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Dealing with an unclean man

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SofiaJessica4 · 07/09/2025 22:35

I'm a 39F and neurodivergent. I've been in a LDR with a guy in the U.S. for a year now (I'm in the U.K) who is a bit younger than me (33) and diagnosed autistic. He is high functioning, in that he has a complex professional job in software development, lives alone, etc.

We get on really well, have a lot of shared values, hes intelligent, kind and hardworking. Although I wouldn't normally be interested in a LDR, it's been OK so far especially as I can work remotely and travel.

I've just been out to see him for a month - my longest trip so far - and have had a rude awakening with his household management skills.

I'm posting this as I've not actually had to deal with this before as previous partners for the most part have been very competent - more than me, and I'm confused by it, and second guessing myself

He knows it's important to me that things are 50/50. I have a professional job, my own home, and I like a comfortable, clean environment. I would be the breadwinner if he moves out to be with me, which has been the plan so far. I don't expect him to be perfect, but I do have an idea of the 'average' cleaning a competent man will do if he intends to contribute.

He said he intended to make a big effort to ensure sure his place was in a good state when I came out, and tried to prepare for my visit.

When I arrive, I found things.... weren't great. I spent 45 mins cleaning his bathroom the day after I arrived as it hadn't been done properly - the bottom half of the toilet may not have been cleaned in a month, and was pretty gross, there was dust all over the shower, piles of dust in the corners of the bathroom, etc. He also had new black towels which had created black fluff all over the bathroom.

I told him it upset me, and he said he'd do better, but by the end of the trip I'd spent another few hours cleaning the rest of his house, mostly on my own, as he 'forgot'. The one time he did clean the bathroom in his apartment I had to re-do some of it as it hadn't been done properly. I was wfh in his place while he was out and I just wasn't comfortable in an unclean environment. It's surprised me, as my previous partners were mostly very competent, better able than me at doing stuff, made my life easier etc.

Another example - he used a fan every night that was literally black from being covered in dust. He cleaned that as I insisted.

I also cooked most of the time I was there as I don't trust his cooking. His food is great but he uses a lot of oil when cooking and doesn't make vegetables so it didn't feel healthy.

For his birthday I planned a big thing for him, during our trip to Mexico. On my birthday he got the logistics wrong for travel in his area so we ended up driving for literally 7 hours, with no free time to spend together. This guy was in the military for years, it blows my mind.

He only had one set of sheets, and 3 forks, and no decent pans. I bought him 2 new pans to cook with as the others were so old / gross.

When he visited me he cleaned the kitchen every night and put the bins out, did all the washing up without asking. It gave me the impression he was very capable.

Writing it all down upsets me. I feel like his mom.

I now feel if he moves to the UK to live with me that I'll either have to do everything, or micromanage him. He's said just teach him and he'll do what I say... but that is a lot with a 33 year old man. Yes I could get a cleaner as friends have said, but I also feel I have to carry the mental load - I can't trust him to organise a birthday party for example. Everyone finds him to be a really kind, lovely man, and he is. But this can't be normal? Should I be accepting this?

I don't believe you should expect anyone to change. It's hard to ascertain if it's a lack of knowledge or a lack of care. I know plenty of women have been through this, there's also the autism angle. I'm beyond frustrated!

OP posts:
TheAutumnalCrow · 07/09/2025 22:38

You have my heartfelt permission to break up with him, immediately.

Good luck. You will be fine independently.

ChaToilLeam · 07/09/2025 22:40

Do not burden yourself with an incompetent man. You'll end up hating him.

PurpleChrayn · 07/09/2025 22:42

Ew.

He sounds repulsive.

Get rid.

BellissimoGecko · 07/09/2025 22:42

Why couldn’t you trust him to organise a birthday party?

It’s hard to decide if you are just being too fussy or if he is really unhygienic.

Your comment about not being able to trust his cooking as he uses too much oil seems unfair.

CurrentHun · 07/09/2025 22:43

Don’t saddle yourself to this man in any way however nice he is in other areas. He’s showing you his best housekeeping and it’s unsanitary, You’ll be doing absolutely everything in a shared home just to keep up your own most very basic standards and being the breadwinner as well.

cestlavielife · 07/09/2025 22:45

You want a partner not a child.
It won't work.

PermanentTemporary · 07/09/2025 22:45

Sounds like it might be best to move to a friendship if that would interest you both, or just break up.

I’m 56 and I just don’t think I would bother with this sort of thing any more. Not in my home. In my relationship I am the disorganised/less clean one, but I’m actually pretty good - dp is just even better.

Bliss1985 · 07/09/2025 22:46

Ditch him, such hard work for a man to far away who can’t even keep his house clean.

LoafofSellotape · 07/09/2025 22:48

He won't change or he would've made an effort during the month you stayed with him. This is what he will be like forever, you either accept it and have a cleaner and never eat anything he cooks or you end it. I know what I'd do.

incognitomummy · 07/09/2025 22:55

He won’t change and will get worse. The beginning of a relationship should be the fun sparkly bit where each party makes an effort.

he failed the test.

End this now.
You will find another man who will make the effort.

Ilovelurchers · 07/09/2025 23:07

It surprises me that everyone is telling you he is in the wrong, as to me you sound frankly rather controlling. The fact that there is dust on a fan doesn't make him some kind of slattern. Nor does the fact that the new towels (he presumably got to impress you!) generated a bit of black fluff....

The fact that he is having to promise you to change, and that he will do exactly what you tell him, sets my alarm bells ringing - FOR HIM!

And all that housework he did when he came to visit you - I mean, I get helping out when you are a guest, but it all sounds a bit OTT and like he is almost scared to our a door wrong. And given how harshly you judge his efforts, I can fully empathise.

Seriously, if you love the man and want to be with him, stop being so extremely critical. If you don't, set him free so that he can find someone who will love him for the person he is......

If shares housework standards are your primary criteria for choosing a partner, then that's fair enough, each to their own. But you ought to intentionally date with that in mind,aoe it clear from the outset. So that nobody feels judged or gets disappointed.....

Sashya · 07/09/2025 23:07

@SofiaJessica4

I think you are being bit unfair and a bit unrealistic.
You two have different cleanliness standards. It is not unusual, and not something that a couple can't overcome - especially as he is clearly willing to learn/change.
(I also believe a person should not change their personality to be with another - but this is NOT personality. This is simply a habits and practicalities)

Since you mentioned that he was in the army - I am going to guess that he lived at least a large part of his adult life in some sort of army accommodation - where most of cleaning, etc - was done centrally. It is no wonder he is less used to be doing it now, living on his own.

Finally - I would say that I doubt any man out there is a ready-made perfect domestic partner for you, with exactly the same standards of cleanliness, etc/. If this is what you are expecting - it's unrealistic. Part of being in a relationship - especially as you move in together IS about learning to live together and adjusting to each other's expectations of how life works on a practical level. Cleaning standards is part of it. And - as I said - it is encouraging that he is willing to learn and work with you on that.

I'd not be ending a relationship because of the situation you described.

SunflowerLife · 07/09/2025 23:10

You in the UK, him in the US.. It's a non starter, not worth the bother of worrying about it.

TheAutumnalCrow · 07/09/2025 23:14

I mean, dirty bog, one set of sheets, doesn’t cook vegetables, took you on a 7 hour drive for your birthday because he got lost … and yet he claims to have been in the military for years??

If posters on here like the sound of that, maybe they should snap him up.

Ilovelurchers · 07/09/2025 23:14

Sorry for the typos. Should say he is scared to put a foot wrong.

And I just reread your OP, and I seriously can't understand why everyone is agreeing he is awful. Why on earth was he cleaning your kitchen every night while he was a guest in your home?

And why did you think it was remotely polite or acceptable to spend 45 minutes cleaning his bathroom on your arrival?

And is this honestly how everyone else in the whole lives except for me? I am honestly staggered that everyone else read your OP and thinks he is an awful fella.....

MsSmartShoes · 07/09/2025 23:20

Just end if.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 07/09/2025 23:22

This is a LDR and when you got to his house you ended up cleaning the toilet?! He should have had his house in pristine condition for your visit. You are not being unreasonable at all to be concerned about his hygiene standards. I’d be concerned if you were expecting a show home, but it sounds like he hasn’t even got the basics sorted. You had to buy new saucepans and he had no cutlery! You can do much better than this man. Put it down to experience and move on. Don’t let him move in with you. He’ll revert to type before you know it and you’ll be stuck with a cocklodger.

SofiaJessica4 · 07/09/2025 23:23

@Ilovelurchers he's not an awful guy by any means. When he visited, I cooked mostly and he did the cleaning up - washing up / wiping down counters. He also put the bins out without asking. So, he was a good guest. I wouldn't say he did more than the average guest, when I've had other people stay it's been similar.

When I visited, I was living there for a month. I didn't feel the bathroom was sanitary so I cleaned a few times. Now, the context is I had visited before he moved house, and his living situation was so bad I almost left, and so this was meant to be an improved situation. In terms of me cleaning his bathroom... well, I don't want to wash somewhere that's unsanitary or I don't feel comfortable. So it was that or leave?
IMO The guy isn't a bad guy but he isn't particularly clean, and he mostly should know better as he's lived alone before and is able to handle plenty of other practical things. That's fine, but my concern is if we live together I'll have to do everything, while also being the breadwinner. I don't want to do everything, so I've got an issue. Household management isn't my first criteria meeting a man, but I do expect him to make my life easier, not harder.

OP posts:
whoboo · 07/09/2025 23:28

You are just incompatible.

Violinist64 · 07/09/2025 23:28

SofiaJessica4 · 07/09/2025 23:23

@Ilovelurchers he's not an awful guy by any means. When he visited, I cooked mostly and he did the cleaning up - washing up / wiping down counters. He also put the bins out without asking. So, he was a good guest. I wouldn't say he did more than the average guest, when I've had other people stay it's been similar.

When I visited, I was living there for a month. I didn't feel the bathroom was sanitary so I cleaned a few times. Now, the context is I had visited before he moved house, and his living situation was so bad I almost left, and so this was meant to be an improved situation. In terms of me cleaning his bathroom... well, I don't want to wash somewhere that's unsanitary or I don't feel comfortable. So it was that or leave?
IMO The guy isn't a bad guy but he isn't particularly clean, and he mostly should know better as he's lived alone before and is able to handle plenty of other practical things. That's fine, but my concern is if we live together I'll have to do everything, while also being the breadwinner. I don't want to do everything, so I've got an issue. Household management isn't my first criteria meeting a man, but I do expect him to make my life easier, not harder.

Edited

I think you should read what you have just written and you will have your answers. You are weighing up the pros and cons already. This is not the basis of a long term relationship. He's a nice person but being a nice person on its own is not enough, sadly.

INeedAnotherName · 07/09/2025 23:32

Should I be accepting this?

No.
Hell no.
Absolutely fucking not.

Please invest some time doing The Freedom Programme before dating again as you seem to have zero boundaries or self worth. Oh, and some therapy to find out why you are even questioning yourself about this instead of walking out of his place after the second day.

LayeredlikeanOnion · 07/09/2025 23:47

Find someone in th UK

TheSandgroper · 08/09/2025 00:16

I’m married to an ex military. Based on this, think very carefully about whether he has told the truth because military people learn to clean properly before they learn anything else. And if he hasn’t told the truth about this, what else has he told you that’s a fantasy?

But, you don’t like what he has to offer. These early months are for finding out about each other. So, it’s time to gracefully withdraw.

TheAutumnalCrow · 08/09/2025 00:20

TheSandgroper · 08/09/2025 00:16

I’m married to an ex military. Based on this, think very carefully about whether he has told the truth because military people learn to clean properly before they learn anything else. And if he hasn’t told the truth about this, what else has he told you that’s a fantasy?

But, you don’t like what he has to offer. These early months are for finding out about each other. So, it’s time to gracefully withdraw.

Yes, I agree (see my comment earlier!) with you. There’s something fishy here.

LivingWithANob · 08/09/2025 07:10

An international cocklodger. Come op. This is disgusting- hes 33 fgs. If this micromanaging a grown adult where you eventually become his mum vs partner is what you would be happy with then go for it. You have been warned! 😆

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