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Dealing with an unclean man

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SofiaJessica4 · 07/09/2025 22:35

I'm a 39F and neurodivergent. I've been in a LDR with a guy in the U.S. for a year now (I'm in the U.K) who is a bit younger than me (33) and diagnosed autistic. He is high functioning, in that he has a complex professional job in software development, lives alone, etc.

We get on really well, have a lot of shared values, hes intelligent, kind and hardworking. Although I wouldn't normally be interested in a LDR, it's been OK so far especially as I can work remotely and travel.

I've just been out to see him for a month - my longest trip so far - and have had a rude awakening with his household management skills.

I'm posting this as I've not actually had to deal with this before as previous partners for the most part have been very competent - more than me, and I'm confused by it, and second guessing myself

He knows it's important to me that things are 50/50. I have a professional job, my own home, and I like a comfortable, clean environment. I would be the breadwinner if he moves out to be with me, which has been the plan so far. I don't expect him to be perfect, but I do have an idea of the 'average' cleaning a competent man will do if he intends to contribute.

He said he intended to make a big effort to ensure sure his place was in a good state when I came out, and tried to prepare for my visit.

When I arrive, I found things.... weren't great. I spent 45 mins cleaning his bathroom the day after I arrived as it hadn't been done properly - the bottom half of the toilet may not have been cleaned in a month, and was pretty gross, there was dust all over the shower, piles of dust in the corners of the bathroom, etc. He also had new black towels which had created black fluff all over the bathroom.

I told him it upset me, and he said he'd do better, but by the end of the trip I'd spent another few hours cleaning the rest of his house, mostly on my own, as he 'forgot'. The one time he did clean the bathroom in his apartment I had to re-do some of it as it hadn't been done properly. I was wfh in his place while he was out and I just wasn't comfortable in an unclean environment. It's surprised me, as my previous partners were mostly very competent, better able than me at doing stuff, made my life easier etc.

Another example - he used a fan every night that was literally black from being covered in dust. He cleaned that as I insisted.

I also cooked most of the time I was there as I don't trust his cooking. His food is great but he uses a lot of oil when cooking and doesn't make vegetables so it didn't feel healthy.

For his birthday I planned a big thing for him, during our trip to Mexico. On my birthday he got the logistics wrong for travel in his area so we ended up driving for literally 7 hours, with no free time to spend together. This guy was in the military for years, it blows my mind.

He only had one set of sheets, and 3 forks, and no decent pans. I bought him 2 new pans to cook with as the others were so old / gross.

When he visited me he cleaned the kitchen every night and put the bins out, did all the washing up without asking. It gave me the impression he was very capable.

Writing it all down upsets me. I feel like his mom.

I now feel if he moves to the UK to live with me that I'll either have to do everything, or micromanage him. He's said just teach him and he'll do what I say... but that is a lot with a 33 year old man. Yes I could get a cleaner as friends have said, but I also feel I have to carry the mental load - I can't trust him to organise a birthday party for example. Everyone finds him to be a really kind, lovely man, and he is. But this can't be normal? Should I be accepting this?

I don't believe you should expect anyone to change. It's hard to ascertain if it's a lack of knowledge or a lack of care. I know plenty of women have been through this, there's also the autism angle. I'm beyond frustrated!

OP posts:
tumblingdowntherabbithole · 08/09/2025 07:29

What’s the point of this relationship? You live on opposite sides of the world and he’s a pig who can’t clean his toilet or buy new pots and pans.

CommissarySushi · 08/09/2025 07:43

TheSandgroper · 08/09/2025 00:16

I’m married to an ex military. Based on this, think very carefully about whether he has told the truth because military people learn to clean properly before they learn anything else. And if he hasn’t told the truth about this, what else has he told you that’s a fantasy?

But, you don’t like what he has to offer. These early months are for finding out about each other. So, it’s time to gracefully withdraw.

I'm married to a current military man, and I've found that army clean and my definition of clean are still quite different lol.

I can imagine standards can slip a lot, when you get out and, suddenly, there's no one inspecting your cleaning anymore.

Having said that, they don't sound compatible at all. I would end it.

SweetPenelope · 08/09/2025 07:45

It's a LDR and you're incompatible. This relationship doesn't sound like it has any future.

Motnight · 08/09/2025 07:49

whoboo · 07/09/2025 23:28

You are just incompatible.

This!

EeveePeevee · 08/09/2025 07:50

When my husband lived on his own his flat was seriously gross.

Now we live together he is the main cleaner and forever has a hoover in his hand.

He is autistic too.

SofiaJessica4 · 08/09/2025 08:35

@EeveePeevee what lead to the change when you lived together?

OP posts:
ChristmasFluff · 08/09/2025 08:48

Please don't pin all your hopes on one message of a slob reformed.

The problem here is really how to break up with him, not how to maintain the relationship given his uncleanliness. Do you want that month repeating endlessly for the rest of your life? Because we get what we accept, and continuing this relationship means you are accepting that.

Dweetfidilove · 08/09/2025 11:21

Oh Lord Jesus 🤦🏾‍♀️.

He sounds positively grim and you sound entirely desperate. Why would you important a gross, international cocklodger? You were cleaning on your first day and throughout your visit, yet you want to take him home ?

Chickenpoxworry · 08/09/2025 11:28

This is how he lives and is ok with it , you are not. You'll either have a miserable time doing everything or he will have a miserable time because he doesn't do things your way.
Either way you'll both be unhappy.

IsawwhatIsaw · 08/09/2025 11:34

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 08/09/2025 07:29

What’s the point of this relationship? You live on opposite sides of the world and he’s a pig who can’t clean his toilet or buy new pots and pans.

This pretty well sums it up.
Sounds like you’ll get nothing positive from this, so unless you enjoy doing everything domestic for someone who can’t/ won’t be bothered, end it now.

CurrentHun · 08/09/2025 11:45

OP I don’t think you’ve mentioned kids so apologies if I missed it.

If you don’t have kids yet though, you might not see this yet -but you will once it happens- if you are mothering kids most of us do not have the capacity to also mother useless grown ups.

The dirt and mess will make you resent him and is extremely unsexy in a partner. Dont accept the future cleaning and wage earning for the whole adult household. There’s no reason to! The guy doesn’t even cook but he took out the bins? That’s nothing.

Badbadbunny · 08/09/2025 11:48

Whatever the rights and wrongs, you're clearly not compatible so best to break up before you go any further.

Strawbaler · 08/09/2025 12:37

Sadly, guys in the military often don’t learn basic domestic skills and admin skills, as so much of that is done for them.

In many ways they are prevented from growing up

FeetLikeFlippers · 08/09/2025 18:08

I’m ND and this would be an absolute deal breaker for me! This guy’s domestic habits are obviously down to his autism but he’s old enough to know that and to try to change his routine if he really wants to. If he’s not prepared to try, then he can’t really expect anyone to put up with living him. I’m in a constant mental battle with my OCD wanting everything to be orderly versus my depression going “oh what’s the point” or “I’ll do it tomorrow” but I’m aware of this and have managed to adapt my routines so things don’t get too bad. I also choose to live alone because I struggle with having other people in my space - and wouldn’t expect anyone else to put up with my own weird habits either!

Kelamo · 08/09/2025 18:16

Nooooo, don’t do it. You will end up feeling like you have to stay with him because he’s moved to be with you. Sounds like a man child. There will be no teaching him. If he can’t out the effort in at the beginning, he will only become more complacent as time goes on.

Kelamo · 08/09/2025 18:18

CurrentHun · 08/09/2025 11:45

OP I don’t think you’ve mentioned kids so apologies if I missed it.

If you don’t have kids yet though, you might not see this yet -but you will once it happens- if you are mothering kids most of us do not have the capacity to also mother useless grown ups.

The dirt and mess will make you resent him and is extremely unsexy in a partner. Dont accept the future cleaning and wage earning for the whole adult household. There’s no reason to! The guy doesn’t even cook but he took out the bins? That’s nothing.

This!

disturbia · 08/09/2025 18:27

Do you love him for himself or just how domesticated he is? He will probably be fine when living with you.

Wolfiefan · 08/09/2025 18:27

You aren’t compatible.
Do NOT let this man move over to the UK and move into your house. You hardly know him.

Vynalbob · 08/09/2025 18:40

I'm just wondering whether you're both atypical in how you approach things. Maybe your a little over tidy but I'm thinking he's the type that once he's set in his ways finds it difficult to change. This would answer him being in "guest mode" in the UK....yet not able to autonomously change when in "home mode".

I'm not saying it's impossible for him to change but I'd make your decision purely on whether you can live with the version of him now. I've never known a person 'fix' a partner's faults successfully, though I've known some who've tried for a long time.

simplesimoneatspie · 08/09/2025 18:46

Strawbaler · 08/09/2025 12:37

Sadly, guys in the military often don’t learn basic domestic skills and admin skills, as so much of that is done for them.

In many ways they are prevented from growing up

Not true.

disturbia · 08/09/2025 18:53

Do you love him for himself or is that dependant on how good he is at housework?

ladybirdsanchez · 08/09/2025 18:56

I'm really struggling to see what you get out of this relationship OP. This guy is going to move to the UK to be with you, but you'll be the breadwinner (you say he has a complex professional job so why will you be the breadwinner?) and he's a dirty slob, so you'll have to do all the cleaning. I'm sure you can find a nice, younger, autistic guy who's shit at housework in the UK. Why import one from the US, with all the complexities and costs that involves?

Aitchemarsey · 08/09/2025 18:58

Has he ever lived with a woman before? This sounds pretty standard for a bloke ten years younger, I wonder whether he's just not grown out of it due to not needing to as single (not that it's your responsibility to help him with that)

Bikergran · 08/09/2025 19:00

If you're both high earners......get cleaners in! I accept they may not clean to your exacting standards, you may have to try out a few until you're happy, but it will get the majority done. There is no law saying you have to do it all yourself.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/09/2025 19:03

I can’t see any future for this relationship, I’m afraid, @SofiaJessica4. If this man accepts that his standards of hygiene are unacceptable, there is no good reason why he can’t change them. There are plenty of resources out there, I am sure, to show him routines for keeping his house clean, what equipment and cleaning materials he’d need, and I’m sure there are even tutorials about how to clean properly.

He could have made some efforts to change during your visit - shown some willingness to self-motivate - the fact he didn’t, suggests to me that he would expect you to micromanage him and ‘teach’ him - but why should any adult need this? As I say, the resources are out there - all he has to do is look.