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Why can’t I just choose to have a lifelong partner ? I don’t seem marriage to be the next step.

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TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:23

m 36 and have been with my partner for 5 years. We own a house together, have built a lovely life and are genuinely very happy. Before we moved in together we each had our own flats in London, which we now rent out, so we're financially secure and committed in every practical sense.
The issue is marriage.

I was married once before. It lasted just over a year. I know people will assume there was some huge drama, but there wasn't. Once we got married it suddenly felt like everyone had expectations of us. What we should be doing, when we'd have children, family obligations, all of it. I felt like I was constantly performing as a wife rather than just being myself. Eventually I cracked under the pressure and ended the marriage.

A few years later I met another lovely man. I told him from the start that I didn't want to get married again, at least not for a long time. He surprised me with a very public proposal???! I said yes because I didn't want to humiliate him in front of everyone, but afterwards I admitted I didn't actually want to marry. Unsurprisingly the relationship ended. He's now happily married with baby, very happy for him! We're still amicable and he once said he simply doesn't understand me.
Now my current partner is starting to talk about marriage. He knew my history from our first date. He says this relationship is different and that we should give it a chance.

The thing is, I love him deeply. I genuinely can't imagine my life without him. But I don't want to be married. I don't even really know why beyond the fact that I simply don't want to be. I don't need a wedding or a husband. I'm happy having a partner.

I also don't want to change my name. I know nobody has to these days, but I've worked incredibly hard for my PhD and built my career under my own name. It feels like who I am.

I think a lot of this also comes from what I've seen growing up. My parents' marriage wasn't one, my mother simply put up with it for some reason, they celebrated 50 years of marriage but in my head I just thought, your marriage hasn’t kept up to many of the vows, it’s a false marriage, it’s not real. I was very disappointed in my mother for staying with my father, she’s a well educated woman sadly she succumbed to him. He’s not a bad person at all. I just think their marriage wasn’t healthy my mum did everything, it’s weird and she seemed drained yet stayed. It’s not a marriage I'd ever want for myself. My siblings' marriages aren't either. I know every marriage is different and maybe my family has just had bad luck, but it's difficult not to be influenced by what you've spent your whole life watching.

Recently I stayed with my sister and her husband for a couple of weeks. I came away genuinely shocked. He refers to looking after his own children as "babysitting", barely helps around the house and there was so much weaponised incompetence it was painful to watch. My sister did absolutely everything and looked completely drained. My partner noticed the dynamic too without me even pointing it out. Same dynamic with my brother and his wife, she seems to just do everything he has 4 young children yet is always out cycling with my partner, they recently cycled from Cornwall to Scotland how he’s got time to do that I do not know. Left his wife alone with the children? She told me she didn’t want him to go then said ‘such is life what can you do’ YOU HAVE A CHOICE. You can leave ?!

The strange thing is in terms of my sister, my brother in law wasn't like that when they were just together. It seemed to develop after marriage and children.

Then I look at some of my friends. Their husbands all seem like lovely men, but somehow the wives end up carrying the mental load while the husbands are off golfing, cycling or doing whatever hobby they enjoy for hours. The wives are left organising everything, looking after the children and running the household.

My partner cycles most Saturdays with his friends, usually 60–80 miles, but he's out before I've even woken up. He leaves the kitchen spotless before he goes, messages to ask if I need anything while he's out and often comes home with little surprises. He cooks, cleans and does as much around the house as I do. We genuinely feel like a team.
I suppose that's what I'm frightened of losing. Not because I think marriage magically changes people overnight, but because I seem to have watched so many relationships where, once marriage and children happen, people stop prioritising each other. The wife becomes the default parent and household manager while the husband slowly becomes more passive or complacent.

Maybe I'm completely projecting because of what I've experienced and witnessed. Maybe I'm being unfair to my partner because he's given me absolutely no reason to think he'd become like that. But I honestly love the life we've built together exactly as it is and I don't understand why marriage is seen as the natural next step.

It’s as if they steal all your light and energy, these are all very lovely, adventurous, ambitions women yet now let men walk all over them. You have a choice and you can very well leave! Yes it’s sad for the children but the children are witness a marriage that isn’t rooted in partnership the labour isn’t equal.

Why does it seem so important? Why isn't building a life together enough? Am I being unreasonable for wanting us to stay partners forever rather than husband and wife?
I just want to hear different views, from married women especially. I know they’re healthy marriages it seems I am just exposed to very odd dynamics or at least I see it as odd.

The laws are changing. I know marriages are better in terms of some aspects but things are changing.

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toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 17:36

Sounds like you have money and your BF is afraid of loosing on it if you die.

RoseOliviaAu · 04/07/2026 17:38

It’s not the marriage doing that to the men… it’s the children.

VoltaireMittyDream · 04/07/2026 17:38

As others have said, it’s not the marriage that does it. Plenty of women get to experience this without the hassle and expense of a wedding!

You don’t have to get married - doesn’t seem like it would benefit you in any way. You might just need to work on giving much less of a shit about others’ expectations and assumptions.

It’s the symbolic ‘next step’ for a lot of people, but if you just let people know it’s not for you, and resist the temptation to try to justify your choices to anyone not affected by them, people will back off and stop asking stupid questions.

Brightbluesomething · 04/07/2026 17:39

I understand what you’re saying and you’re not wrong. But I think the worst of the changes happen when you have children, not specifically due to marriage.
My previously helpful and house trained exDH stopped doing nearly everything around the home when we had kids after 10 years together. We both worked but he opted out of pretty much all aspects of family life to work (unnecessarily) and pursued his own hobbies at weekends. However equal we were in our careers and earnings he defaulted to traditional gender roles.
I ended it and before too long he relearned how to function as an adult to be a decent dad. He would never have done that if I’d stayed.
I’d never marry again and I’ve been really clear with all partners since. Thankfully none have wanted to (except one and I left him for other reasons). I won’t budge on this. I don’t think you should either.
I do think you need your wills and finances in place in case anything happens and you stay together. But if he’s determined to marry, he probably needs someone who wants that too. That’s not likely to be you.

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:40

It would seem you are very fragile and easily led and very much impacted by what other people think.

Which is concerning

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:41

I know people will assume there was some huge drama, but there genuinely wasnt

followed by

it. I felt like I was constantly performing as a wife rather than just being myself. Eventually I cracked under the pressure and ended the marriage.

Ponderingwindow · 04/07/2026 17:41

Marriage is the contract that allows the state to recognize the financial and legal arrangements that make your partnership run smoothly. It protects you in the case that you do have children because having children does negatively impact a woman’s ability to earn. It is a legal contract, nothing more and nothing less.

We add social meaning to the term and add ceremonies and celebrations. None of these are essential. You really just need the legal contract between you and your partner.

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:44

How old are you @TheFastOrca ?

ainsisoisje · 04/07/2026 17:46

Tryagain26 · 04/07/2026 17:36

Children change the dynamic of a relationship not marriage.
And relationships look very different to outsiders. Your siblings and parents may be happier than they appear to be to you.
Don't have children if you don't want your relationship to change and I don't think you should have children if you are not prepared to get married.

Why shouldn't someone be able to have kids and not want to get married? That sounds incredibly old fashioned in this day and age. And frankly marriage doesn't give security in the same way it did a few generations ago in any case.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:47

toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 17:36

Sounds like you have money and your BF is afraid of loosing on it if you die.

He earns far more than I do and has more in savings investments and cash than I do if I’m being honest.

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Kepler22B · 04/07/2026 17:49

What about a civil partnership? You get the legal protection but you don’t have the baggage you have around marriage.

No wedding necessary.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:49

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:40

It would seem you are very fragile and easily led and very much impacted by what other people think.

Which is concerning

Please elaborate ? I’m curious as I am working through things in therapy.

I’ve had a lot of pressure from family in terms of marriage and children over the years. They think I’m odd

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Tryagain26 · 04/07/2026 17:49

ainsisoisje · 04/07/2026 17:46

Why shouldn't someone be able to have kids and not want to get married? That sounds incredibly old fashioned in this day and age. And frankly marriage doesn't give security in the same way it did a few generations ago in any case.

They can . But I would advise any woman who has children to get married or a civil partnership for financial and legal security.
It's nothing to do with morality or being old fashioned in any way.

VoltaireMittyDream · 04/07/2026 17:50

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:51

I’d love to have children of my own, but at the same time I worry that it could change or even damage the relationship I have with my partner.

We’ve talked about having children, and he’s supportive of whatever I decide. I think he sees things differently and is content not having any more. He’s nine years older than me and has a 12 year old son from his previous marriage, who comes to stay with us very regularly and we have fun doing random activities with him it’s nice.

I really enjoy having him around, and we get on very well. In some ways, it feels like I get to experience a little of what motherhood is like but without the full time responsibilities and pressures.

In response to this - if you are at all worried about how having a child might change your relationship dynamics, I wouldn’t do it.

Equality and autonomy and fairness are important to you (as they are to all of us!), and in almost all straight parenting relationships I’ve seen, married or not, the woman becomes the default parent / housekeeper / organizer.

Even in my friends’ (hetero) civil partnership where both parties volubly insist they are all Fair Play and 50/50, the mum is still replacing the dad’s shoes when they wear out and sorting out summer holiday childcare and managing all their travel and their social lives and their kids’ sporting activities.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:53

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:41

I know people will assume there was some huge drama, but there genuinely wasnt

followed by

it. I felt like I was constantly performing as a wife rather than just being myself. Eventually I cracked under the pressure and ended the marriage.

I would not class that as drama, I was married to someone I’d been with since I was 16. We evolved and changed. I just didn’t feel as though marriage was for me. We sat down and talked about it quite maturely and wished each other the best. There was no bad blood we simply turned out to be different people who wanted different things in the end.

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Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 17:54

You married young and made a mistake. That doesn't mean marriage changes people, growing older does though, especially 16-25.

Pickledonions12 · 04/07/2026 17:54

I dont think it's marriage which creates incompetent men. I think it's being a father.

However I'm sure there are incompetent husbands who aren't fathers

If you don't want to get married @TheFastOrca, don't. Would a civil ceremony feel different for you?

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:56

Tryagain26 · 04/07/2026 17:49

They can . But I would advise any woman who has children to get married or a civil partnership for financial and legal security.
It's nothing to do with morality or being old fashioned in any way.

Edited

I 100% agree with this. I have known friends to be completely screwed after having children and not being married/in a civil partnership.

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toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 17:56

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:47

He earns far more than I do and has more in savings investments and cash than I do if I’m being honest.

You said in another post your partner is very concerned about inheritance (your words) so obviously he wants that cool London property of yours if something were to happen to you (god forbid), otherwise why is he so interested in going down the isle? Have you asked him?

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:56

Kallos · 04/07/2026 17:44

How old are you @TheFastOrca ?

36

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TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:59

toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 17:56

You said in another post your partner is very concerned about inheritance (your words) so obviously he wants that cool London property of yours if something were to happen to you (god forbid), otherwise why is he so interested in going down the isle? Have you asked him?

Edited

Yeah in terms of if he dies, next of kin, IHT if we aren’t married things can be a little completed, he also has a son so would like to secure things for us both. Of course his child comes first though.

I did not explain it properly my bad.

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Bringemout · 04/07/2026 18:04

I’m married with a child, DH will happily do things like book dentist appointments and take DD, takes her on playdates, does bath and bedtime etc etc. all the men on my side of the family appear to be the same. You just know some extremely selfish men imo. It’s not marriage it’s kids with selfish men who don’t love their wives enough to notice the imbalance because otherwise they may have to do something. Also I never changed my name but I reassured my MIL that DH is welcome to change his to mine anytime he wants if she’s concerned about us not having the same surname.

toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 18:06

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:59

Yeah in terms of if he dies, next of kin, IHT if we aren’t married things can be a little completed, he also has a son so would like to secure things for us both. Of course his child comes first though.

I did not explain it properly my bad.

Sounds to me like he wants to secure that London property of yours for him and his child. If you want to secure his money and his prooerty too I would marry this man, after all marriage is a financial contract created to benefit both people, otherwise what's the point in getting a government contract that may or may not change the relationship dynamic?

This is something you need to go through with a lawyer not so much MN.

Lexibletheflexible · 04/07/2026 18:08

Yeah a lot of people want the security and commitment of marriage. Men who think like you often struggle to find someone to tolerate it, too.

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 18:20

toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 18:06

Sounds to me like he wants to secure that London property of yours for him and his child. If you want to secure his money and his prooerty too I would marry this man, after all marriage is a financial contract created to benefit both people, otherwise what's the point in getting a government contract that may or may not change the relationship dynamic?

This is something you need to go through with a lawyer not so much MN.

Edited

Do you think?
He has seven other properties so I'm not sure my one bedroom flat really means that much to him, although maybe it does. He's never actually mentioned anything about it. He recently inherited some money after his father passed away and gifted me some of it to invest in my own account.

I'm not looking to secure money from him. I believe his money, pension, and other assets should go to his blood relatives. I have my own job, pension and assets, we don't have children, and we're not married. It's him who wants to make sure I'm financially secure, as well as his son, if anything were to happen to him.

For me, what's most important is being recognised as his next of kin so I can be involved in hospital visits and medical decisions if needed.

These conversations about inheritance and next of kin started because he had an appointment after doctors suspected skin cancer. Thankfully, it turned out not to be cancer but it made him think about the future. You just never know especially after a cancer scare.

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