wonders if moving back in with my mum at nearly 40 is the answer, but that would mean uprooting the children from the area where they're settled, and I don't particularly want to live there. The alternative would be selling our rental property or moving back there, but that doesn't feel like the right answer either.
I'm not looking for people to tell me to leave immediately. I'm looking for honest opinions because I feel too close to the situation to think clearly.
Am I overreacting, or would other people also see four years of secretly messaging around 200 women, alongside a sexless marriage and everything else that's happened, as a serious betrayal? And if you were in my position, would you stay and try to rebuild the marriage, or quietly start planning your exit?

OP posts:
ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:46

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/07/2026 00:42

I wonder how he would feel if you found some men to chat to online about the lack of sex, love and respect in your marriage? Would he take that personally?

I asked him this. And he said that he wouldn't jump to conclusions and would ask more about the scenario. Bullshit. This is the man who before we were married got jealous about guys who were on a tour of America with me, that were both in relationships and one was gay. But he made me feel.shit that they were there. It was a planned tour that people booked on, mostly women.

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suburberphobe · 08/07/2026 00:49

I'd go for an STI test.

No way would I let a man put my health at risk, whatever he says.

So sorry you are having to go through this OP. It's shit.

Get your ducks in a row.

Whowhenwhatwear · 08/07/2026 00:51

Tell him to show you the chats then.

Regardless, it's 100% cheating, emotionally at least. The lack of love and intimacy means there's nothing left to salvage in this marriage. You need to leave before he destroys you completely. He sounds like a psychopath.

Chilesstanton · 08/07/2026 00:57

Keep searching OP, if you have the stomach for it. I would guess that what you found is the tip of the iceberg unfortunately.

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 01:00

suburberphobe · 08/07/2026 00:49

I'd go for an STI test.

No way would I let a man put my health at risk, whatever he says.

So sorry you are having to go through this OP. It's shit.

Get your ducks in a row.

Gosh. I hadn't even thought of an STI check 😔

OP posts:
ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 01:03

Chilesstanton · 08/07/2026 00:57

Keep searching OP, if you have the stomach for it. I would guess that what you found is the tip of the iceberg unfortunately.

He is an IT whizz. So now that he knows that I know, there's no point looking for anything else as he would know how to hide it.

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WandaWomblesaurusWonka · 08/07/2026 01:07

It’s compulsive approval seeking behaviour. He won’t stop, it’s ingrained. I’ve had a partner like this. It’s an addiction like any other addiction.
You deserve more, he will not change. Please find a way to leave.

CamillaMcCauley · 08/07/2026 01:59

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:21

Does this means its ok? Do I stay until he gets help and realises this isn't normal?.or does the fact he won't get help because he doesnt see a problem with it tell me everything? How long do I wait for him to wake up and see his reactions aren't normal?

Don’t wait around for someone to decide your life for you.

Do you want to be in a relationship where you are being treated like this? Is this a relationship that feels fundamentally happy, secure and respectful to you? If not, you need to start making moves towards exiting, not waiting around hoping and trying to convince him to see things your way.

There’s a chance that if he sees you are serious about leaving if he doesn’t change, he’ll recognise what he’s done. But it’s extremely unlikely he will change at all when life continues just the same for him, with no real consequences for his actions, other than your upset.

StarCourt · 08/07/2026 02:22

If he’d wanted to talk to 200’people about his problems he could have chosen men.

Dillydallydailydaisy · 08/07/2026 05:42

I don't think messaging other women automatically means he has had sex with other women. However he has betrayed you on other levels by being emotionally involved with other women. The fact he has chosen to communicate with this many women and not you says a lot for how much he values you. Accepting this isn't ok. If he can't see how hurtful it is then I would have to leave.

Also, why accept to share a life with someone who doesn't love you and openly says that? Everyone deserves to be loved and feel loved.

Personally I'd leave him to his 200 confidants and get out, hardship or not. Life is too short to waste on a man who has no respect for you.

Duvetdayneeded · 08/07/2026 05:46

Trust has gone. He needs to go. Deal breaker.

andthat · 08/07/2026 06:15

StarCourt · 08/07/2026 02:22

If he’d wanted to talk to 200’people about his problems he could have chosen men.

Absolutely this.

@ESmith4111 he doesn’t respect you, so I would suggest that your respect yourself and leave.

TheThingOnTheIce · 08/07/2026 06:28

If they’re so innocent he won’t mind you reading them then will he ?

Comtesse · 08/07/2026 06:36

HortiGal · 08/07/2026 00:33

Why stay with a man who doesn’t love you, lies to
you and a sexless life?
You have options, sell one of the houses and start over.

This. It’s not just the chats, but everything else too. The marriage is a disaster zone.

Sunshinemoonlightboogie · 08/07/2026 06:50

What would you advise your best friend?

He has betrayed you, stolen your personal agency, lied and gaslighted you.

AND made it clear he doesn’t love you.

Honestly, you know you have to leave. Time to line up those ducks for your sake and the children's, who it’s been shown, watch their parents relationship and use them it as a blue print for their own when older.

Time to start planning!

raspberryrisotto · 08/07/2026 06:51

You are worth more than this. Seriously. It’s very easy for strangers to say LTB online, but this is time to get your ducks in a row. Make plans to get back to your old life, your support networks and your old career. Get your ducks in a row. Squirrel cash away whenever you can (do not put it in a bank account!) and start to rebuild your life.

you get ONE life. Show your kids how to value yourself and be at your best, with or without a supportive partner. Definitely not with one who treats you like this.

username2185 · 08/07/2026 07:04

sexless marriage, he’s told you he doesn’t love you, he has betrayed your trust, he has no respect for you.

As hard as it will be initially, you leave. Your life will get better.

I’m sorry you’re going through this 💕

somanychristmaslights · 08/07/2026 07:06

In the nicest possible way, you’re being a bit of a doormat. He’s treating you like absolute shit. You deserve much better. You need to decide if you’re willing to live like this until you’re 80, or if you want more from your life and leave him.

ShishKofte · 08/07/2026 07:12

Op your posts sound exhausted & resigned. He's behaving appallingly, with no recognition of how much he's hurt you and it doesn't need to be like this.

You've said you don't need people to say 'leave' so I suggest you start focusing on yourself and building up resilience & strength to escape this wanker.

Tell him you accept what he says - he doesn't love you, life can be a drag, he needs escape. Tell him you totally get it, you feel very similar and you're glad he's bought it to a head, so let's switch things up a bit.

Stop doing any of his washing or his life admin. Make sure he does 50% of the childcare when he's not working and you get to focus on yourself and escape a bit too. Do you have friends to confide in where you live? Hobbies or things you enjoy? Don't ask permission and don't worry about pissing him off.
Can you look for better paid work or start building your escape pot?

Give up on asking for counselling/ diagnoses - he's telling you he's not interested in progress or change because he's got things as he likes them.

Time to gather your strength, get angry and rebuild a life centred on yourself.

category12 · 08/07/2026 07:18

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 00:41

Yes, I definitely think he is ND, though undiagnosed, he is 46, so not something that would have been picked up for him at school. But yes, I believe he is. As does he, though he sees no reason to have this diagnosed as he's been 'fine' in his life so 'what's the point'

It doesn't really matter what his issues are.
If he's ND, he's not going to change.
And as he's convinced he's fine as he is, either way, it's not going to change.

He doesn't give a shit if you're fine or not.

What matters is how it affects you, and what you have here is a cheating, emotionally distant guy for whom you gave up a lot in a sexless relationship you're miserable in.

Split up, sell up, go back home, start over.

EverythingGolden · 08/07/2026 07:22

Op I’m so sorry this has happened to you, he has behaved terribly. His reaction is very telling, he is taking zero responsibility and he isn’t going to change. For this reason the relationship is dead in the water I’m sorry, and you shouldn’t put up with it, you deserve better.

Start planning now to move on. See a solicitor if you can and this will help you understand your financial options. I understand that moving children is not ideal but it’s also not in their best interests to have you unhappy and potentially unwell because of staying in this situation.

ESmith4111 · 08/07/2026 15:12

EverythingGolden · 08/07/2026 07:22

Op I’m so sorry this has happened to you, he has behaved terribly. His reaction is very telling, he is taking zero responsibility and he isn’t going to change. For this reason the relationship is dead in the water I’m sorry, and you shouldn’t put up with it, you deserve better.

Start planning now to move on. See a solicitor if you can and this will help you understand your financial options. I understand that moving children is not ideal but it’s also not in their best interests to have you unhappy and potentially unwell because of staying in this situation.

This is the bit that upsets me and I'm trying so hard to work out. I don't want the kids coming from a broken home, but at the same time I want them to see what love is and this isn't it
I grew up in a loveless household and it has definitely shaped me and is probably a factor in me not leaving yet and continuing to plod on knowing we aren't happy. Though he tells me he doesn't want to be with anyone else.

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Gloriia · 08/07/2026 16:59

There's too much going on really. A sexless marriage, messaging <probably sexting> other women and saying he doesn't love you. Any one would be a challenge but all 3 would seem unsurmountable. He isn't sorry, he's sorry he was caught and I don't understand the archived so can't read thing, if you can't read why archive or am I being thick?

You need to get back to your home town, rent until you can sell the house for a deposit on a smaller place and draw a line. Sorry you're going through this Flowers.

BeesAndCrumpets · 08/07/2026 17:21

OP - I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

What an absolute arsehole. It's a massive problem, and in your position I would demand to see the conversations before YOU move forward with YOUR decisions. He sounds like a sociopath honestly. Has there been any empathy or remorse? Is he depressed at all?

Urgh, you can try and explain it away, but fundamentally it is absolutely awful he's been doing this to you. You deserve better. Please don't let your kids grow up like you did in a love-less home. Loving yourself enough is a great example to set your kids xx

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · 08/07/2026 20:47

I already asked if she had asked him to see the messages. No answer.