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Why can’t I just choose to have a lifelong partner ? I don’t seem marriage to be the next step.

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TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 16:23

m 36 and have been with my partner for 5 years. We own a house together, have built a lovely life and are genuinely very happy. Before we moved in together we each had our own flats in London, which we now rent out, so we're financially secure and committed in every practical sense.
The issue is marriage.

I was married once before. It lasted just over a year. I know people will assume there was some huge drama, but there wasn't. Once we got married it suddenly felt like everyone had expectations of us. What we should be doing, when we'd have children, family obligations, all of it. I felt like I was constantly performing as a wife rather than just being myself. Eventually I cracked under the pressure and ended the marriage.

A few years later I met another lovely man. I told him from the start that I didn't want to get married again, at least not for a long time. He surprised me with a very public proposal???! I said yes because I didn't want to humiliate him in front of everyone, but afterwards I admitted I didn't actually want to marry. Unsurprisingly the relationship ended. He's now happily married with baby, very happy for him! We're still amicable and he once said he simply doesn't understand me.
Now my current partner is starting to talk about marriage. He knew my history from our first date. He says this relationship is different and that we should give it a chance.

The thing is, I love him deeply. I genuinely can't imagine my life without him. But I don't want to be married. I don't even really know why beyond the fact that I simply don't want to be. I don't need a wedding or a husband. I'm happy having a partner.

I also don't want to change my name. I know nobody has to these days, but I've worked incredibly hard for my PhD and built my career under my own name. It feels like who I am.

I think a lot of this also comes from what I've seen growing up. My parents' marriage wasn't one, my mother simply put up with it for some reason, they celebrated 50 years of marriage but in my head I just thought, your marriage hasn’t kept up to many of the vows, it’s a false marriage, it’s not real. I was very disappointed in my mother for staying with my father, she’s a well educated woman sadly she succumbed to him. He’s not a bad person at all. I just think their marriage wasn’t healthy my mum did everything, it’s weird and she seemed drained yet stayed. It’s not a marriage I'd ever want for myself. My siblings' marriages aren't either. I know every marriage is different and maybe my family has just had bad luck, but it's difficult not to be influenced by what you've spent your whole life watching.

Recently I stayed with my sister and her husband for a couple of weeks. I came away genuinely shocked. He refers to looking after his own children as "babysitting", barely helps around the house and there was so much weaponised incompetence it was painful to watch. My sister did absolutely everything and looked completely drained. My partner noticed the dynamic too without me even pointing it out. Same dynamic with my brother and his wife, she seems to just do everything he has 4 young children yet is always out cycling with my partner, they recently cycled from Cornwall to Scotland how he’s got time to do that I do not know. Left his wife alone with the children? She told me she didn’t want him to go then said ‘such is life what can you do’ YOU HAVE A CHOICE. You can leave ?!

The strange thing is in terms of my sister, my brother in law wasn't like that when they were just together. It seemed to develop after marriage and children.

Then I look at some of my friends. Their husbands all seem like lovely men, but somehow the wives end up carrying the mental load while the husbands are off golfing, cycling or doing whatever hobby they enjoy for hours. The wives are left organising everything, looking after the children and running the household.

My partner cycles most Saturdays with his friends, usually 60–80 miles, but he's out before I've even woken up. He leaves the kitchen spotless before he goes, messages to ask if I need anything while he's out and often comes home with little surprises. He cooks, cleans and does as much around the house as I do. We genuinely feel like a team.
I suppose that's what I'm frightened of losing. Not because I think marriage magically changes people overnight, but because I seem to have watched so many relationships where, once marriage and children happen, people stop prioritising each other. The wife becomes the default parent and household manager while the husband slowly becomes more passive or complacent.

Maybe I'm completely projecting because of what I've experienced and witnessed. Maybe I'm being unfair to my partner because he's given me absolutely no reason to think he'd become like that. But I honestly love the life we've built together exactly as it is and I don't understand why marriage is seen as the natural next step.

It’s as if they steal all your light and energy, these are all very lovely, adventurous, ambitions women yet now let men walk all over them. You have a choice and you can very well leave! Yes it’s sad for the children but the children are witness a marriage that isn’t rooted in partnership the labour isn’t equal.

Why does it seem so important? Why isn't building a life together enough? Am I being unreasonable for wanting us to stay partners forever rather than husband and wife?
I just want to hear different views, from married women especially. I know they’re healthy marriages it seems I am just exposed to very odd dynamics or at least I see it as odd.

The laws are changing. I know marriages are better in terms of some aspects but things are changing.

OP posts:
whoswatching · 04/07/2026 18:20

It really isn’t marriage that changes the dynamic of a relationship it’s children.

If you choose to have children in or out of wedlock you’ll be left being main carer, especially as your partner is out cycling every weekend. Kids are non-stop and exhaust parents, so between work and kids and cycling 80 miles a week, he will probably relax on his share of housework. He’ll be too tired! Everything that may have been a nice and relaxing pre-kids, cooking, cleaning the kitchen becomes a massive chore. Someone in the house has to get on with it whether they want to or not, and it’s usually the female.

It’s definitely not marriage imo. Do you know any married couples without kids where the woman is left doing everything?

NeatPinkFinch · 04/07/2026 18:32

Being a “good wife” requires significant effort I would rather use elsewhere.

toiletpaperthief · 04/07/2026 18:42

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 18:20

Do you think?
He has seven other properties so I'm not sure my one bedroom flat really means that much to him, although maybe it does. He's never actually mentioned anything about it. He recently inherited some money after his father passed away and gifted me some of it to invest in my own account.

I'm not looking to secure money from him. I believe his money, pension, and other assets should go to his blood relatives. I have my own job, pension and assets, we don't have children, and we're not married. It's him who wants to make sure I'm financially secure, as well as his son, if anything were to happen to him.

For me, what's most important is being recognised as his next of kin so I can be involved in hospital visits and medical decisions if needed.

These conversations about inheritance and next of kin started because he had an appointment after doctors suspected skin cancer. Thankfully, it turned out not to be cancer but it made him think about the future. You just never know especially after a cancer scare.

He sounds like a nice guy marrying for the right reasons and you sound pretty on board with it so in your shoes I would marry him. If things go apesh-it you can always get divorced. Unfortunately we don't have a glass ball where we can see if your marriage dynamic will change or not if you walk down the aisle. I would however write a list of 'terms and conditions', and a pre-nup. You don't want to end up like those women doing everything you described at the beginning.

SoManyTshirts · 04/07/2026 18:47

You can live however you want. Google “Stepping off the relationship escalator “ to read about others with the same views

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 18:57

whoswatching · 04/07/2026 18:20

It really isn’t marriage that changes the dynamic of a relationship it’s children.

If you choose to have children in or out of wedlock you’ll be left being main carer, especially as your partner is out cycling every weekend. Kids are non-stop and exhaust parents, so between work and kids and cycling 80 miles a week, he will probably relax on his share of housework. He’ll be too tired! Everything that may have been a nice and relaxing pre-kids, cooking, cleaning the kitchen becomes a massive chore. Someone in the house has to get on with it whether they want to or not, and it’s usually the female.

It’s definitely not marriage imo. Do you know any married couples without kids where the woman is left doing everything?

Exactly.

We each have our own hobbies and interests. I go cycling with him every now and then, but I definitely don't have the stamina to cycle from Cornwall to Scotland! I just find it odd how my brother can do that when he has small children. It’s not fair on his wife and I do slightly hate that he joins my partner and his friends and just leaves his wife at home with my little nieces and nephews. She seems to just put up with it for some reason.

When it comes to children, we'd have to sacrifice a lot and I don't think I'm willing to do that. I'm especially not willing to end up being the main caregiver while having a partner or husband. Honestly, I'd almost rather have a child on my own. I know that would be incredibly difficult, but at least I'd know it was all on me. One of my cousins slightly older than me had a child on her own, I think the first few years were hard but she had a village and great friends and me but he’s now 15 and they’re best of friends and it seems worth it. She had since met someone but they’re not married and she insists she won’t get married maybe civil partnership. From what I've seen, having a child with a partner doesn't necessarily mean the workload is shared equally in many cases, it seems to be the opposite. It's a shame that so much of the responsibility still falls on the woman who is often expected to just get on with it.

No the married couples I know without children are doing well. One of my closest friends has been married for seven years, and they seem really happy. They were always adamant that they didn't want children.

I guess I am just scared of another failed marriage. I see to have bad luck with men this is a great partnership I’m in now I don’t ever want to ruin it by complicating things.

OP posts:
TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 19:03

NeatPinkFinch · 04/07/2026 18:32

Being a “good wife” requires significant effort I would rather use elsewhere.

Yet men can get away with doing the absolute minimum. Maybe I’m just exposed to not so great fathers/husbands. My brothers seem to get do whatever they want and their wives seem to just put up with it and have explicitly said to me it’s tiring and hard work yet won’t leave. They seem to think it’s just life and normal.

I am sure there is lots of lovely fathers/husband out there who split workload equally as best as they can.

OP posts:
Happytaytos · 04/07/2026 19:25

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 19:03

Yet men can get away with doing the absolute minimum. Maybe I’m just exposed to not so great fathers/husbands. My brothers seem to get do whatever they want and their wives seem to just put up with it and have explicitly said to me it’s tiring and hard work yet won’t leave. They seem to think it’s just life and normal.

I am sure there is lots of lovely fathers/husband out there who split workload equally as best as they can.

Being a shit husband isn't because you got married, it's because they're shit men.

There are plenty of unmarried shit dads around.

I can't understand why you think it's the marriage that changes everything and not having kids that changes everything.

oneoffname · 04/07/2026 19:41

I think it's sad that so many marriages close to you seem 'poor'.
Ultimately, you need to do what feels right for you, but it's important for you to know that not every marriage follows the same pattern. DH and I have been married nearly 45 years. We met when I was still at school and married several years later. We had about five years or so before we had children. Yes, the dynamic changed at that point because I because sahp so naturally did more of the home work. But when he was home he did at least his fair share and when I returned to work he became a sahp on the days I worked. He didn't ' babysit', he did what a parent does. As the dcs grew older things changed again because they didn't need us in the way they had when tiny. Now our dcs are adults and not at home, things have moved on again. I can honestly say I have never felt I was doing more than DH in terms of supporting our family - yes, we each had slightly different roles at some points, but the amount of work/ support was equal. DH was just as likely as me to sort out appointments, do the shopping, do household jobs as I was. I am sure that many marriages are similar to ours. We are not perfect, we have our disagreements but in the big things, our values align.
I hope that whatever happens in your relationship, you are happy.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/07/2026 20:12

Re your comments on next of kin

the term next of kin does not have any legal definition in UK law. This means that being named as someone’s next of kin does not grant any legal rights or powers regarding decision making for your care and treatment.

It is recommended that cohabiting couples formally nominate each other upon hospital admission.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 04/07/2026 20:24

I agree with everyone else, it usually having children that breaks a marriage.

It’s a gamble.

Most women think they’re marrying a good man who will make a good husband and a father but this forum, anecdotes and statistics show that it really is a gamble.

If it’s not one that you want to take then it’s absolutely fine.

Copperoliverbear · 04/07/2026 20:38

Don’t let him ruin your friendships he is the one who should be embarrassed. Tell him to leave and get on with your life x

Kallos · 04/07/2026 20:39

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:49

Please elaborate ? I’m curious as I am working through things in therapy.

I’ve had a lot of pressure from family in terms of marriage and children over the years. They think I’m odd

Because what you describe… all these
people applying such overwhelming pressure that you “cracked” and divorced your husband? Surely you see that isn’t remotely normal. If your family is that forceful then it’s abusive and you should have nothing to do with them!!

You can’t be young… and yet you seem so bothered by what others think

Kallos · 04/07/2026 20:41

TheFastOrca · 04/07/2026 17:53

I would not class that as drama, I was married to someone I’d been with since I was 16. We evolved and changed. I just didn’t feel as though marriage was for me. We sat down and talked about it quite maturely and wished each other the best. There was no bad blood we simply turned out to be different people who wanted different things in the end.

No you have misinterpreted me.

You say that there was nothing dramatic about your divorcing your husband

in the next sentence you say you were so impacted by the overwhelming pressure from others that you “cracked”

That is very dramatic! Not many people divorce their partners because they have “cracked under the pressure” of… what? Family saying “when you going to give us a grandchild @TheFastOrca ?”

Rachelshair · 04/07/2026 20:52

I think you're way overthinking this. If you don't want to marry, don't.

Plenty of married women put up with all kinds of shit to have the nice house, the perfect family, the lifestyle, the long marriage that everyone admires.They might play the martyr but it's working out for them somehow or why would they stay? You don't have to be like them.
Maybe you don't see your partner as "the one"?

MaximumLeeway · 04/07/2026 20:55

It is very odd the way you talk. You make it sound like you have no agency in your life. That as soon as a man is involved you must somehow put all your ambitions and needs aside and cease to have any control.

It sounds like you have childhood trauma from your parents, both from your mum letting you know how sad she is about her own life, and from your dad who sounds self absorbed and dismissive of others realities.

Your siblings marriages are also nothing to do with you, you have the power to go against the model they have laid out. Not every marriage is the same dynamic, it is really odd that you are trying to cling to that.

Again I am saying you have free will, you can and should use it, you write your story not your family or past.

Kallos · 04/07/2026 20:57

MaximumLeeway · 04/07/2026 20:55

It is very odd the way you talk. You make it sound like you have no agency in your life. That as soon as a man is involved you must somehow put all your ambitions and needs aside and cease to have any control.

It sounds like you have childhood trauma from your parents, both from your mum letting you know how sad she is about her own life, and from your dad who sounds self absorbed and dismissive of others realities.

Your siblings marriages are also nothing to do with you, you have the power to go against the model they have laid out. Not every marriage is the same dynamic, it is really odd that you are trying to cling to that.

Again I am saying you have free will, you can and should use it, you write your story not your family or past.

Exactly!

Meadowfinch · 05/07/2026 00:19

Tryagain26 · 04/07/2026 17:36

Children change the dynamic of a relationship not marriage.
And relationships look very different to outsiders. Your siblings and parents may be happier than they appear to be to you.
Don't have children if you don't want your relationship to change and I don't think you should have children if you are not prepared to get married.

Gosh, I find that a very old fashioned view.

I have a ds but have never married. I have provided him with a secure and loving home, a good education, all the opportunities and joys of a good middle class childhood. He will go to a well regarded university shortly and is a happy, confident and hard working young man.
He sees his father regularly but (thankfully) we have never relied on him for anything. As a result my ds has grown up in a peaceful, house, no conflict, no walking on eggshells. Marriage of his parents would not have improved his situation.

Lurkingandlearning · 05/07/2026 00:27

I think your partner has raised two very important issues that are instantly overcome by marriage. A wife is automatically next of kin from a medical point of view and for probate if there is no Will (I think).

A thoughtfully written Will would resolve his concerns about what would happen upon his death in so far as what would go to his son and what you would receive. But I think he would need to establish that even if you were married. I also think it would be sensible to ensure his ex / son's mother was made aware of the content of his Will from the outset so there were no surprises and nothing to contest.

In my experience naming a next of kin for medical purposes isn't always so cut and dried. I have known a patient's nominated next of kin to be ignored and staff stick to the legal definition of next of kin. As wrong as I think that is, I can see why they don't want to get involved with personal choices especially if family dispute who next of kin should be. On the other hand I have also known medical staff keep a partner informed against the family's wishes although decisions firmly remained with the official next of kin. Being married would definitely avoid any of that. And that clarity at such an emotional time shouldn't be underestimated.

I am older than you and know when I was your age I would have staunchly stuck by my views on marriage and decision not to marry. Now I'm not so sure. I think it is my experience of the difficulties regarding medical next of kin that would sway it for me. Perhaps having your partner's GP fully supportive of your position as next of kin would help. But even that could change if his GP moved on.

Having written the last paragraph I can see how it could be taken as me saying I am older and wiser. I don't mean it that way - I really am unsure. I just think had I known what I know now when I was younger I might have been more pragmatic about marriage. I might have grasped the legal security it brings while staunchly preserving my expectations of marriage being an equal partnership. Perhaps you and your partner could uphold that better than the couples you have observed who have allowed their relationships drift into that somewhat stereotypical patriarchal imbalance. You may not have first hand knowledge of couples who avoid that but many do. From what you have said, I think you are more than able to. Do you believe your partner is? If you do then maybe the two of you can have the benefits of marriage and maintain the lifestyle you want. I guess I am just suggesting that you don't completely dismiss the benefits based on principles that might not apply to your individual situation.

TheFastOrca · 05/07/2026 08:07

Kallos · 04/07/2026 20:39

Because what you describe… all these
people applying such overwhelming pressure that you “cracked” and divorced your husband? Surely you see that isn’t remotely normal. If your family is that forceful then it’s abusive and you should have nothing to do with them!!

You can’t be young… and yet you seem so bothered by what others think

You’re right. I guess my ex-husband didn’t see it as dramatic at the time, and neither did I.

He always said he just wanted me to be happy. We had a great relationship and friendship, we’d been together since we were 16. We basically grew up together. Young love doesn’t always last, but I’m really grateful I got to experience it for so long. He’ll always have an important place in my life.
Looking back, I realised I got married for the wrong reasons, and I was still quite young. These days, I think I’d rather have a lifelong partner than focus on marriage itself. I’ve met a wonderful man with a wonderful son, and over the last five years I’ve built a really close bond with him. We’ll just have to see where our relationship goes.

I’m also glad he already has a child because it takes the pressure off me. Most men I met whilst dating seemed to want children/more certain they want children, whereas I’ve always been a bit undecided about it.

My partner had a cancer scare not too long ago, and I think that brought a lot of these thoughts about marriage to the surface. It’s probably also made me pay too much attention to other people’s marriages, when really it’s none of my business! Haha.

And yes you’re right, I do care what people think. Sadly, I’m not immune to that.

OP posts:
Happytaytos · 05/07/2026 08:13

Do you think you'd have split up with your first husband anyway even without being married? It sounds like you'd have split up anyway because no one breaks up "because of the pressure from other people of being married". You'd have fallen out of love anyway.

LaurieFairyCake · 05/07/2026 08:18

Don’t have kids, an awful lot of marriages end like the OP describes.

the clue in your relationship is I bet the EX does all the kid stuff, the stuff you talk about. Even if it’s genuinely 50/50 you get more time for yourself if you’re a part time parent obviously.

MagpiePi · 05/07/2026 08:28

I’m very much in the ‘can’t see the point of marriage’ camp. I’ve always felt that if I’m in a relationship we are both in it because we want to be, not because a piece of paper, and all the hassle and expense of a divorce, says we should be. I also know I would hate any kind of wedding ceremony.

Would a civil partnership be a solution just to get the legal side of things in place? You wouldn’t need to make a fuss and have celebrations or anything, just treat it as a contract between the two of you in the same way you would think of say signing up to a mortgage together.

PPs are right that children make the biggest impact on a relationship.

WhisperingHi · 05/07/2026 08:42

I’m not convinced it’s the marriage that creates a divide in workload (and I agree it’s VERY common for women to pick up a disproportionate load).

I think it’s the kids. I’m in a 20yr relationship with 3 kids. Partner has always been a good man but since having kids, my instincts on looking after them and the family and home have increased whilst he has stayed pretty much similar to before kids.

So I’m “lucky” that he cleans and is active around the house and with the kids, but I’m still the main care givers despite working a stressful job too. I also do all school admin, clubs booking, parties, gifts, arrange family socialising etc.

Im very pro equality but after multiple discussions, he just doesn’t see the above work. He wouldn’t blame me if I didn’t do it, but then it just wouldn’t get done and I can’t live like that.

Could I leave him? Of course, but I have responsibilities. 3 children who benefit from living with their dad, a lovely house that costs more than I can afford alone, and I love him.

He thinks we’re equal but I guarantee I work harder. Unfortunately we also live in a society where the divide is accepted.

I think your morals are valid but you’re not living in the real world. I’m not saying women should just accept it, but equally, unless you’re prepared to live alone (which I’m not, I don’t want to be bouncing around between relationships), you have to sometime accept how things are. That’s probably what your female relatives are doing. They’re trying to change the situation but in a way that’s manageable. I’m sure behind the scenes they argue for more equality, sadly they may have just settled, deciding that a unified family is worth more.

You don’t have kids so won’t really understand. When your love for your kids is so strong, it takes a lot to break the family up. Of course people due to abuse etc but an unequal split of chores isn’t usually a dealbreaker whilst the kids are young.

cloudtreecarpet · 05/07/2026 09:05

I have read all of your posts and can see the explanation of why your marriage ended but nothing about why his did.

This isn't his first rodeo, he has been married & has a child, presumably with his ex wife? Do you know why that ended and what their "married with a child" dynamic was?
That would give you clues as to how he would be if you married him and had children wouldn't it?
Was he a hands on dad when his child was a baby? Was everything shared 50/50 or did he still cycle for umpteen hours every weekend?

This is what I would be exploring and contemplating because, as pp have said, no one else's marriage set up matters, just your own.

Notellinganyone · 05/07/2026 09:12

I think that you are perfectly entitled to choose not to marry and it’s interesting that the men you meet can’t accept this. I think PPs are right about children being the big shift but it doesn’t have to be like that. My DH has always shared childcare- in fact as all three DC went to the school he teaches at he did all the morning/ packed lunch/ being first port of call for illness stuff for years. I’ve been married twice now and never changed my name- that was non negotiable for me.

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