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New relationship ex problems!!

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electronicpiccalilli · 16/07/2025 23:20

This is potentially quite long but let’s see, want to give as much context and background as possible…

I’ve recently started seeing someone, it’s been a few months all is going well. I have one DS2 with no father involved. Been single since I was pregnant as obviously focused on my DS and wanted to make sure if I did start something in the future it was with somebody decent and have been very intolerant of any red flags or even any little thing. This is my first time dating since my DS. The person I’ve started seeing isn’t a stranger it’s someone I’ve known for a long time, 15+ years. Not a close friendship but think local area friends at one point but drift apart etc. He has been married for over a decade but going through divorce as his ex had an affair (actually two affairs but he forgave the first, second it was over). They live apart and properly separated just the legal stuff isn’t yet finalised but in process.

We see each other usually around once a week, sometimes a little more or less but that’s the average. I work full time and have my DS full time, he stays with his sister (on his dad’s side she’s in her 20s) one night a week. He has two DD, 5 and 4, he sees them every other weekend. He works away in the week most of the time and this has always been the case even when married, so now they have to split weekends. We have met each others children, not introduced as new partners and no kissing or pda of any kind around the children don’t want to confuse them. If we were strangers to each other then we wouldn’t have met each others children yet but we aren’t so no issue and they only see us as friends and enjoy playing together. I don’t see his children every time he has them maybe every other time so roughly once a month and usually only for one of the days. He has met mine more often just due to me having him full time.

Everything between him and ex seemed quite amicable until she found out I was on the scene. For context once he discovered affair she initiated divorce. Once she found out I was on the scene it has just been awful and chaotic and intense. She’s been begging him to take her back, stalking all my socials even down to LinkedIn and calling him to try and downplay my job etc etc. She has been making what is a new relationship just developing seem very intense and saying things to him like ‘our children have a new sibling you’re going to fall in love and marry her and she’s going to take all the money that’s coming to you from the divorce’. This is just constant all the time, emotional blackmail or manipulation into going on family days out or lunches all disguised as trying to keep things ‘normal’ for the children. Which I personally think will confuse them more but not up to me. And it’s also not done for that reason reading between the lines, it seems to be point scoring and any excuse to keep the lines of communication open. Even to the point of an anniversary lunch!

Now I’m quite a laidback person and I would really like them to be amicable enough to be able to do these things platonically and for the children going forwards but thqt just isn’t the case at the moment.

After the anniversary lunch I told him my feelings and explained that can’t be happening when we are trying to build something albeit in it’s early stages, he apologised and explained he’s trying to do the right thing for the children but feels like he keeps getting it wrong. The lunch ended with her begging him again and him declining. Then a whispered threat of ‘if we don’t get back together you can have the kids full time as I will no longer be here’ which is obviously awful.

The next thing is the kids aren’t allowed to be around me as I’m a ‘stranger’. I offered to meet her for a coffee but that was declined. He didn’t play by those rules as when they are with him he makes the decisions. As long as they are safe and looked after it’s not up to her.

Throughout all this she is not single and still seeing the man she cheated with! I don’t even think she is wants ex husband back it just seems to be a jealousy thing as he has never moved on or met someone new before.

The final thing has been last weekend we all camped out in my garden together, two bedroom tent kids in one us in the other. It was really hot so we thought it would be fun for them and also much cooler than indoors! She has found out and it’s ended in the eldest crying and saying she didn’t want to come here anyway and just wants daddy to come home. I feel this has come from her mum as they all had a blast on the day.

I just feel so awful for the children and I don’t know whqt to do?! On the one hand I don’t want to let her win and cause us to go separate ways just cause she’s making it so difficult but on the other hand I don’t want to contribute to the children being used to play games and getting upset, it’s not their fault.

I do also feel that he isn’t standing his ground and setting boundaries as much as he should be doing. It hasn’t been long enough for me to get involved and tell him what to do or navigate this for him. He is a good guy navigating a situation he never thought he would have to and he’s making a lot of mistakes. He seems to have done the least and gone along with her to try and keep the peace and it’s ended up not working at all. She is constantly calling and texting him. He feels totally overwhelmed/stressed/guilty and the rest. I personally think he needs to stand up for himself and be more assertive, set boundaries and limit communication unless it’s necessary about the children, at least until they get to a place where they can be amicable and co-parent together properly.

My issue is - I really like him, think we have a potential of a good future however that looks. We are very compatible and tick all each others boxes, get on very easily he’s very open and honest etc etc. but I feel this situation has made things intense for us very quickly and made us deal with things we shouldn’t really have to be worrying about just yet. If he doesn’t step up properly and deal with the situation with his ex is that a sign of things to come? Should I have some more patience? I know what I would do in his shoes and what I’d like him to do but it’s not my decision and it’s not for me to push my opinions on him or tell him what to do, it’s much too early for me to lay the law down so aggressively. But if I don’t is it going to end badly cause of her? Or cause of him not dealing with it effectively? I have sympathy and know these things are hard but it’s my life too…. Any advice?!

OP posts:
charabang · 19/07/2025 20:34

I agree that posting on your socials is just stirring the pot. It's feeding the drama and as evidenced this morning just making things worse for your 'partner' Stop poking the bear.

electronicpiccalilli · 23/07/2025 19:40

charabang · 19/07/2025 20:34

I agree that posting on your socials is just stirring the pot. It's feeding the drama and as evidenced this morning just making things worse for your 'partner' Stop poking the bear.

I didn’t do it to stir the pot I don’t have her on anything never met her. We’re not doing anything wrong and keeping it a secret 🤷‍♀️ this isn’t an unknown situation it’s well known what’s happened between them with family/friends. I asked his permission first too

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electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 20:43

Well after all that he has ended it with me. He says he is all over the place mentally and he feels lost. He’s really sorry for messing with my emotions but he clearly isn’t ready for this and it would be best to stop it now. He hopes we can still be friends as I am a wonderful person inside and out who deserves a lot more than he is able to give right now. Really apologetic etc etc. I feel like a fool. Genuinely felt right with him and like it was on the right track until the drama started which now looking back was the beginning of the end. Not cause of her but how he dealt with it. I get the impression his ex has managed their lives for the last 15 years and he’s just done as he’s told and followed instructions and now he’s on his own he’s like a brand new baby. And to be fair I don’t want a future with someone who can’t take control of their own life. He should have taken a lot more time on his own before trying to move on with anyone else. So most of you were right. Just stings as he was the first person I had let in and given a chance to since my son was born. I was happy single and I think I’ll stay that way for a while

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Mumptynumpty · 06/08/2025 21:05

I've just seen your update so edited.

stayathomer · 06/08/2025 21:28

Op I’m so sorry. The one thing will say is it isn’t really because of how he dealt with it, not many people could have handled all of that. In your earlier post you said something like he said he kept getting it all wrong, and my heart went out to him. It was all just impossible. Don’t feel like a fool, you both tried x

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 21:32

Genuinely felt right with him and like it was on the right track until the drama started which now looking back was the beginning of the end. Not cause of her but how he dealt with it

I wouldn’t jeopardise seeing my children for anyone, what to speak of a woman I’d been dating for a few months.

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 21:37

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 21:32

Genuinely felt right with him and like it was on the right track until the drama started which now looking back was the beginning of the end. Not cause of her but how he dealt with it

I wouldn’t jeopardise seeing my children for anyone, what to speak of a woman I’d been dating for a few months.

Sorry what do you mean? Why was he jeopardising seeing his children?

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electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 21:39

stayathomer · 06/08/2025 21:28

Op I’m so sorry. The one thing will say is it isn’t really because of how he dealt with it, not many people could have handled all of that. In your earlier post you said something like he said he kept getting it all wrong, and my heart went out to him. It was all just impossible. Don’t feel like a fool, you both tried x

Yes maybe you’re right. An impossible situation and bad timing. But he could have handled it all a lot better. He knew what a big deal it was for me. I don’t think he came into it with malicious intentions but it doesn’t change the outcome x

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 21:51

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 21:37

Sorry what do you mean? Why was he jeopardising seeing his children?

she’s saying things to the little ones that are making them cry and say they don’t to come to mine

Things like this. She is/was obviously not okay with it all and things that start like this normally end with the dad not able to see the kids, or the kids having poison dripped in their ears and refusing to see dad.

So as a parent, I would not entertain a relationship with this level of difficulty.

MCF86 · 06/08/2025 21:58

electronicpiccalilli · 17/07/2025 01:33

I’m actually really surprised at how negative the responses have been. It seems to all have been about him despite the not nice behaviour from the other party, which is the the only reasons we seem to be at this crossroad. She has actively caused trouble, allowed her children to hear her thoughts and opinions and therefore want to please her (obviously they love their mum) seemingly just to get her own way despite already being in another relationship. He hasn’t done anything wrong and it’s all anyone has focused on. That we are in the wrong and we just have to deal with this horrible behaviour. Would you all say this if it was the man who had affairs then did this afterwards? I’m not saying I’m perfect or dealt with the situation exactly as I should have but come on. She’s threatened suicide if he doesn’t go back! It’s got that bad. And now nothing has worked the young kids have to hear her saying how they shouldn’t be here and how mad she is, till they cry and say they didn’t want to anyway. Nobody should have to put up with that cause they’ve moved on. The focus has been on the kids meeting and us apparently rushing. Which if I have I’m happy to hear what I could have done differently. The kids things yeah I agree in any other circumstance but already know and trust each other.

But it doesn't matter that you two know and trust each other. It's still too early for them to meet "daddys friend" regularly and have to share a quarter of the time they get to be with him. (how many friends does he share a room with while they all sleepover though?).
Because it's so early, anything could happen that means that just abruptly stops (like, I dunno, a dramatic ex) as suddenly as it started. So neither of you have put their best interests first here. They've just had to be involved so you can see each other more than once a fortnight. Neither of you can be held accountable for the ex wife's behaviour, only your/his own. And that's what's happening in the thread.

MCF86 · 06/08/2025 22:04

Apologies, didn't get to your last updates or realise it was an older thread.
I'm sorry you're hurting but it sounds like the best option.

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:08

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 21:51

she’s saying things to the little ones that are making them cry and say they don’t to come to mine

Things like this. She is/was obviously not okay with it all and things that start like this normally end with the dad not able to see the kids, or the kids having poison dripped in their ears and refusing to see dad.

So as a parent, I would not entertain a relationship with this level of difficulty.

After that kind of drama started I stepped away and wasn’t around when the kids were there as I didn’t want to contribute to that sort of damage. Doesn’t make it right though

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electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:10

MCF86 · 06/08/2025 21:58

But it doesn't matter that you two know and trust each other. It's still too early for them to meet "daddys friend" regularly and have to share a quarter of the time they get to be with him. (how many friends does he share a room with while they all sleepover though?).
Because it's so early, anything could happen that means that just abruptly stops (like, I dunno, a dramatic ex) as suddenly as it started. So neither of you have put their best interests first here. They've just had to be involved so you can see each other more than once a fortnight. Neither of you can be held accountable for the ex wife's behaviour, only your/his own. And that's what's happening in the thread.

It was never like that. When we initially started meeting it was as friends doing stuff with the kids and it progressed from there. So it didn’t seem like a big deal. But it’s done now anyway

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:15

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:08

After that kind of drama started I stepped away and wasn’t around when the kids were there as I didn’t want to contribute to that sort of damage. Doesn’t make it right though

But you were still there, in his life, and his ex didn’t like it, and had the power over what she said to the kids. If she wanted, she could have seriously damaged his relationship with his children forever. If I was a man I would not take that risk until the children were much older and more mature.

Honestly, would you take that risk with your son? Honestly?

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:28

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:15

But you were still there, in his life, and his ex didn’t like it, and had the power over what she said to the kids. If she wanted, she could have seriously damaged his relationship with his children forever. If I was a man I would not take that risk until the children were much older and more mature.

Honestly, would you take that risk with your son? Honestly?

So what’s the solution to that? He just can never move on cause his ex doesn’t like it? And controls that by weaponising the children? That surely is not ok?

I wouldn’t allow that with my son no but not in the way you’re suggesting

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:33

Well there are risks with how you can manipulate a 4 and 5 year old in a way that you can’t manipulate older children. That’s obvious isn’t it?

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:36

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:33

Well there are risks with how you can manipulate a 4 and 5 year old in a way that you can’t manipulate older children. That’s obvious isn’t it?

You’re basically saying cause of how she’s behaving he can never move and just has to let her control the narrative cause she’s weaponising the kids

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:38

I wouldn’t allow that with my son no but not in the way you’re suggesting

If your son lived with his dad and you saw him once a fortnight and his dad was suggesting that your access to him might be difficult because of your new boyfriend and your ex (the boy’s dad) was already manipulating him and telling him how to feel and you felt that you might have to choose between your son who you only see once a fortnight and a boyfriend of two months, I am sure you’d choose your son.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/08/2025 22:38

electronicpiccalilli · 06/08/2025 22:36

You’re basically saying cause of how she’s behaving he can never move and just has to let her control the narrative cause she’s weaponising the kids

I give up.

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