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I have been a fool - what do I do now?

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DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 15:50

I’ll try not to let this get to long. Readers try not to facepalm too much whilst reading it. What an idiot I have been.

I met my husband in my early 20s. Whirlwind romance, deeply in love, married within a year.
This meant me moving to his country as he works in and was set to inherit the family business.
His parents were very strange from the start, abusive and incredibly unwelcoming. We lived in a mobile home in their garden temporarily. This turned into 5 years and two children later.
His father said H could have a derelict cottage he owned if H paid to renovate it. It was just a ruined shell. We jumped at the chance to get out of the mobile home. H had always refused to rent somewhere instead of the mobile home - it was cheap, near to his parents and work, etc etc. It was horrendous to live in. Damp, no proper bed, crawling with spiders. It was miserable, especially through pregnancies and with babies and toddlers.

Living in his country was awful. I didn’t speak the language, and the locals hate the English. When I did go to classes to try learn the language, they would just answer me in English anyway so I gave up.
I tried SO hard to integrate and so hard with his parents. They were vile to me. I won’t go into all of that.

After the first year H started to work away more, setting up his own branch of the business and often being away for weeks at a time. I would see no one but the children. He wouldn’t discuss moving - ‘the cottage will be done soon’ ‘we can’t afford it’ ‘my dad will disown me.’

Anyway by year 5 the cottage was complete. Cost us about £180k and beautiful, but FIL promised H it would be ours. Only he never actually changed the deeds. I knew he never intended to but H would get very angry when I suggested this.

By year 8/9 I was thoroughly miserable. I lived next to absolutely vile in laws, I had no real friends, I only saw the children really. I decided to retrain and gave H an ultimatum. I needed the means to go to university, or I was out. He agreed to us hiring a nanny to cover me doing a full time course. He offered no further help or support. Due to the extreme remote location, retraining was hard and long hours, but I did it. I got a first and got my dream job.

One year in to my degree he had an affair. He claims he didn’t, only hugged her and just felt sorry for her. But I found the messages he’d sent telling her he loved her etc.
He was so sorry, so regretful, so contrite. Promised to cut all contact and that he loved me. Then a week later was still texting her. I should have left then but I didn’t.

I had a breakdown last year. It was all too much, the whole situation, the relentless years bringing up all the kids alone, living next to his family who systematically bullied me. I took 3 months off work and had extensive counselling. H was no support at all. He said nice things. But refused to take even one afternoon off work, even when I was feeling close to suicidal and couldn’t get out of bed. Just left me with the kids. It was awful for them. I couldn’t even look after myself.

My amazing counsellor and friends from my new job got me through. Not him. I realised I needed to move back to England.

I told him this and he said he’d move to further away from his parents but not move country. It was a start. We went to look at houses and even offered on one, but he maintained throughout that he hoped they would refuse it as he didn’t want to live there anyway. Kept saying he would move, then rejected every house.

I said I was moving back to England. Started looking for a house. Then through a friend we were offered the most amazing house and business premises for H. In the place I grew up, with all my old friends.

We took it. Life for me has improved dramatically. But I have realised that he is just turning into his father over again. His father moved into our cottage when we left and refused to pay H a penny. So we lost near on £200k. He has tried to poison H against me. H listens to him.

H is obviously carrying a lot of trauma from the situation (he has indeed been disowned for moving) and from his abusive childhood.
He is unable to be a caring husband or father. He cannot understand even the simplest emotions. He seems emotionally dead, and says he feels it. I have suggested counselling but he won’t do it.

I am just exhausted. I have wasted 15 years of my life and for nothing. I don’t think he ever did care.

Well done if you got this far. Thank you.

OP posts:
Crunchymum · 16/07/2025 15:53

So you are back in England now?

What nationality are your DC, so they have UK passports?

Maybe now is the time to look at divorce?

Sauvin · 16/07/2025 15:56

You build yourself a life. You have two beautiful children, a house, a job and your friends nearby. Don’t dwell on what’s been, you can’t change it now. Look ahead!

DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 15:57

Back in England now.

I don’t think I can get a divorce as that would give his parents a route to see the children. I can’t allow those abusive people to have a part in their lives.

He is Irish. The DC are British they were born in Britain.

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shivermetimbers77 · 16/07/2025 15:58

I don’t think you’ve been a fool OP, you have had an incredibly hard time.. Sounds like you’ve given the relationship all you have and tried your best. It’s very positive that you retrained and are back in the UK as now you have a shot at independence if you do decide to split with your husband. . Any chance you two could try couple therapy or would he not go for that?

DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 15:59

Our home is tied to his work. It’s all just such a mess and I’m just so tired.

If I could wave a magic wand and it was just me and the kids and him happy somewhere else, I would. But I can’t.

I wonder if we can just life separate lives. If I stop trying to please him constantly that will be a weight off me. I don’t care if he sees other people as long as he is discreet and doesn’t humiliate me. I just have no energy to fight any more.

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DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 16:05

I think couples therapy might be good. But honestly, the fault is mostly on his side. The therapist would tell him this and he would get angry and defensive and say we were ganging up on him.

Recent example - he recently bought 4 spaniel puppies from a friend with the idea of training them as gundogs and selling them. He likes dogs. We already had two dogs each, so now there are 8 dogs. He keeps working away/early/late so has just assumed that I will care for all these puppies. The things have taken over my life, he hasn’t trained them at all, they are unruly and destroy the place. They are living outside but invade my garden and destroy it, they escape, they shit everywhere, and I have to walk them twice a day and I absolutely hate it.
When I pretty calmly said this, that it was unreasonable and that I do not have capacity to raise 4 puppies, he gets angry and defensive and shoots stupid insults like why did I have my own dogs if I hate them so much, fine then he’ll just get rid of ALL THE PETS etc etc.

I mean, to me he is definitely BU there and I think a counsellor would agree. But he’d just feel hunted.

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Muffinmam · 16/07/2025 16:09

DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 15:59

Our home is tied to his work. It’s all just such a mess and I’m just so tired.

If I could wave a magic wand and it was just me and the kids and him happy somewhere else, I would. But I can’t.

I wonder if we can just life separate lives. If I stop trying to please him constantly that will be a weight off me. I don’t care if he sees other people as long as he is discreet and doesn’t humiliate me. I just have no energy to fight any more.

He sounds like an absolute nightmare.

FloydsMummy · 16/07/2025 16:11

Sounds to me you are scared of him.
Get that bully told that if he doesn't react in a nice manner then you want him out.

toottoot3 · 16/07/2025 16:15

Agree with him, get rid of the puppies,agree every time he makes a wild claim of what he will do, hold him accountable. Your life sounds awful, I'm sorry.
He's telling you he's either not able or willing to change the situation (therapy/meds) so he's being honest, you just wish he will change, he's telling you he can't/won't. It's down to you to make a decision how your life is to go now, change isn't going to come from him

FrenchandSaunders · 16/07/2025 16:21

I‘n confused by the language issue if it’s Ireland.

Divorce him OP, he sound horrible.

DramaAlpaca · 16/07/2025 16:24

I'm also confused by the language issue. Everyone in Ireland speaks English, there's no need to learn the Irish language unless you want to.

Aside from that, your husband sounds awful.

Momstermash94 · 16/07/2025 16:25

Was it Ireland you were all living in during that time? The vast majority of Ireland speaks English as the primary language other than a small area. I am surprised you needed to learn the language. You sound incredibly unhappy OP, lots of Irish men seem to be incredibly codependent on their families and there is a culture in some small villages and towns in Ireland where the family never leave, they just get neighbouring houses and keep expanding living their small town lifestyle where everything always stays the same and staying in the same place. It sounds like his family was like this. You need to get away from him and he sounds incredibly controlling. Have you got family in England that are a support to you now that you have moved back home?

DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 16:27

Language issue - remote community.

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YourOnMute · 16/07/2025 16:27

Irish is spoken in some parts of Ireland. It's the language.
I don't think you've been a fool at all. Your husband sounds like a knob of the highest order.
As posted already, you have children and a career, well done.
Are you in England now?
Grandparents do not have rights to see the children upon divorce in Ireland; they have no access rights.
Also your children are probably now of an age when they decide themselves who they see.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 16/07/2025 16:28

You mean you can’t divorce him cos he’d move home and have visiting rights for the kids?

He can probably take them home for holidays anyway, so I’d get some legal advice on that, as a clean divorce would be best - but if it genuinely puts you at a disadvantage then yes, just lead separate lives until the kids are older, then divorce.

See a lawyer, make a plan including a finance plan.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 16/07/2025 16:30

DramaAlpaca · 16/07/2025 16:24

I'm also confused by the language issue. Everyone in Ireland speaks English, there's no need to learn the Irish language unless you want to.

Aside from that, your husband sounds awful.

If you’re in an Irish speaking area and want to fit into the community, then you would need to learn it. agree it was a bit misleading of the OP not to clarify this - but it’s not the primary point of her post.

DoublePoppy · 16/07/2025 16:30

I also didn’t think the language would be such an issue before I moved.

H isn’t awful. Everyone likes him. He had a kind nature. But he is the product of an extremely fucked up family and I was naive about how much that would impact his own relationships.

He had huge issues with feelings for example, because he was never allowed to have them. It impacts on a lot.

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toottoot3 · 16/07/2025 16:37

I'm sure you H isn't awful, all the time but his trauma is and until he decides to deal with it, it's going to effect you terribly

YourOnMute · 16/07/2025 16:49

From what you've written he does sounds awful to me.
He's a grown adult. However he constantly prioritised his parents over his own family. His wife and children should be uppermost in his life.
He ignored his family's needs.
He had an affair.
He didn't support you.
He's unable to be a caring father.
He could get angry and defensive. He could work on dealing with his feelings.
He obviously sees you as his "servant" who's going to look after his dogs. This smacks of disrespect to you.
What would you say to someone in this situation?
If you are in England, can you not stay where you are?

Glowingup · 16/07/2025 16:54

How were the kids born in Britain when you were living with him and his parents in Ireland at the time? Did you go back over for the births? Are they not also Irish nationality if you are married to their dad?

Pallisers · 16/07/2025 17:08

Every community in Ireland speaks english.

VeryStressedMum · 16/07/2025 17:08

Were the dc born in Northern Ireland?

I think, as much as you can, you have to concentrate on your life and realise that he can't give you what you need. If you can't or won't divorce him, then concentrate on your self. Get therapy for yourself not for him or as a couple.

DoNoTakeNo · 16/07/2025 17:19

Pallisers · 16/07/2025 17:08

Every community in Ireland speaks english.

If the OP says that this particular small community doesn’t, then despite it being very unusual, I think we should just believe her.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 16/07/2025 17:21

I don't understand. If they're Irish, what language were they speaking?

It seems as though it has been horrible le for you.

YourOnMute · 16/07/2025 17:21

It's not that unusual. In some parts of Ireland, Irish IS the community language.
People can speak English but it's an Irish speaking area. Hope that helps.

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