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Why can’t I just choose to have a lifelong partner ? I don’t seem marriage to be the next step.

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TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:23

m 36 and have been with my partner for 5 years. We own a house together, have built a lovely life and are genuinely very happy. Before we moved in together we each had our own flats in London, which we now rent out, so we're financially secure and committed in every practical sense.
The issue is marriage.

I was married once before. It lasted just over a year. I know people will assume there was some huge drama, but there wasn't. Once we got married it suddenly felt like everyone had expectations of us. What we should be doing, when we'd have children, family obligations, all of it. I felt like I was constantly performing as a wife rather than just being myself. Eventually I cracked under the pressure and ended the marriage.

A few years later I met another lovely man. I told him from the start that I didn't want to get married again, at least not for a long time. He surprised me with a very public proposal???! I said yes because I didn't want to humiliate him in front of everyone, but afterwards I admitted I didn't actually want to marry. Unsurprisingly the relationship ended. He's now happily married with baby, very happy for him! We're still amicable and he once said he simply doesn't understand me.
Now my current partner is starting to talk about marriage. He knew my history from our first date. He says this relationship is different and that we should give it a chance.

The thing is, I love him deeply. I genuinely can't imagine my life without him. But I don't want to be married. I don't even really know why beyond the fact that I simply don't want to be. I don't need a wedding or a husband. I'm happy having a partner.

I also don't want to change my name. I know nobody has to these days, but I've worked incredibly hard for my PhD and built my career under my own name. It feels like who I am.

I think a lot of this also comes from what I've seen growing up. My parents' marriage wasn't one, my mother simply put up with it for some reason, they celebrated 50 years of marriage but in my head I just thought, your marriage hasn’t kept up to many of the vows, it’s a false marriage, it’s not real. I was very disappointed in my mother for staying with my father, she’s a well educated woman sadly she succumbed to him. He’s not a bad person at all. I just think their marriage wasn’t healthy my mum did everything, it’s weird and she seemed drained yet stayed. It’s not a marriage I'd ever want for myself. My siblings' marriages aren't either. I know every marriage is different and maybe my family has just had bad luck, but it's difficult not to be influenced by what you've spent your whole life watching.

Recently I stayed with my sister and her husband for a couple of weeks. I came away genuinely shocked. He refers to looking after his own children as "babysitting", barely helps around the house and there was so much weaponised incompetence it was painful to watch. My sister did absolutely everything and looked completely drained. My partner noticed the dynamic too without me even pointing it out. Same dynamic with my brother and his wife, she seems to just do everything he has 4 young children yet is always out cycling with my partner, they recently cycled from Cornwall to Scotland how he’s got time to do that I do not know. Left his wife alone with the children? She told me she didn’t want him to go then said ‘such is life what can you do’ YOU HAVE A CHOICE. You can leave ?!

The strange thing is in terms of my sister, my brother in law wasn't like that when they were just together. It seemed to develop after marriage and children.

Then I look at some of my friends. Their husbands all seem like lovely men, but somehow the wives end up carrying the mental load while the husbands are off golfing, cycling or doing whatever hobby they enjoy for hours. The wives are left organising everything, looking after the children and running the household.

My partner cycles most Saturdays with his friends, usually 60–80 miles, but he's out before I've even woken up. He leaves the kitchen spotless before he goes, messages to ask if I need anything while he's out and often comes home with little surprises. He cooks, cleans and does as much around the house as I do. We genuinely feel like a team.
I suppose that's what I'm frightened of losing. Not because I think marriage magically changes people overnight, but because I seem to have watched so many relationships where, once marriage and children happen, people stop prioritising each other. The wife becomes the default parent and household manager while the husband slowly becomes more passive or complacent.

Maybe I'm completely projecting because of what I've experienced and witnessed. Maybe I'm being unfair to my partner because he's given me absolutely no reason to think he'd become like that. But I honestly love the life we've built together exactly as it is and I don't understand why marriage is seen as the natural next step.

It’s as if they steal all your light and energy, these are all very lovely, adventurous, ambitions women yet now let men walk all over them. You have a choice and you can very well leave! Yes it’s sad for the children but the children are witness a marriage that isn’t rooted in partnership the labour isn’t equal.

Why does it seem so important? Why isn't building a life together enough? Am I being unreasonable for wanting us to stay partners forever rather than husband and wife?
I just want to hear different views, from married women especially. I know they’re healthy marriages it seems I am just exposed to very odd dynamics or at least I see it as odd.

The laws are changing. I know marriages are better in terms of some aspects but things are changing.

OP posts:
PizzaPunk · 04/07/2026 16:25

Do you know you've started two identical threads OP?

Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 16:26

None of what you describe happens because you're married. It happens because they have kids and have low expectations of men.
In the nicest way, you've never been in a long enough relationship for that stale to kick in. It's not the being married that does it!

NotTheSuggestedUsername · 04/07/2026 16:28

Why two identical threads?

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2026 16:32

Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 16:26

None of what you describe happens because you're married. It happens because they have kids and have low expectations of men.
In the nicest way, you've never been in a long enough relationship for that stale to kick in. It's not the being married that does it!

Hmmmm. I'm not sure. I had a good friend, older than me, who is dead now sadly. He'd been married twice. He had a family with his 3rd long term partner, but wouldn't get married again, because he said marriage changed relationships. They were happily together until his death (she was quite a lot younger than him). His late partner is now in another happy relationship. Not married.

I believe him. The weight of social expectation and patriarchy is too heavy. Even if the individuals concerned don't change, everything else around them does.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:33

PizzaPunk · 04/07/2026 16:25

Do you know you've started two identical threads OP?

I couldn’t delete it off AIBU

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PizzaPunk · 04/07/2026 16:34

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:33

I couldn’t delete it off AIBU

You have click 'report' which is in the menu at the side of your opening post.

AuraBora · 04/07/2026 16:35

Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 16:26

None of what you describe happens because you're married. It happens because they have kids and have low expectations of men.
In the nicest way, you've never been in a long enough relationship for that stale to kick in. It's not the being married that does it!

Agree. Far more to do with kids than being married.

FannyCraddocksPantry · 04/07/2026 16:35

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:33

I couldn’t delete it off AIBU

PhD huh

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:37

I fear all my relationships will be doomed to fail because I just don’t want this sort of dynamic. I guess I just have to accept it I’m not any different to any other woman. My mum had so many ambitions yet she choose a man and marriage over all of that. In their older age they’re happy but she was young once and to me it feels as though she wasted her youth. She met my father at Cambridge then got pregnant after graduation and has never achieved much sadly (I am not insulting her those were her words she used)

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TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:38

FannyCraddocksPantry · 04/07/2026 16:35

PhD huh

Yes, you can do a PhD in absolutely anything doesn’t mean I can’t struggle to delete a post. It would not let me.

OP posts:
TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:40

PizzaPunk · 04/07/2026 16:34

You have click 'report' which is in the menu at the side of your opening post.

I have ‘reported’ it but it is still up

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Meadowfinch · 04/07/2026 16:42

I know what you mean OP. I've always avoided marriage as well. I look around at my sisters, my mum, my friends, and there isn't a single marriage there that I envy.

They all seem burdened and lacking freedom.

I have ds, my house, my career, male company when I want it but not marriage. It just seems like a formula for having a man criticise or judge me. ☹️

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 04/07/2026 16:47

FannyCraddocksPantry · 04/07/2026 16:35

PhD huh

You can't delete your own threads so egg on your face @FannyCraddocksPantry .

@TheFastOrca you are in many ways right that marriage changes things even with the best will in the world. The reasons are pretty deep and complicated, partly to do with the weight of history and partly psychological unconscious aspects.

If you are not having children I'd suggest you have fewer reasons to think marriage will bring any positives, but there may still be some. I'd suggest looking at it coldly and legally to decide if the advantages are going to ever outweigh the problems.
For instance if you are together for life there are death, inheritance and next of kin issues. You could consider a civil partnership. I'm in a CP, not same sex, for similar reasons; I did not want to get married again.

It's not simple by any means but to honour how you feel about marriage is something you need to continue to take into account no matter what anyone else says or thinks.

I've seen a few good relationships spoiled at the point of marriage. It's a powerful force bigger than the two people involved.

Boxiboxi21 · 04/07/2026 16:49

I think I know what you mean, OP.

I was nearly 39 before I met my now-DH; before that there was a string of useless men who made my life harder rather than added to it in any meaningful way.

I swore I wouldn't marry anyone who brought less to the table than I did.

DH is a very equal partner, in fact he probably does more for the relationship/lifestyle we have than I do. This is the first time I've experienced this. He was worth the wait.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:51

Meadowfinch · 04/07/2026 16:42

I know what you mean OP. I've always avoided marriage as well. I look around at my sisters, my mum, my friends, and there isn't a single marriage there that I envy.

They all seem burdened and lacking freedom.

I have ds, my house, my career, male company when I want it but not marriage. It just seems like a formula for having a man criticise or judge me. ☹️

I’d love to have children of my own, but at the same time I worry that it could change or even damage the relationship I have with my partner.

We’ve talked about having children, and he’s supportive of whatever I decide. I think he sees things differently and is content not having any more. He’s nine years older than me and has a 12 year old son from his previous marriage, who comes to stay with us very regularly and we have fun doing random activities with him it’s nice.

I really enjoy having him around, and we get on very well. In some ways, it feels like I get to experience a little of what motherhood is like but without the full time responsibilities and pressures.

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Slawbans · 04/07/2026 17:00

The problem is not with marriage but with there being inadequate resources (time, energy, money) for everyone’s needs to be met. The kids will naturally come first , then you and your partner have to fight it out for 2nd and 3rd. Women’s socialisation turn most of us into losers in that particular battle. And why you have to be careful who you marry.

inequality bwtweeen the sexes is just not so visible pre kids. And you won’t see it with a 12 year old once a week either.

CurlewKate · 04/07/2026 17:03

I have had a very happy and equal life with the same person, unmarried, for 40 years. AMA!

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:06

CurlewKate · 04/07/2026 17:03

I have had a very happy and equal life with the same person, unmarried, for 40 years. AMA!

  1. Do you have children ?
  2. Are you worried about the future ie: next of kin, inheritance etc

My partner is worried about the latter which I can understand. We aren’t too too bothered about having children. I think I’m fine with not experiencing motherhood, he has a son who I have managed to bond with and love dearly so I feel as though I’m experiencing motherhood that way.

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JLou08 · 04/07/2026 17:18

Interesting that you're disappointed in your mother for staying with your father but describe your father as a good man. That might be something worth reflection on.
I think it's children that change things, not marriage. A marriage would be similar to your life now with your DP. Adding children to the mix is what adds a lot of additional physical and mental labour that often falls more on the woman. There's nothing to say your DP wouldn't do his fair share in your OP but who knows until it happens.

Karma2023 · 04/07/2026 17:20

Slawbans · 04/07/2026 17:00

The problem is not with marriage but with there being inadequate resources (time, energy, money) for everyone’s needs to be met. The kids will naturally come first , then you and your partner have to fight it out for 2nd and 3rd. Women’s socialisation turn most of us into losers in that particular battle. And why you have to be careful who you marry.

inequality bwtweeen the sexes is just not so visible pre kids. And you won’t see it with a 12 year old once a week either.

Edited

Completely agree. Children change the dynamic because women have the children and that does limit activities/socialising for a period of time.

Very quickly men get very used to the free time and once established the shift in power is extremely difficult to change. Add in financial impact of mat leave to a woman's career vs the status of fatherhood for men, its easy to see why relationships suffer during marriage/children.

Does your partner cycle when he has his son? Does he have him for extended periods such as holidays? I've yet to meet a keen male cyclist who gives up time for his children, unless it fits into their training plan.

Read some posts on here...New mums complaining that their once perfect dh is out and literally left them holding the baby. Or the step mum threads when there is no negotiation between the needs of the new baby vs step child.

CurlewKate · 04/07/2026 17:27

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:06

  1. Do you have children ?
  2. Are you worried about the future ie: next of kin, inheritance etc

My partner is worried about the latter which I can understand. We aren’t too too bothered about having children. I think I’m fine with not experiencing motherhood, he has a son who I have managed to bond with and love dearly so I feel as though I’m experiencing motherhood that way.

Yes, we do have children. We have very carefully written wills, and other legal protections. We are aware that our positions are not quite as secure as they would be if we were married, but we’re happy with that. Our families know our wishes and we have no reason to think they won’t honour them if necessary.

Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 17:28

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:37

I fear all my relationships will be doomed to fail because I just don’t want this sort of dynamic. I guess I just have to accept it I’m not any different to any other woman. My mum had so many ambitions yet she choose a man and marriage over all of that. In their older age they’re happy but she was young once and to me it feels as though she wasted her youth. She met my father at Cambridge then got pregnant after graduation and has never achieved much sadly (I am not insulting her those were her words she used)

Key point "got pregnant" so had a child. The marriage wasn't the issue.

There are legal benefits to being married in some circumstances especially with shared children and avoiding IHT.

If you don't want to get married, don't. But the act of getting married doesn't change a relationship.

EarthSight · 04/07/2026 17:30

Some men start behaving like this straight after getting married, but if they're going to do it, most do it after having children it seems.

It seems to flick some kind of switch in their brain where their wife's vulnerability (economically and biologically) now makes them feel quite dominant and macho. They start flexing, pushing their wife's boundaries as much as they can, making her feel like she his little wifey at home with little power. Yes, some of them are wealthy enough to just leave, but even with people like yourselves that are middle class or higher, women are usually reluctant to break up the family unit, and those men know that.

There are no guarantees. The only thing you can ask yourself is 'What kind of evidence have I seen so far that tells me that he's going to be a respectful husband or father'? For some women, not only have they not really seen any (and are banking on the fact he'll change), but many actually go ahead and have children with men where they've seen evidence to the contrary!

he has a son who I have managed to bond with and love dearly so I feel as though I’m experiencing motherhood that way

Sorry OP, but I think step-parenthood is such an incredibly shit situation for both the step-parent, and often the child, because after all, the child usually never asks or wants their parents to split up, and has never asked for their dad to become involved with another woman that is not their mother.

Yes, there are exceptions, but very careful. Even if you don't do the nitty gritty of looking after him, you are effectively bonding with a child that is not biologically yours not someone you've adopted.

If you split up with your partner, you will have ZERO access rights to him, and that can really break someone's heart. Are you ok with never being the number one priority in anybody's life once your parents die? That that is the harsh reality that many step parents will eventually face.

Justbreathagain · 04/07/2026 17:31

I totally understand why you feel that way and I agree with pp I think it's kids that change the dynamic. Don't bow I say, stick to your guns if you don't want to get married. However, if it means so much to him then he might leave and are you ready for that ? For what it's worth not all marriages are bad but I think your right in saying alot of them do end up like you describe

Tryagain26 · 04/07/2026 17:36

Children change the dynamic of a relationship not marriage.
And relationships look very different to outsiders. Your siblings and parents may be happier than they appear to be to you.
Don't have children if you don't want your relationship to change and I don't think you should have children if you are not prepared to get married.